Elite universities, Ivy Plus/Equivalents...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ivy League has been around for almost 100 years. The Big Three, a term used for HYP, goes back further. Their prestige takes a long time to build. They don't need US News. US News needs the Ivy League to sell its magazine. MIT and Stanford are also widely respected as elite academic institutions. The rest are just good schools. They don't have the history and the prestige as those 10 schools.

Bingo. Strivers are clueless. It's sad when their kids get into one of their two tier schools and then they realize nobody cares, so they desperately trying to hype up how great their kid's tier two is. Unless they're at HYPSM or an Ivy, nobody cares. Nobody is impressed by a NORTHWESTERN or EMORY or CHICAGO resume. They're fine schools but no parent is going to pester you about 'how'd you do it,' you know. People just don't care and none of your hot air and forum posting is going to convince people otherwise.

This has pretty much been the case for a very long time. And so maybe it always will be the case (especially at country clubs in the Northeast...)
But......in my opinion, it's happening...it's really happening....The Ivy League and even HYP are starting to leak some of their cachet. Is anyone else sensing this? I have my theories as to why, but I believe it's happening. Maybe it won't grow or continue, but in the meantime, schools like Chicago are benefitting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are some of you this nasty about schools in real life? I feel sorry for you if you really think"HYPS is the only school worth attending" I went to Harvard, by the way, and the worst thing about having attended is that there is a subset of insufferably arrogant people who truly believe they are superior in all ways to others. The reality is it's luck at this point who gets admitted, not pure merit.

Of course, you went to Harvard. So did half of DCUM

Nah, I can tell they actually went to Harvard because the way they coyly, half-braggingly inserted it into their sentence oh-so-Harvard-esque. "I went to Harvard, by the way."

I only kid, PP! I agree with your point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ivy League has been around for almost 100 years. The Big Three, a term used for HYP, goes back further. Their prestige takes a long time to build. They don't need US News. US News needs the Ivy League to sell its magazine. MIT and Stanford are also widely respected as elite academic institutions. The rest are just good schools. They don't have the history and the prestige as those 10 schools.

Bingo. Strivers are clueless. It's sad when their kids get into one of their two tier schools and then they realize nobody cares, so they desperately trying to hype up how great their kid's tier two is. Unless they're at HYPSM or an Ivy, nobody cares. Nobody is impressed by a NORTHWESTERN or EMORY or CHICAGO resume. They're fine schools but no parent is going to pester you about 'how'd you do it,' you know. People just don't care and none of your hot air and forum posting is going to convince people otherwise.

This has pretty much been the case for a very long time. And so maybe it always will be the case (especially at country clubs in the Northeast...)
But......in my opinion, it's happening...it's really happening....The Ivy League and even HYP are starting to leak some of their cachet. Is anyone else sensing this? I have my theories as to why, but I believe it's happening. Maybe it won't grow or continue, but in the meantime, schools like Chicago are benefitting.

I don't know about Chicago as it's always had more of an academic prestige, and probably not for Emory (not sure why it's included here), but Northwestern at least has had long ties to the moneyed elite. Lot of old money families, especially from the Midwest and West, have gone through Northwestern. Generations of the Buffetts, for example (yes, as in Warren Buffett's family). Similar story for Duke and at this point, probably even USC.

It's less that the Ivy League is losing its cachet, and perhaps more that people from their cloistered bubbles in the Northeast are wising up to the fact that there are many more schools outside of the Ancient Eight that are just as elite? This isn't a recent development by any means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ivy League has been around for almost 100 years. The Big Three, a term used for HYP, goes back further. Their prestige takes a long time to build. They don't need US News. US News needs the Ivy League to sell its magazine. MIT and Stanford are also widely respected as elite academic institutions. The rest are just good schools. They don't have the history and the prestige as those 10 schools.

Bingo. Strivers are clueless. It's sad when their kids get into one of their two tier schools and then they realize nobody cares, so they desperately trying to hype up how great their kid's tier two is. Unless they're at HYPSM or an Ivy, nobody cares. Nobody is impressed by a NORTHWESTERN or EMORY or CHICAGO resume. They're fine schools but no parent is going to pester you about 'how'd you do it,' you know. People just don't care and none of your hot air and forum posting is going to convince people otherwise.

NP. If you think Chicago isn't impressive on a resume - as in, from an employer's perspective - you are the clueless one. (And this is not new.) Employer perspective is not related to a DCUM parent competition.

[Anonymous]

Bingo. Strivers are clueless. It's sad when their kids get into one of their two tier schools and then they realize nobody cares, so they desperately trying to hype up how great their kid's tier two is. Unless they're at HYPSM or an Ivy, nobody cares. Nobody is impressed by a NORTHWESTERN or EMORY or CHICAGO resume. They're fine schools but no parent is going to pester you about 'how'd you do it,' you know. People just don't care and none of your hot air and forum posting is going to convince people otherwise.

