Elite universities, Ivy Plus/Equivalents...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't agree with T20 = Ivy level. Cornell is severely underranked by US News. I'd personally put it in the top 15, which most other ranking systems do as well, so I'd say T15 is around Ivy level. That leaves 8 Ivy Leagues + about 7 other schools.

The universe doesn't revolve around Ivy.
T10 T20 sound more natural

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Coming across the JHU thread and it’s clear there are some people unfamiliar with American colleges who think Ivy League = the best. It is worth repeating that there are just as many universities NOT in the Ivy League that are just as good and just as prestigious as the Ivies.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Cal Tech, JHU, Northwestern, Duke

If we expand to LACS, add Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore and Pomona.

If these schools were to just start their own separate academic “league,” they would rival the Ivy League, easily.

No one thinks only Ivy League is the best. It's a straw man in your own head. But Ivy League is a real grouping that conveys prestige for lay people. MIT and Stanford are also widely accepted as being in the top 5 prestigious schools in the country. T5, HYPMS is a real grouping.

The rest of them are all good schools. But they are not prestigious.

You had it ass-backwards. The Ivy League is a real grouping. HYPMS, not so much.

Nobody would think an Ivy league school like Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth are better than UChicago, Duke, MIT, Stanford.
So the Ivy grouping has no meaning.
T5 T10 T20 would be real grouping.

Maybe not for you, but the grouping does carry significant weight for a lot of people. It's deeply ingrained in public culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ivy-League

"Ivy League, a group of colleges and universities in the northeastern United States that are widely regarded as high in academic and social prestige: Harvard (established 1636), Yale (1701), Pennsylvania (1740), Princeton (1746), Columbia (1754), Brown (1764), Dartmouth (1769), and Cornell (1865)."

I can't find a T5 or T10 page on wikipedia or any dictionary for that matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't agree with T20 = Ivy level. Cornell is severely underranked by US News. I'd personally put it in the top 15, which most other ranking systems do as well, so I'd say T15 is around Ivy level. That leaves 8 Ivy Leagues + about 7 other schools.

The universe doesn't revolve around Ivy.
T10 T20 sound more natural

Or just "Ivy Plus."

[Anonymous]

Today, people think about elite schools more broadly than HPYSM because there are more really bright kids trying to fill roughly the same number of seats as several decades ago. Much of this expanded competition has to do with the expanded focus on diversity - more international, URM, first-gen, and immigrant students - and needs-blind admissions. The result is that many students who would have traditionally attended HPYSM are attending other very good schools. Thus, both these students and their parents want their schools recognized. And to be fair, these schools have admission requirements every bit as rigorous as the Ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Today, people think about elite schools more broadly than HPYSM because there are more really bright kids trying to fill roughly the same number of seats as several decades ago. Much of this expanded competition has to do with the expanded focus on diversity - more international, URM, first-gen, and immigrant students - and needs-blind admissions. The result is that many students who would have traditionally attended HPYSM are attending other very good schools. Thus, both these students and their parents want their schools recognized. And to be fair, these schools have admission requirements every bit as rigorous as the Ivies.

The world doesn't revolve around HYPSM....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today, people think about elite schools more broadly than HPYSM because there are more really bright kids trying to fill roughly the same number of seats as several decades ago. Much of this expanded competition has to do with the expanded focus on diversity - more international, URM, first-gen, and immigrant students - and needs-blind admissions. The result is that many students who would have traditionally attended HPYSM are attending other very good schools. Thus, both these students and their parents want their schools recognized. And to be fair, these schools have admission requirements every bit as rigorous as the Ivies.

The world doesn't revolve around HYPSM....

That was the point of PP’s comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coming across the JHU thread and it’s clear there are some people unfamiliar with American colleges who think Ivy League = the best. It is worth repeating that there are just as many universities NOT in the Ivy League that are just as good and just as prestigious as the Ivies.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Cal Tech, JHU, Northwestern, Duke

If we expand to LACS, add Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore and Pomona.

