How long does Phase 1A vaccinations take?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I am stunned to see the push back on a COVID vaccine advertising campaign.

Do educated people really not understand why there is a slice of the population who mis trusts vaccines? This is not a new phenomenon. There were anti vaxers prior to covid.

Heck there are people in DC who REFUSE to vaccinate their kids against HPV. The City Counsel had to ram a dictatorial policy where they can talk to your kids about HPV vaccination because parents aren't.

There needs to be an advertising campaign to answer any number of great vaccination questions. We see them EVERY day on DCUM.

Do I need to keep wearing my mask one I get the vaccine?
Can I start traveling once I get the vaccine?
Will the vaccine last for life?
Is this like the flu shot and I need to get re shot in the fall?

There are 100 questions that should be answered in a public fashion.

It is even scarier that people on this board cannot acknowledge that and can only think to their individual needs of "I need to see my elderly parents and I understand the problem'.

people should be rightly pissed if they can’t get vaccinated because doses are being witheld pending a public health advertising campaign.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are no vaccination points for Ward 3 residents. That is an intentional hurdle the city has put in place for Ward 3 elderly. Rather than put in mechanisms to support seniors in other Wards, they decided the easiest way to 'even out' their numbers is to put in as many hurdles as possible for seniors (and later other residents) in Ward 3. All while not using the current vaccine supply they have.

Is this grounds for a lawsuit?

given that ward 3 managed to get vaccinated at 20X/rate of Ward 8, I don’t think the lack of a site in Ward 3 alone can be a ground for action. But if there is express discrimination based on race - maybe. there’s a role for non-race-based affirmative action here but it will be muddled by the overly woke who on the one hand want to correct racial disparities, but don’t want to do any of the hard work to actually make the vaccine accessible to all.

I am not sure why the rate that people manage to get vaccinated would pertain, if there is discriminatory practice in place--is it not still discrimination?

I have also seen folks posting on the Ward 3 list serves that they do not have cars and are finding securing passage to distant sites challenging. They are essentially being charged a travel tax for a free vaccine.

Last, since DC has vaccines in freezers, opening sites in more locations would be the right thing to do,

This is bad management of vaccine delivery, but I am curious if it is also breaking any laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are no vaccination points for Ward 3 residents. That is an intentional hurdle the city has put in place for Ward 3 elderly. Rather than put in mechanisms to support seniors in other Wards, they decided the easiest way to 'even out' their numbers is to put in as many hurdles as possible for seniors (and later other residents) in Ward 3. All while not using the current vaccine supply they have.

Is this grounds for a lawsuit?

given that ward 3 managed to get vaccinated at 20X/rate of Ward 8, I don’t think the lack of a site in Ward 3 alone can be a ground for action. But if there is express discrimination based on race - maybe. there’s a role for non-race-based affirmative action here but it will be muddled by the overly woke who on the one hand want to correct racial disparities, but don’t want to do any of the hard work to actually make the vaccine accessible to all.

I am not sure why the rate that people manage to get vaccinated would pertain, if there is discriminatory practice in place--is it not still discrimination?

I have also seen folks posting on the Ward 3 list serves that they do not have cars and are finding securing passage to distant sites challenging. They are essentially being charged a travel tax for a free vaccine.

Last, since DC has vaccines in freezers, opening sites in more locations would be the right thing to do,

This is bad management of vaccine delivery, but I am curious if it is also breaking any laws.

because the goal of vaccinating high-risk and underserved parts of the city is valid AND white people in Ward 3 cannot show that the location of the vaccine sites hurt them in any way. to the contrary, they were all able to access the other wards’ sites. this situation could change, obviously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are no vaccination points for Ward 3 residents. That is an intentional hurdle the city has put in place for Ward 3 elderly. Rather than put in mechanisms to support seniors in other Wards, they decided the easiest way to 'even out' their numbers is to put in as many hurdles as possible for seniors (and later other residents) in Ward 3. All while not using the current vaccine supply they have.