I find it hard to believe that an adult wrote this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bingo. Strivers are clueless. It's sad when their kids get into one of their two tier schools and then they realize nobody cares, so they desperately trying to hype up how great their kid's tier two is. Unless they're at HYPSM or an Ivy, nobody cares. Nobody is impressed by a NORTHWESTERN or EMORY or CHICAGO resume. They're fine schools but no parent is going to pester you about 'how'd you do it,' you know. People just don't care and none of your hot air and forum posting is going to convince people otherwise.

I find it hard to believe that an adult wrote this.

I don’t want my kid to have anything to do with people like you and your offspring. Didn’t realize the goal of sending a kid off to college was to have other parents “Pester you about ‘how’d you do it’”. Pathetic and pitiful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ivy League has been around for almost 100 years. The Big Three, a term used for HYP, goes back further. Their prestige takes a long time to build. They don't need US News. US News needs the Ivy League to sell its magazine. MIT and Stanford are also widely respected as elite academic institutions. The rest are just good schools. They don't have the history and the prestige as those 10 schools.

Bingo. Strivers are clueless. It's sad when their kids get into one of their two tier schools and then they realize nobody cares, so they desperately trying to hype up how great their kid's tier two is. Unless they're at HYPSM or an Ivy, nobody cares. Nobody is impressed by a NORTHWESTERN or EMORY or CHICAGO resume. They're fine schools but no parent is going to pester you about 'how'd you do it,' you know. People just don't care and none of your hot air and forum posting is going to convince people otherwise.

This has pretty much been the case for a very long time. And so maybe it always will be the case (especially at country clubs in the Northeast...)
But......in my opinion, it's happening...it's really happening....The Ivy League and even HYP are starting to leak some of their cachet. Is anyone else sensing this? I have my theories as to why, but I believe it's happening. Maybe it won't grow or continue, but in the meantime, schools like Chicago are benefitting.

We're a young country. Even the most prestigious of universities in the U.S. would look anything like they do currently if you went back too far. Princeton was only named Princeton in 1896. Stanford was founded in 1885. The Yale gothic college buildings that look the oldest were constructed in the 1920s and 1930s. Same for the Harvard houses. Compare the oldest existing building at Harvard, a simple building from about 1720 with the soaring King's College Chapel at Cambridge, which was finished 200 years earlier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bingo. Strivers are clueless. It's sad when their kids get into one of their two tier schools and then they realize nobody cares, so they desperately trying to hype up how great their kid's tier two is. Unless they're at HYPSM or an Ivy, nobody cares. Nobody is impressed by a NORTHWESTERN or EMORY or CHICAGO resume. They're fine schools but no parent is going to pester you about 'how'd you do it,' you know. People just don't care and none of your hot air and forum posting is going to convince people otherwise.

I find it hard to believe that an adult wrote this.

It’s hard to believe you are an adult who has anything remotely approaching knowledge about colleges.

You should stop — you’re embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bingo. Strivers are clueless. It's sad when their kids get into one of their two tier schools and then they realize nobody cares, so they desperately trying to hype up how great their kid's tier two is. Unless they're at HYPSM or an Ivy, nobody cares. Nobody is impressed by a NORTHWESTERN or EMORY or CHICAGO resume. They're fine schools but no parent is going to pester you about 'how'd you do it,' you know. People just don't care and none of your hot air and forum posting is going to convince people otherwise.

I find it hard to believe that an adult wrote this.

Must be someone that grew up in a very hierarchy society. Maybe a caste based one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bingo. Strivers are clueless. It's sad when their kids get into one of their two tier schools and then they realize nobody cares, so they desperately trying to hype up how great their kid's tier two is. Unless they're at HYPSM or an Ivy, nobody cares. Nobody is impressed by a NORTHWESTERN or EMORY or CHICAGO resume. They're fine schools but no parent is going to pester you about 'how'd you do it,' you know. People just don't care and none of your hot air and forum posting is going to convince people otherwise.

I find it hard to believe that an adult wrote this.

Must be someone that grew up in a very hierarchy society. Maybe a caste based one.

You must come from a society that Duchess of Sussex is still a thing. That's right. She graduated from Northwestern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bingo. Strivers are clueless. It's sad when their kids get into one of their two tier schools and then they realize nobody cares, so they desperately trying to hype up how great their kid's tier two is. Unless they're at HYPSM or an Ivy, nobody cares. Nobody is impressed by a NORTHWESTERN or EMORY or CHICAGO resume. They're fine schools but no parent is going to pester you about 'how'd you do it,' you know. People just don't care and none of your hot air and forum posting is going to convince people otherwise.

I find it hard to believe that an adult wrote this.

Must be someone that grew up in a very hierarchy society. Maybe a caste based one.

You must come from a society that Duchess of Sussex is still a thing. That's right. She graduated from Northwestern.