If these schools were to just start their own separate academic “league,” they would rival the Ivy League, easily.

No one thinks only Ivy League is the best. It's a straw man in your own head. But Ivy League is a real grouping that conveys prestige for lay people. MIT and Stanford are also widely accepted as being in the top 5 prestigious schools in the country. T5, HYPMS is a real grouping.

The rest of them are all good schools. But they are not prestigious.

You had it ass-backwards. The Ivy League is a real grouping. HYPMS, not so much.

Nobody would think an Ivy league school like Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth are better than UChicago, Duke, MIT, Stanford.
So the Ivy grouping has no meaning.
T5 T10 T20 would be real grouping.

Maybe not for you, but the grouping does carry significant weight for a lot of people. It's deeply ingrained in public culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ivy-League

"Ivy League, a group of colleges and universities in the northeastern United States that are widely regarded as high in academic and social prestige: Harvard (established 1636), Yale (1701), Pennsylvania (1740), Princeton (1746), Columbia (1754), Brown (1764), Dartmouth (1769), and Cornell (1865)."

I can't find a T5 or T10 page on wikipedia or any dictionary for that matter.

Yes, Ivies are some great schools in the Northeastern region.

They are scattered around T20 in USNWR which is a De Facto standard and a Bible for college ranking.
Maybe not for you, but the ranking does carry significant weight for a lot of people.
The General public go to it to check out school ranking.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

It doesn't have any special designation for Ivy. If it's ranked 15, it's 15.

[Anonymous]

1. Princeton
2. Columbia, Harvard, MIT
5. Yale
6. Stanford, UChicago
8. UPenn
9. Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern
13. Dartmouth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. Princeton
2. Columbia, Harvard, MIT
5. Yale
6. Stanford, UChicago
8. UPenn
9. Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern
13. Dartmouth

LOL. desperate columbia mom,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Princeton
2. Columbia, Harvard, MIT
5. Yale
6. Stanford, UChicago
8. UPenn
9. Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern
13. Dartmouth

LOL. desperate columbia mom,

Oh, sweet naive child. This is the US News ranking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. Princeton
2. Columbia, Harvard, MIT
5. Yale
6. Stanford, UChicago
8. UPenn
9. Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern
13. Dartmouth

Why are you leaving out Brown and Cornell if you’re Ivy obsessed? Probably because Brown is tied with Vanderbilt, which doesn’t fit your narrative. Same with Cornell, which is ranked even lower. Give it a break. You’re fooling no one except yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Princeton
2. Columbia, Harvard, MIT
5. Yale
6. Stanford, UChicago
8. UPenn
9. Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern
13. Dartmouth

Why are you leaving out Brown and Cornell if you’re Ivy obsessed? Probably because Brown is tied with Vanderbilt, which doesn’t fit your narrative. Same with Cornell, which is ranked even lower. Give it a break. You’re fooling no one except yourself.

Fool, This is the US News ranking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Princeton
2. Columbia, Harvard, MIT
5. Yale
6. Stanford, UChicago
8. UPenn
9. Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern
13. Dartmouth

Why are you leaving out Brown and Cornell if you’re Ivy obsessed? Probably because Brown is tied with Vanderbilt, which doesn’t fit your narrative. Same with Cornell, which is ranked even lower. Give it a break. You’re fooling no one except yourself.

Fool, This is the US News ranking.

You’re the fool. Of course it’s the USNWR ranking, but since you’re obsessed with Ivies, why aren’t you including all of them? My claim is that you left out Brown and Cornell because they are tied with or ranked below other schools you don’t want to include. In essence, you are cherry-picking the data to fit your narrative.

[Anonymous]

I LOVE PRESTIGE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. Princeton
2. Columbia, Harvard, MIT
5. Yale
6. Stanford, UChicago
8. UPenn
9. Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern
13. Dartmouth

Number 13 has any special meaning??