Little Fires Everywhere virtual watch party SPOILERS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought the finale was okay, and liked that Elena actually seemed to learn something, but don't understand why Pearl wanted to see the grandparents who rejected her and her mother instead of the father who had desperately wanted her. Not that I'm totally sympathetic to the latter, given the whole issue of a rich family's "buying" a young poor black girl's body and eggs with little regard for her well being.

Find it totally implausible the adoptive parents wouldn't have had a security system installed ffs. And heartless of them not to let the bio mother at least have limited visitation rights.

OMG, I’m so dumb. I didn’t realize it was the grandparents’ house, not the Ryan’s! Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the finale was okay, and liked that Elena actually seemed to learn something, but don't understand why Pearl wanted to see the grandparents who rejected her and her mother instead of the father who had desperately wanted her. Not that I'm totally sympathetic to the latter, given the whole issue of a rich family's "buying" a young poor black girl's body and eggs with little regard for her well being.

Find it totally implausible the adoptive parents wouldn't have had a security system installed ffs. And heartless of them not to let the bio mother at least have limited visitation rights.

I wouldn't describe Mia the college student and the family she came from as poor. And that's literally what a surrogate is - the purchase of a body for the purposes of growing a child. They knew it, Mia knew it. I don't see how the couple could be characterized as having "little regard" for Mia's well being although Mia certainly had little regard for the rights of the biological father.

She was a girl cut off from her family and desperate for money who clearly wouldn't have done it but for the financial exigency. And, yes, my point is precisely that surrogacy exploits people of low socioeconomic status. If they didn't need the money, and had other options, the vast majority wouldn't do it.

Mia was a typical college art student when she was approached by the soon-to-be-father on the train. He was attracted to her looks (just like his wife's), he wasn't after someone poor to take advantage of (again, in this story, not the case with surrogacy generally). The loss of her scholarship came later (that's when she decided to say yes) and the cut off from her family happened only in late pregnancy when they found out. I think it's a false take on the story to pretend Mia was taken advantage of, that the couple had "little regard" of Mia, and that somehow depriving Pearl of a loving father was ok given all that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the finale was okay, and liked that Elena actually seemed to learn something, but don't understand why Pearl wanted to see the grandparents who rejected her and her mother instead of the father who had desperately wanted her. Not that I'm totally sympathetic to the latter, given the whole issue of a rich family's "buying" a young poor black girl's body and eggs with little regard for her well being.

Find it totally implausible the adoptive parents wouldn't have had a security system installed ffs. And heartless of them not to let the bio mother at least have limited visitation rights.

I wouldn't describe Mia the college student and the family she came from as poor. And that's literally what a surrogate is - the purchase of a body for the purposes of growing a child. They knew it, Mia knew it. I don't see how the couple could be characterized as having "little regard" for Mia's well being although Mia certainly had little regard for the rights of the biological father.

She was a girl cut off from her family and desperate for money who clearly wouldn't have done it but for the financial exigency. And, yes, my point is precisely that surrogacy exploits people of low socioeconomic status. If they didn't need the money, and had other options, the vast majority wouldn't do it.

Mia was a typical college art student when she was approached by the soon-to-be-father on the train. He was attracted to her looks (just like his wife's), he wasn't after someone poor to take advantage of (again, in this story, not the case with surrogacy generally). The loss of her scholarship came later (that's when she decided to say yes) and the cut off from her family happened only in late pregnancy when they found out. I think it's a false take on the story to pretend Mia was taken advantage of, that the couple had "little regard" of Mia, and that somehow depriving Pearl of a loving father was ok given all that.

The only reason she decided to say yes, a crucial point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the finale was okay, and liked that Elena actually seemed to learn something, but don't understand why Pearl wanted to see the grandparents who rejected her and her mother instead of the father who had desperately wanted her. Not that I'm totally sympathetic to the latter, given the whole issue of a rich family's "buying" a young poor black girl's body and eggs with little regard for her well being.

Find it totally implausible the adoptive parents wouldn't have had a security system installed ffs. And heartless of them not to let the bio mother at least have limited visitation rights.

I wouldn't describe Mia the college student and the family she came from as poor. And that's literally what a surrogate is - the purchase of a body for the purposes of growing a child. They knew it, Mia knew it. I don't see how the couple could be characterized as having "little regard" for Mia's well being although Mia certainly had little regard for the rights of the biological father.

She was a girl cut off from her family and desperate for money who clearly wouldn't have done it but for the financial exigency. And, yes, my point is precisely that surrogacy exploits people of low socioeconomic status. If they didn't need the money, and had other options, the vast majority wouldn't do it.

She cut herself off from the family. Her parents didn't reject her, so much as they needed time to grieve their son and accept their daughter's choices. She didn't give them a chance to accept her.

[Anonymous]

No f**ks to give Pacey is my inspiration

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the finale was okay, and liked that Elena actually seemed to learn something, but don't understand why Pearl wanted to see the grandparents who rejected her and her mother instead of the father who had desperately wanted her. Not that I'm totally sympathetic to the latter, given the whole issue of a rich family's "buying" a young poor black girl's body and eggs with little regard for her well being.

