Dating a Red Piller

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Woman here, I have read some websites for MGTOW/red pill because I thought the idea was interesting, I wanted to know what it was about. Some of the ideas I agreed with and some I thought were extreme.

I completely agree with the guy moving the furniture. What I read from the websites was the same idea. They didn't want more friends, they have friends, what they wanted was a romantic/sexual relationship so in their mind, why would they move a females furniture if she isn't interested in them. Today we are fighting for equality so in their mind, the female can pay movers or get family to help. The female is using her looks to use these males and they are simply saying enough and I think that is fair enough.

They talk about hypergamy - marrying or sleeping someone of a superior background. Their idea from what I read is that most women want to marry a successful man and lets face it, look at this forum, its true. So many posts about getting a rich husband, successful husband. Their opinion seems to be that even if a woman herself isn't successful she still expects her boyfriend/husband to be successful, so where is the personal responsibility of the female.

They feel unappreciated in society and talk about the fact that men have built societies, they are the inventors, have built the infrastructure etc. I agree with that but women have created the people to be that society it's built for.

What I do agree with is that a lot of it was simply making their own lives better, doing what they want and not letting a female come along and distract them from that. A lot of them seemed to be there after a really messy divorce and they had terrible stories of how they were treated and left destitute. I think in part some of the ideas are simply to protect themselves so it doesn't happen again. I have seen male friends end a marriage like this so agree in putting those boundaries in place.

I also saw that some of the extreme ideas did show a hatred toward feminism and females and extreme misogyny such as I read one reply that wanted life to go back to where women couldn't vote or work however we also have radical feminists so I guess it evens out. They seem to have a thing with the fact that females sleep around now however this is something women have been putting up with from men for centauries so well I don't have much sympathy on that one.

I am sure this is a basic view, I couldn't be bothered spending too much time on it. I think females are viewed as being innocent in nature when in actual fact a lot aren't and there is a lot of toxic behaviour in females, for some reason society isn't ready to acknowledge that.


You pass for being a woman who was casually interested in redpill about as well as my toaster passes as being a human. "Females" is not a word women use to describe women. The idea that society doesn't acknowledge that women can be awful is not something anyone who isn't deeply steeped in this stuff could say without laughing. Obviously, women can be awful. Obviously, if your only interest in someone is sleeping with them, you should not pretend to be their friend. Really, for their sake as much as for yours - the idea that the only person getting hurt when you pretend to be her friend is you is so lacking in empathy. Alimony is barely a thing, so the money your "friends" are paying after a divorce is going to support their kids - but hey, you're certainly free next time to partner with someone who makes a more similar income to you. It might mean making certain other trade-offs that you aren't interested in making - or are we only interrogating the romantic choices that women make here?

Oh, but you think the guys who believe women (sorry, "females") shouldn't vote are too extreme? Whoah, how moderate and reasonable of you.



I've heard that women don't like the term "females" applied to them. But how pervasive is this sentiment? On Reddit there's a sub called "Female Dating Strategy." They're definitely pro-women and I assume created by women. So why do they use "Female" in the name of the sub? I see in personal ads women refer to themselves as SWF, SBF, etc. Are these women simply unenlightened? Is this akin to blacks using the n-word as a term of endearment like the rap group NWA (I'm black if that matters).

I'm a man and never thought using the term male or female is derogatory. But I want to call people what they want to be called. I'm a professor and now make sure that if I use the term females I also use males.


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They always whine about how bad it is to be "friend zoned" but they don't realize how bad it is to be "sex zoned".

So this guy who I thought was my friend was just faking it because he wanted to sleep with me? Ouch. That sucks.


See, as a dude, that sounds *amazing.* I know the reality would be different. But, there was a comic a long time ago who did a bit about how a woman's bare minimum standard for a date exceeds a man's wildest expectation. "She's going to pay for everything and get me drunk so she can get into my pants?!?"


Men only think this would be amazing because they picture a hot woman. Imagine a 460lbs woman with a unibrow, mustache, and acne date raping you and it's not so fun anymore.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They always whine about how bad it is to be "friend zoned" but they don't realize how bad it is to be "sex zoned".

So this guy who I thought was my friend was just faking it because he wanted to sleep with me? Ouch. That sucks.


See, as a dude, that sounds *amazing.* I know the reality would be different. But, there was a comic a long time ago who did a bit about how a woman's bare minimum standard for a date exceeds a man's wildest expectation. "She's going to pay for everything and get me drunk so she can get into my pants?!?"


Men only think this would be amazing because they picture a hot woman. Imagine a 460lbs woman with a unibrow, mustache, and acne date raping you and it's not so fun anymore.


Yes, and imagine she also has a large stockpile of weapons and mental health problems.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They always whine about how bad it is to be "friend zoned" but they don't realize how bad it is to be "sex zoned".

So this guy who I thought was my friend was just faking it because he wanted to sleep with me? Ouch. That sucks.


See, as a dude, that sounds *amazing.* I know the reality would be different. But, there was a comic a long time ago who did a bit about how a woman's bare minimum standard for a date exceeds a man's wildest expectation. "She's going to pay for everything and get me drunk so she can get into my pants?!?"


Men only think this would be amazing because they picture a hot woman. Imagine a 460lbs woman with a unibrow, mustache, and acne date raping you and it's not so fun anymore.


Call me shallow, but I'm probably not going to be friends with that woman.
Anonymous
He isn't "they"

What did HE do/say/like?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They always whine about how bad it is to be "friend zoned" but they don't realize how bad it is to be "sex zoned".

