Dating a Red Piller

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am kind of struck by the idea that some men feel that lying, being manipulative, and putting women on a pedestal is “nice,” while being forthright and honest and treating women as equals is “not nice.”
Of course women would rather date men who aren’t creepy and deceitful.

Exactly. RedPill just tells men to be authentic. All this RP hate comes from self serving feminists who prefer a world of BluePill worshiping drones.

[Anonymous]

I mean, Elliot Rodger murdered six people, but I'm sure it's just a harmless set of dating guidelines, amirite?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/05/27/inside-the-manosphere-that-inspired-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, Elliot Rodger murdered six people, but I'm sure it's just a harmless set of dating guidelines, amirite?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/05/27/inside-the-manosphere-that-inspired-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger/

It’s pretty easy to cherry pick examples like that based on the truly crazy. Do you hold the Bernie Bros accountable for the shooting of the House GOP leadership a few years back? I think the red pill has done vastly more good than harm by providing guidance to numerous lost and confused men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, Elliot Rodger murdered six people, but I'm sure it's just a harmless set of dating guidelines, amirite?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/05/27/inside-the-manosphere-that-inspired-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger/

It’s pretty easy to cherry pick examples like that based on the truly crazy. Do you hold the Bernie Bros accountable for the shooting of the House GOP leadership a few years back? I think the red pill has done vastly more good than harm by providing guidance to numerous lost and confused men.

I think Red Pill is toxic. But I also think cherry-picking Elliot Rodger is disingenuous. That's the Internet for you, I suppose.

There are unpleasant truths about attraction - for example, well-muscled extroverts are more attractive to women on first sight than conscientious underweight introverts. The former are way more likely to have fun, short-term sexual relationships with pretty women than the latter. But the Red Pill kind of stops there and uses it as a foundation for building a harmful world-view. Women aren't bad people for being superficial about their early attraction any more than men are. Short term sexual relationships aren't the most important things in lives. They aren't the basis for long term happiness. Women aren't uniquely bad -- there is about as much good & bad among women as there is among men. Men are sometimes victimized and, in some areas more victims than women are. But, if it's a misery contest, women have an overall tougher hill to climb in life than men do. There's no real room for this kind of nuance in Red Pill circles which is why all of the good stuff -- be more confident, exercise, practice good hygiene, don't derive your self-worth from the approval of a particular woman, and so forth -- gets lost in the stupid stuff (women are hypergamous opportunists stringing along bluepill orbiters. Alphas rule, betas drool; etc.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, Elliot Rodger murdered six people, but I'm sure it's just a harmless set of dating guidelines, amirite?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/05/27/inside-the-manosphere-that-inspired-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger/

It’s pretty easy to cherry pick examples like that based on the truly crazy. Do you hold the Bernie Bros accountable for the shooting of the House GOP leadership a few years back? I think the red pill has done vastly more good than harm by providing guidance to numerous lost and confused men.

I don't understand that connection at all. The entire point of the red pill movement is to advocate for misogyny. I don't think he's a cherry picked or extreme example. Femicide is rampant across the world, and this is a movement that encourages men toward it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am kind of struck by the idea that some men feel that lying, being manipulative, and putting women on a pedestal is “nice,” while being forthright and honest and treating women as equals is “not nice.”
Of course women would rather date men who aren’t creepy and deceitful.

It's not all neckbeards who get sucked into Red Pill. Some guys are honestly nice but shy. They get passed over for self-centered dickheads too.

You can’t be honestly nice and routinely lie and attempt to manipulate women into sleeping with you. Helping someone move because you think it will get you closer to sleeping with them IS being a self-centered dickhead.
Asking someone out on a date because you want to sleep with them, then allowing them to say yes or no, is being upfront and honest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am kind of struck by the idea that some men feel that lying, being manipulative, and putting women on a pedestal is “nice,” while being forthright and honest and treating women as equals is “not nice.”
Of course women would rather date men who aren’t creepy and deceitful.

Exactly. RedPill just tells men to be authentic. All this RP hate comes from self serving feminists who prefer a world of BluePill worshiping drones.