Find it totally implausible the adoptive parents wouldn't have had a security system installed ffs. And heartless of them not to let the bio mother at least have limited visitation rights.

I wouldn't describe Mia the college student and the family she came from as poor. And that's literally what a surrogate is - the purchase of a body for the purposes of growing a child. They knew it, Mia knew it. I don't see how the couple could be characterized as having "little regard" for Mia's well being although Mia certainly had little regard for the rights of the biological father.

She was a girl cut off from her family and desperate for money who clearly wouldn't have done it but for the financial exigency. And, yes, my point is precisely that surrogacy exploits people of low socioeconomic status. If they didn't need the money, and had other options, the vast majority wouldn't do it.

She cut herself off from the family. Her parents didn't reject her, so much as they needed time to grieve their son and accept their daughter's choices. She didn't give them a chance to accept her.

Uh, they point blank told Elena they did not consider Mia's child their grandchild. That part of the ending made not sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No f**ks to give Pacey is my inspiration

This. (And omg I’m dumb again and did not realize that actor was Pacey!)

[Anonymous]

Also, how is Elena out running to the rental unit after "confessing" to arson?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the finale was okay, and liked that Elena actually seemed to learn something, but don't understand why Pearl wanted to see the grandparents who rejected her and her mother instead of the father who had desperately wanted her. Not that I'm totally sympathetic to the latter, given the whole issue of a rich family's "buying" a young poor black girl's body and eggs with little regard for her well being.

Find it totally implausible the adoptive parents wouldn't have had a security system installed ffs. And heartless of them not to let the bio mother at least have limited visitation rights.

I wouldn't describe Mia the college student and the family she came from as poor. And that's literally what a surrogate is - the purchase of a body for the purposes of growing a child. They knew it, Mia knew it. I don't see how the couple could be characterized as having "little regard" for Mia's well being although Mia certainly had little regard for the rights of the biological father.

She was a girl cut off from her family and desperate for money who clearly wouldn't have done it but for the financial exigency. And, yes, my point is precisely that surrogacy exploits people of low socioeconomic status. If they didn't need the money, and had other options, the vast majority wouldn't do it.

She cut herself off from the family. Her parents didn't reject her, so much as they needed time to grieve their son and accept their daughter's choices. She didn't give them a chance to accept her.

Mia has a habit of cutting and running quickly and without a lot of thought.

[Anonymous]

Like most of the show, the ending made no sense.

A group of siblings are "inspired" by their whiny sister to burn down their house? Just like that? Teenagers love their stuff. There's just no way. WTF.

And Izzy just...leaves? With no money, no clothes, and no friends? How did she buy a bus ticket? She must be totally mental if her dream is that Mia will pick her up and become her mom. Mia is an even bigger loon than Elena.

And LOL to the adoptive parents who--what?--left a window wide open for Bebe to crawl into? Did they also prop up a ladder on the side of the house to make it easier for her? Or maybe they just left the doors unlocked and cookies on the kitchen counter in case she wanted a snack? SO STUPID and unbelievable--literally, I don't believe it. And Bebe was in Niagara Falls--is she escaping to Canada? (Also, the wife there is NEVER going to forgive her husband for discouraging her to check on the baby. That's a divorce.)

And Elena just...remembers a bird feather from 7 years ago?

And Mia...good grief. You'd think she's all cried out, but...nope! Still a deep reserve of self-pity and lip-quivering. And she told Parl her parents disowned her. Another lie. They told her not to come to the funeral. That's not disowning. Mia was judgmental as hell then, and she still is. Of all the characters on this show, she is the one I have the least sympathy for.

[Anonymous]

Ok, so I haven’t completed watched the finale yet but I just fast forwarded to the ending to make sure they didn’t change the May Ling story.

I am VERY disappointed that they didn’t end it with Mayling in China! Surely they had the budget???? The ending of the book is SO good when they say that China is too big to find her. I was REALLY hoping for an ending with Bebe and Mayling in China.

Also....
In the book, who burns down the house?

[Anonymous]

In the book, Izzy disappears and Elena spends her life looking for her. She hated her, but then loses her and it destroys her. I sobbed when listening to the ending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so I haven’t completed watched the finale yet but I just fast forwarded to the ending to make sure they didn’t change the May Ling story.

I am VERY disappointed that they didn’t end it with Mayling in China! Surely they had the budget???? The ending of the book is SO good when they say that China is too big to find her. I was REALLY hoping for an ending with Bebe and Mayling in China.

Also....
In the book, who burns down the house?

Izzy

[Anonymous]

This was a horrible finale. It held to the book in a lot of ways but not for the final "fire."


One of the worst adaptations I've seen: plot and character (Mia).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so I haven’t completed watched the finale yet but I just fast forwarded to the ending to make sure they didn’t change the May Ling story.

I am VERY disappointed that they didn’t end it with Mayling in China! Surely they had the budget???? The ending of the book is SO good when they say that China is too big to find her. I was REALLY hoping for an ending with Bebe and Mayling in China.

Also....
In the book, who burns down the house?

Izzy

Yes stated in the first page on the book. Glad they changed it, more interesting to have the siblings realize how awful their mom could be after the horrible things she said to Izzy and "burn down the (perfect) house." Good metaphor.