So this guy who I thought was my friend was just faking it because he wanted to sleep with me? Ouch. That sucks.


See, as a dude, that sounds *amazing.* I know the reality would be different. But, there was a comic a long time ago who did a bit about how a woman's bare minimum standard for a date exceeds a man's wildest expectation. "She's going to pay for everything and get me drunk so she can get into my pants?!?"


I guess. But only if you want to date her exclusively. You forgot the part where if you show interest in sleeping with or even dating anyone else, your “friend” (or your “boss,” or your “co-worker”) gets secretly angry and accuses you of using them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They always whine about how bad it is to be "friend zoned" but they don't realize how bad it is to be "sex zoned".

So this guy who I thought was my friend was just faking it because he wanted to sleep with me? Ouch. That sucks.


See, as a dude, that sounds *amazing.* I know the reality would be different. But, there was a comic a long time ago who did a bit about how a woman's bare minimum standard for a date exceeds a man's wildest expectation. "She's going to pay for everything and get me drunk so she can get into my pants?!?"


Men only think this would be amazing because they picture a hot woman. Imagine a 460lbs woman with a unibrow, mustache, and acne date raping you and it's not so fun anymore.


Yes, and imagine she also has a large stockpile of weapons and mental health problems.


Not so fun then, is it?

I previously worked in a library and a cute thin guy asked me to retrieve some books for him. I asked him what the issue was, he couldn't find them?

Turns out a known female library user who pretty much met this pp's description of a red piller was standing in front of the books.

She was known around campus, an older student who was seriously as wide around as tall, and super sexual all the time. He told me he was seriously too scared to get the books, so I did it for him.

It's not so fun when a 5'10" 350 pound 35 year old horny woman with two chins wants to trap you behind a bookcase and have her way, and you are a thin college guy. She would have been delighted to get him drunk and take him home. I got the books for him and told him I completely understood.
Anonymous
We need to know more about what exactly he posted before passing judgement. Many red pill sites include general self-improvement discussion that is useful or that the OP's boyfriend may want to contribute to. For example, red pillers have a fascination with lifting weights and getting muscular, which while not a panacea for romance problems, can be part of a healthy lifestyle. Red pill also discusses the best career options for certain aptitudes, etc. Just because he posts on the site doesn't mean he supports the ideology. I post on this site and I'm not a Mom, nor a woman, and I don't live in the DC metro area.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We need to know more about what exactly he posted before passing judgement. Many red pill sites include general self-improvement discussion that is useful or that the OP's boyfriend may want to contribute to. For example, red pillers have a fascination with lifting weights and getting muscular, which while not a panacea for romance problems, can be part of a healthy lifestyle. Red pill also discusses the best career options for certain aptitudes, etc. Just because he posts on the site doesn't mean he supports the ideology. I post on this site and I'm not a Mom, nor a woman, and I don't live in the DC metro area.


In the 80s when I was growing up, it was fairly common for magazine articles or women talking about what they looked for in a man to have things like "a good sense of humor" or some non-physical attribute making the top of the lists. But looking around, it was pretty clear that muscular guys were doing well for themselves with attractive women. So, it was fairly easy to conclude that women were not exactly being forthright when they were talking about what they wanted in a man -- I don't know if this was because they didn't know themselves, were afraid of being slut-shamed, or were embarrassed to say they liked big biceps or whatever. I think it's better nowadays with women more likely to come out and let it be known that they can be every bit as shallow as men.
Anonymous
One of the things redpill exposes is the true nature of women for many guys who cannot figure that out. Guys are grown up to be respectful of women, apologize for their own sexual feelings towards women, and to think that women do not want sex. Redpills unmasks all of this by talking through the biology of the sexes. This is what can help former nice guys finally have success -- by stop treating her as a friend and make your intentions clear. This is confidence and it works.
Anonymous
It sounds like “The Rules” for guys.
Anonymous
I am kind of struck by the idea that some men feel that lying, being manipulative, and putting women on a pedestal is “nice,” while being forthright and honest and treating women as equals is “not nice.”
Of course women would rather date men who aren’t creepy and deceitful.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am kind of struck by the idea that some men feel that lying, being manipulative, and putting women on a pedestal is “nice,” while being forthright and honest and treating women as equals is “not nice.”
Of course women would rather date men who aren’t creepy and deceitful.


Right? There are so many men who aren’t like this. No way would I wade into that mess willingly. Every guy who I’ve ever heard speak positively about this red pill thing ha been insecure and strange. There are better options.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They always whine about how bad it is to be "friend zoned" but they don't realize how bad it is to be "sex zoned".

So this guy who I thought was my friend was just faking it because he wanted to sleep with me? Ouch. That sucks.


See, as a dude, that sounds *amazing.* I know the reality would be different. But, there was a comic a long time ago who did a bit about how a woman's bare minimum standard for a date exceeds a man's wildest expectation. "She's going to pay for everything and get me drunk so she can get into my pants?!?"


Men only think this would be amazing because they picture a hot woman. Imagine a 460lbs woman with a unibrow, mustache, and acne date raping you and it's not so fun anymore.


exactly. get groped by some sweaty drunk that has 100 pounds on you and see how amazing that is.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am kind of struck by the idea that some men feel that lying, being manipulative, and putting women on a pedestal is “nice,” while being forthright and honest and treating women as equals is “not nice.”
Of course women would rather date men who aren’t creepy and deceitful.


It's not all neckbeards who get sucked into Red Pill. Some guys are honestly nice but shy. They get passed over for self-centered dickheads too.
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