If you were really authentic, you would straight up tell women you are interested in that you believe all women are whores and cheaters, just out to get what they can, and you believe they should not have equal rights and should be subservient to men.

I'm guessing you are not doing that. Therefore, you're just another liar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, Elliot Rodger murdered six people, but I'm sure it's just a harmless set of dating guidelines, amirite?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/05/27/inside-the-manosphere-that-inspired-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger/

It’s pretty easy to cherry pick examples like that based on the truly crazy. Do you hold the Bernie Bros accountable for the shooting of the House GOP leadership a few years back? I think the red pill has done vastly more good than harm by providing guidance to numerous lost and confused men.

I think Red Pill is toxic. But I also think cherry-picking Elliot Rodger is disingenuous. That's the Internet for you, I suppose.

There are unpleasant truths about attraction - for example, well-muscled extroverts are more attractive to women on first sight than conscientious underweight introverts. The former are way more likely to have fun, short-term sexual relationships with pretty women than the latter. But the Red Pill kind of stops there and uses it as a foundation for building a harmful world-view. Women aren't bad people for being superficial about their early attraction any more than men are. Short term sexual relationships aren't the most important things in lives. They aren't the basis for long term happiness. Women aren't uniquely bad -- there is about as much good & bad among women as there is among men. Men are sometimes victimized and, in some areas more victims than women are. But, if it's a misery contest, women have an overall tougher hill to climb in life than men do. There's no real room for this kind of nuance in Red Pill circles which is why all of the good stuff -- be more confident, exercise, practice good hygiene, don't derive your self-worth from the approval of a particular woman, and so forth -- gets lost in the stupid stuff (women are hypergamous opportunists stringing along bluepill orbiters. Alphas rule, betas drool; etc.)

I get where you are coming from but don’t agree. IME, the Red Pill type beliefs are realistic about many unpleasant truths, and rather than feeding a view that women are “bad people,” it instead encourages engagement with reality and managed disappointment. What makes many men “angry” in this context is not the behavior of women, its the fact that they have been, essentially, lied to by society and encouraged to act in ways that are counter to their own interests as a result. That’s what causes toxic anger and resentment. Take what you have just said: “well-muscled extroverts are more attractive to women.” Obvious, yes? Beyond dispute, IMO. But there are lots of men who have become confused about that simple and obvious fact due to years of cultural programming that muddies that up, and when such men act on contrary scripts and get bad results, anger is the natural result. Whereas if they had a more realistic view from the get-go, there would be less of that. Also, it gives men the prospect of ways to improve their chances: hit the gym and work on your social presentation. To be sure, there are those who simply cannot handle reality and blow up in toxic and dangerous ways, but that’s not an argument against accurately describing reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am kind of struck by the idea that some men feel that lying, being manipulative, and putting women on a pedestal is “nice,” while being forthright and honest and treating women as equals is “not nice.”
Of course women would rather date men who aren’t creepy and deceitful.

It's not all neckbeards who get sucked into Red Pill. Some guys are honestly nice but shy. They get passed over for self-centered dickheads too.

You can’t be honestly nice and routinely lie and attempt to manipulate women into sleeping with you. Helping someone move because you think it will get you closer to sleeping with them IS being a self-centered dickhead.
Asking someone out on a date because you want to sleep with them, then allowing them to say yes or no, is being upfront and honest.

I'm saying there are nice, shy guys who don't lie and attempt to manipulate women into sex. They don't help someone move to get women to sleep with them. These guys still get passed over for self-centered dickheads. Not because women are bad people, but because they often follow the path of least resistance -- going out with the self-centered dickheads because they are at least superficially attractive and, more importantly, take the initiative which, in turn, takes the burden off the women. Ultimately the introverts aren't making it easy for women and so they get passed over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, Elliot Rodger murdered six people, but I'm sure it's just a harmless set of dating guidelines, amirite?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/05/27/inside-the-manosphere-that-inspired-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger/

It’s pretty easy to cherry pick examples like that based on the truly crazy. Do you hold the Bernie Bros accountable for the shooting of the House GOP leadership a few years back? I think the red pill has done vastly more good than harm by providing guidance to numerous lost and confused men.