You just confirmed my suspicion.

[Anonymous]

Can we stop this extreme childishness and petulance so we can get back to the regular childishness and petulance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bingo. Strivers are clueless. It's sad when their kids get into one of their two tier schools and then they realize nobody cares, so they desperately trying to hype up how great their kid's tier two is. Unless they're at HYPSM or an Ivy, nobody cares. Nobody is impressed by a NORTHWESTERN or EMORY or CHICAGO resume. They're fine schools but no parent is going to pester you about 'how'd you do it,' you know. People just don't care and none of your hot air and forum posting is going to convince people otherwise.

I find it hard to believe that an adult wrote this.

Must be someone that grew up in a very hierarchy society. Maybe a caste based one.

You must come from a society that Duchess of Sussex is still a thing. That's right. She graduated from Northwestern.

Northwestern alum here; let’s not stoop to these people’s level. And although I don’t have anything against Meghan, she is far, far from our most notable alum.

Unless whoever commented this is not a Northwestern alum and is just trolling. That could very well be the case judging from prior comments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This has pretty much been the case for a very long time. And so maybe it always will be the case (especially at country clubs in the Northeast...)
But......in my opinion, it's happening...it's really happening....The Ivy League and even HYP are starting to leak some of their cachet. Is anyone else sensing this? I have my theories as to why, but I believe it's happening. Maybe it won't grow or continue, but in the meantime, schools like Chicago are benefitting.

We're a young country. Even the most prestigious of universities in the U.S. would look anything like they do currently if you went back too far. Princeton was only named Princeton in 1896. Stanford was founded in 1885. The Yale gothic college buildings that look the oldest were constructed in the 1920s and 1930s. Same for the Harvard houses. Compare the oldest existing building at Harvard, a simple building from about 1720 with the soaring King's College Chapel at Cambridge, which was finished 200 years earlier.

I suspect this is a very big part of it. Another important thing to consider is that the U.S. is HUGE, as someone on the first page of this thread pointed out. Let's see, if we were to compare ourselves to the "second" world leader in higher education, the U.K., the numbers make sense. The U.S. is about 6 times larger the U.K. in terms of population. Even if we were to take JUST the two tippy top representative universities from the U.K., Oxford and Cambridge, and adjusted to scale, it would mean we have about 12 elite-tier universities here in the states. That should make sense. If we were to expand the comparison pool to other prestigious U.K. universities like UCL, LSE, KCL and Imperial, that would mean we have more than 36 strong, world-class universities in the U.S.

This all tracks. The folks who are only pre-occupied with 7 or 8 of America's top universities, or think they're inherently more special because they happen to belong to the same sports league as Harvard, are misguided and living in the past. Yes, social prestige is a factor, but outcomes from the other Ivy Plus schools are just as strong. But even arguing for that should be a non-issue - anyone who thinks the aforementioned colleges are NOT prestigious is a complete and utter dunce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This has pretty much been the case for a very long time. And so maybe it always will be the case (especially at country clubs in the Northeast...)
But......in my opinion, it's happening...it's really happening....The Ivy League and even HYP are starting to leak some of their cachet. Is anyone else sensing this? I have my theories as to why, but I believe it's happening. Maybe it won't grow or continue, but in the meantime, schools like Chicago are benefitting.

We're a young country. Even the most prestigious of universities in the U.S. would look anything like they do currently if you went back too far. Princeton was only named Princeton in 1896. Stanford was founded in 1885. The Yale gothic college buildings that look the oldest were constructed in the 1920s and 1930s. Same for the Harvard houses. Compare the oldest existing building at Harvard, a simple building from about 1720 with the soaring King's College Chapel at Cambridge, which was finished 200 years earlier.

I suspect this is a very big part of it. Another important thing to consider is that the U.S. is HUGE, as someone on the first page of this thread pointed out. Let's see, if we were to compare ourselves to the "second" world leader in higher education, the U.K., the numbers make sense. The U.S. is about 6 times larger the U.K. in terms of population. Even if we were to take JUST the two tippy top representative universities from the U.K., Oxford and Cambridge, and adjusted to scale, it would mean we have about 12 elite-tier universities here in the states. That should make sense. If we were to expand the comparison pool to other prestigious U.K. universities like UCL, LSE, KCL and Imperial, that would mean we have more than 36 strong, world-class universities in the U.S.

This all tracks. The folks who are only pre-occupied with 7 or 8 of America's top universities, or think they're inherently more special because they happen to belong to the same sports league as Harvard, are misguided and living in the past. Yes, social prestige is a factor, but outcomes from the other Ivy Plus schools are just as strong. But even arguing for that should be a non-issue - anyone who thinks the aforementioned colleges are NOT prestigious is a complete and utter dunce.

Well said....this is DCUM however and the foppish mob rules. These people are so ridiculous it's pure entertainment, it's fascinating that many of them make it through their daily lives.