Is this grounds for a lawsuit?

given that ward 3 managed to get vaccinated at 20X/rate of Ward 8, I don’t think the lack of a site in Ward 3 alone can be a ground for action. But if there is express discrimination based on race - maybe. there’s a role for non-race-based affirmative action here but it will be muddled by the overly woke who on the one hand want to correct racial disparities, but don’t want to do any of the hard work to actually make the vaccine accessible to all.

I am not sure why the rate that people manage to get vaccinated would pertain, if there is discriminatory practice in place--is it not still discrimination?

I have also seen folks posting on the Ward 3 list serves that they do not have cars and are finding securing passage to distant sites challenging. They are essentially being charged a travel tax for a free vaccine.

Last, since DC has vaccines in freezers, opening sites in more locations would be the right thing to do,

This is bad management of vaccine delivery, but I am curious if it is also breaking any laws.

because the goal of vaccinating high-risk and underserved parts of the city is valid AND white people in Ward 3 cannot show that the location of the vaccine sites hurt them in any way. to the contrary, they were all able to access the other wards’ sites. this situation could change, obviously.

Of course it's valid. That is why there are extensive sites in those parts of the city and telephone as well as internet sign up. Heck, the city could man sign ups by booth. However, instead of further outreach tor residents of those neighborhoods they are putting impediments to others for 'equity'?? . And 65+ is considered across the board high risk and I would hazard Ward 3 actually has a very high percentage of elderly. The city's approach seems lazy and wrong headed, if not discriminatory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC has had 68,325 doses distributed to it through the Federal vaccine distribution program. Those are doses that DC is already accountable for.

Why has DC only vaccinated 39,934 of its population? Why are there not at least appointments available for the remaining 29,000 doses?

What exactly is DCHealth doing. Remember, they have been working on this rollout since May according to their website.

Our city is tops 750K. We should be a model of efficiency.

Maybe the officials are saving them for the 2nd shot? Am I giving them too much credit for planning?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I am stunned to see the push back on a COVID vaccine advertising campaign.

Do educated people really not understand why there is a slice of the population who mis trusts vaccines? This is not a new phenomenon. There were anti vaxers prior to covid.

Heck there are people in DC who REFUSE to vaccinate their kids against HPV. The City Counsel had to ram a dictatorial policy where they can talk to your kids about HPV vaccination because parents aren't.

There needs to be an advertising campaign to answer any number of great vaccination questions. We see them EVERY day on DCUM.

Do I need to keep wearing my mask one I get the vaccine?
Can I start traveling once I get the vaccine?
Will the vaccine last for life?
Is this like the flu shot and I need to get re shot in the fall?

There are 100 questions that should be answered in a public fashion.

It is even scarier that people on this board cannot acknowledge that and can only think to their individual needs of "I need to see my elderly parents and I understand the problem'.

Totally agree with you. We also need a campaign to teach people how to wear a mask properly. All other countries did it at the beginning of the pandemic. We still have Congressman taking his mask off to cough into his colleagues. How can we blame a senior in ward 8 ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I am stunned to see the push back on a COVID vaccine advertising campaign.

Do educated people really not understand why there is a slice of the population who mis trusts vaccines? This is not a new phenomenon. There were anti vaxers prior to covid.

Heck there are people in DC who REFUSE to vaccinate their kids against HPV. The City Counsel had to ram a dictatorial policy where they can talk to your kids about HPV vaccination because parents aren't.

There needs to be an advertising campaign to answer any number of great vaccination questions. We see them EVERY day on DCUM.

Do I need to keep wearing my mask one I get the vaccine?
Can I start traveling once I get the vaccine?
Will the vaccine last for life?
Is this like the flu shot and I need to get re shot in the fall?

There are 100 questions that should be answered in a public fashion.

It is even scarier that people on this board cannot acknowledge that and can only think to their individual needs of "I need to see my elderly parents and I understand the problem'.