I don't understand that connection at all. The entire point of the red pill movement is to advocate for misogyny. I don't think he's a cherry picked or extreme example. Femicide is rampant across the world, and this is a movement that encourages men toward it.

I completely agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, Elliot Rodger murdered six people, but I'm sure it's just a harmless set of dating guidelines, amirite?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/05/27/inside-the-manosphere-that-inspired-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger/

It’s pretty easy to cherry pick examples like that based on the truly crazy. Do you hold the Bernie Bros accountable for the shooting of the House GOP leadership a few years back? I think the red pill has done vastly more good than harm by providing guidance to numerous lost and confused men.

I don't understand that connection at all. The entire point of the red pill movement is to advocate for misogyny. I don't think he's a cherry picked or extreme example. Femicide is rampant across the world, and this is a movement that encourages men toward it.

I’ll have to read deeper because I’ve only seen the misogynistic red pillers as outliers. I thought the point was to make men basically be more attractive by not engaging in behavior women find not attractive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need to know more about what exactly he posted before passing judgement. Many red pill sites include general self-improvement discussion that is useful or that the OP's boyfriend may want to contribute to. For example, red pillers have a fascination with lifting weights and getting muscular, which while not a panacea for romance problems, can be part of a healthy lifestyle. Red pill also discusses the best career options for certain aptitudes, etc. Just because he posts on the site doesn't mean he supports the ideology. I post on this site and I'm not a Mom, nor a woman, and I don't live in the DC metro area.

In the 80s when I was growing up, it was fairly common for magazine articles or women talking about what they looked for in a man to have things like "a good sense of humor" or some non-physical attribute making the top of the lists. But looking around, it was pretty clear that muscular guys were doing well for themselves with attractive women. So, it was fairly easy to conclude that women were not exactly being forthright when they were talking about what they wanted in a man -- I don't know if this was because they didn't know themselves, were afraid of being slut-shamed, or were embarrassed to say they liked big biceps or whatever. I think it's better nowadays with women more likely to come out and let it be known that they can be every bit as shallow as men.

You’ve assumed that because attractive women date attractive men, women were being untruthful about wanting a guy with a sense of humor? Most women aren’t hotties. And the attractive men aren’t paying attention to them either. It’s a two way street.
Why do shy nerdy guys feel like they are owed sex by hot women for helping them move? Why don’t they pursue a shy awkward girl instead of being angry at all women just because the hotties aren’t giving them BJs?

[Anonymous]

Seems like the OPs boyfriend’s game worked so far until she found out his play book.

[Anonymous]

In r/TheRedPill’s instance, the “dark truths” that the subreddit’s subscribers have swallowed are these: feminism is toxic, sexism is fake, men have it harder than women, and everything the media teaches about relationships is a lie. In reality (the argument goes) women don’t want soft-centred men/chocolates; they want to be dominated, controlled, and manipulated. The most extreme Red Pillers even believe that women want to be raped.

https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2017/02/reddit-the-red-pill-interview-how-misogyny-spreads-online

TRP on reddit is a "quarantined" community because it's THAT bad. If reddit thinks you're awful well...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of young men read this stuff but a much smaller percentage are hardcore.

I’d always been friend zoned by women and always the reliable guy they could lean on and tell me about their breakups. In reading on how I could up my game I stumbled on this red pill stuff and, while I still have the same high level of respect for women, my approach is entirely different.

For example, I play the field more with women rather than ditching them all when one woman acts like she likes me. I’d been burned on that before when we break up and I’ve burned bridges.

Also, I don’t engage in chatty text messages, I let my intention be known in a nice way. I set a date and make the date. I don’t emote all of my feelings. I no longer text chat all day while I’m working. If I feel I’m not appreciated I don’t keep giving of myself. I used to be the guy several beautiful women would ask to move their furniture after they got railed by some guy who wasn’t in my opinion as good as me.

In other words reading this stuff has made me realize my self worth.

I don’t think the people who say dump this guy actually have read the stuff. Or they have only read extreme women hating stuff.

So it's "The RUles" for men?

Hmm.