Totally agree with you. We also need a campaign to teach people how to wear a mask properly. All other countries did it at the beginning of the pandemic. We still have Congressman taking his mask off to cough into his colleagues. How can we blame a senior in ward 8 ?

There were no clear rules at all presented by the government, pretty much everything is up for individual discretion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I am stunned to see the push back on a COVID vaccine advertising campaign.

Do educated people really not understand why there is a slice of the population who mis trusts vaccines? This is not a new phenomenon. There were anti vaxers prior to covid.

Heck there are people in DC who REFUSE to vaccinate their kids against HPV. The City Counsel had to ram a dictatorial policy where they can talk to your kids about HPV vaccination because parents aren't.

There needs to be an advertising campaign to answer any number of great vaccination questions. We see them EVERY day on DCUM.

Do I need to keep wearing my mask one I get the vaccine?
Can I start traveling once I get the vaccine?
Will the vaccine last for life?
Is this like the flu shot and I need to get re shot in the fall?

There are 100 questions that should be answered in a public fashion.

It is even scarier that people on this board cannot acknowledge that and can only think to their individual needs of "I need to see my elderly parents and I understand the problem'.

Totally agree with you. We also need a campaign to teach people how to wear a mask properly. All other countries did it at the beginning of the pandemic. We still have Congressman taking his mask off to cough into his colleagues. How can we blame a senior in ward 8 ?

There were no clear rules at all presented by the government, pretty much everything is up for individual discretion.

At the start of this a mask and literature packet should have been delivered to every resident in DC. This whole thing has been abysmal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I am stunned to see the push back on a COVID vaccine advertising campaign.

Do educated people really not understand why there is a slice of the population who mis trusts vaccines? This is not a new phenomenon. There were anti vaxers prior to covid.

Heck there are people in DC who REFUSE to vaccinate their kids against HPV. The City Counsel had to ram a dictatorial policy where they can talk to your kids about HPV vaccination because parents aren't.

There needs to be an advertising campaign to answer any number of great vaccination questions. We see them EVERY day on DCUM.

Do I need to keep wearing my mask one I get the vaccine?
Can I start traveling once I get the vaccine?
Will the vaccine last for life?
Is this like the flu shot and I need to get re shot in the fall?

There are 100 questions that should be answered in a public fashion.

It is even scarier that people on this board cannot acknowledge that and can only think to their individual needs of "I need to see my elderly parents and I understand the problem'.

people should be rightly pissed if they can’t get vaccinated because doses are being witheld pending a public health advertising campaign.

DC is sitting on about 25,000 doses in freezers. Rather than open more distribution sites to increase the vaccination rate, they are blocking groups of people hand-chosen by Allen + Silvernan from signing up for the vaccine. Brilliant!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I am stunned to see the push back on a COVID vaccine advertising campaign.

Do educated people really not understand why there is a slice of the population who mis trusts vaccines? This is not a new phenomenon. There were anti vaxers prior to covid.

Heck there are people in DC who REFUSE to vaccinate their kids against HPV. The City Counsel had to ram a dictatorial policy where they can talk to your kids about HPV vaccination because parents aren't.

There needs to be an advertising campaign to answer any number of great vaccination questions. We see them EVERY day on DCUM.

Do I need to keep wearing my mask one I get the vaccine?
Can I start traveling once I get the vaccine?
Will the vaccine last for life?
Is this like the flu shot and I need to get re shot in the fall?

There are 100 questions that should be answered in a public fashion.

It is even scarier that people on this board cannot acknowledge that and can only think to their individual needs of "I need to see my elderly parents and I understand the problem'.

people should be rightly pissed if they can’t get vaccinated because doses are being witheld pending a public health advertising campaign.

DC is sitting on about 25,000 doses in freezers. Rather than open more distribution sites to increase the vaccination rate, they are blocking groups of people hand-chosen by Allen + Silvernan from signing up for the vaccine. Brilliant!

What a joke.

[Anonymous]

At the current rate of vaccination it will take 2-10 years to vaccinate all Americans. Of course, in a year, the ones who got their first shot may need a 2nd and lap the unvaccinated.. No one knows if this vaccine last long term or will need yearly renewal, like the flu shot. Why doesnt the DC Council focus on efficient vaccination rates across the city rather than add to the bottleneck? Of course 3,000 DC politicians/govt workers were included in 1a, so I think we can be sure our Councilmembers all got their vaccination early on.

[Anonymous]

So now that their is tiered vaccination plan, can we just publish it. Right now we are in the 65 over phase, Black people on Sunday through Thursdays, all others Friday and Saturday. Exceptions for Council Members because they are important.

When we start innoculating high risk and teachers we will do the same. Black chemo patients and Teachers Sunday through Thursday, everybody else Friday and Sat.

Is everything just a black and white litmus test now? Can nothing just be 'good' science?

[Anonymous]

Crazy that people can justify complaining about “discrimination” against the wards that have taken the majority of vaccines while suffering the minority of deaths. The argument that this emphasis on equity slows the rollout is also laughable given that all the reserves vaccine appointments were filled in less than half a day. If you are so concerned about a travel tax, were you equally as concerned about the decades long lack of any healthy food or large grocery stores in ward 8?

[Anonymous]

Look at these two maps of vaccinations by ward and deaths by ward and then tell me ward 3 is discriminated against (maybe revisit the definition and historical context of discrimination)

Deaths by ward: https://images.app.goo.gl/1Pu8PNhh1yAZBMyW9

Vaccinations by ward: https://images.app.goo.gl/hag4jzXG5EojGLfWA

With a reminder, that ALL appointments were filled within hours of the opening (so skip the vaccine hesitancy argument - perhaps a concern down the road, a non-factor today). There’s literally no substance to this argument besides racism and entitlement, as much as I would also like a vaccine.

[Anonymous]

Some classic lines from DC City Council.

“If you cannot legally prioritize based on race, can you prioritize based on geography to ensure people who need this the most are the people who are going to get it?” McDuffie asked.

McDuffie said several constituents contacted his office after trying to sign up for an appointment online and over the phone with no success. He also shared an anecdote from a constituent who described a scene at Model Cities Senior Wellness Center, a Ward 5 vaccination site, where they were the only visibly Black person in line. The constituent told McDuffie that others in line said they lived in Ward 3, and the only appointments they could find were at the site in Wards 5 and 8.

“Please explain to me why you are permitting this to happen,” McDuffie told Nesbitt. “I’ve had 140 people die in Ward 5. Ward 3 has had 42 people die,” he shouted. “140 to 42.”

For Nesbitt, the answer was obvious. DC Health set up vaccination sites that can process more people on a daily basis in Wards 5, 7, and 8, where high populations of Black residents live. By that logic, it makes sense that Ward 3 residents are getting vaccinated in Ward 5. She also noted that people of color are generally more hesitant to accept vaccines, according to her department’s own survey data, and she can’t force people to get vaccinated.

Earlier in the call, Nesbitt scoffed at a question from At-Large Councilmember Elissa Silverman, who suggested DOH consider that some low income residents—namely, Black residents—might not have access to computers to book an appointment. Silverman, like McDuffie, wanted to know if any thought had been given to reserving vaccine doses for people in neighborhoods hit hardest by COVID-19.

“I do not practically understand that question,” Nesbitt said. “I simply can’t comprehend it.”

Using her own 70-something-year-old parents as an example, Nesbitt dismissed the idea that older Black seniors are unable to book appointments through the website like their White counterparts. DC Health also set up a call center for those who don’t have internet access, Nesbitt said.

“I think we’re probably being a little bit pejorative with some of these assumptions that are being made,” Nesbitt said. “I also want people to remember that the sites were selected to create access.”