Familiarity with a disruptive kid in the classroom (FCPS) - what to do?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, all of the speculation about the other child doesn't solve your problem. Here is how to solve your problem.

You immediately schedule an appointment with the Principal. At the meeting you tell the Principal that 1) your child feels unsafe and in danger on a daily basis, 2) your child is not able to learn because she is feeling unsafe and constantly on edge because she is concerned about being hurt or that another outburst will occur, and 3) your child needs a placement that provides her with the same gifted services but removed from the danger. It will help your case immeasurably if you document several instances that were particularly egregious and describe the negative impact on your child.

You should encourage other parents to go in and argue the same points. If enough voices are raised then the other child will be moved to a placement better suited to his needs. Until then the school system is content to let the situation occur. If there is not a major change in a week then you escalate.

In other words, right now the other child's parents are being the squeaky wheel. You need to out-squeak them.

In other words, you are advising OP to lie. The original post said "It has come to our attention that my child's classroom has a gifted child with social issues...Apparently this has been doing on since the beginning of the year but we just learned of it." Hard to believe it is having such an adverse impact on OP's child when nothing had been mentioned until now.

There is no liar here except you. You've conveniently left out the 2nd sentence. Here is OP's full 1st paragraph. I've highlighted the relevant sentences since you seem to have reading comprehension issues.

It has come to our attention that my child's classroom has a gifted child with social issues. He will attack other kids, throw desks and disrupt the classroom. Apparently this has been doing on since the beginning of the year but we just learned of it. We have asked our kid to tell us when these incidents happen and what they are. It happens as infrequently as once a week and as frequently as three times a week. When an incident happens they clear everyone else from the classroom and they sit in the hallway until the kid can be calmed down. No one can touch the kid and a counselor and principal are brought in.

Tell the truth, PP. Always. Shame on you for not telling the truth.

How does adding back in any of that change the fact that the parent just found out about this. Her kid can't be that traumatized if she never mentioned it before now! Therefore how can it be said the kid feels unsafe on a daily basis and is unable to learn?

Sure, go ahead and complain, and document. But do it honestly.

DP. Oh, come on. You are being truly awful here. I was sexually assaulted as a child, but was too scared to tell anyone for a very long time. Are you going to tell me too that I didn't feel unsafe and wasn't traumatized because I didn't tell anyone? Is that really your take on kids?

Are you actually comparing the behavior of a dysregulated child to that of an adult child molester/predator. Get help. Stop projecting.

I was repeatedly sexually assaulted by a fellow student, not an adult. I went to school every day regardless. I told no adult because I was terrified. Your insistence that a child who doesn't talk about trauma at school isn't traumatized is horrific. You are truly an awful person.

Again get help. I am not an awful person and I think people need to be stop throwing around the trauma drama. It is trivializes true trauma victims. There are adults in the room tasked with protecting these kids. Nothing is happening behind closed doors in secret. You might not like how it is being addressed but it is being addressed.

New poster here - and yes, you are truly awful. YOU need to get help. How DARE you tell someone their trauma of repeated sexual assault is nothing but unnecessary "drama"?? I am astounded by how obtuse you are about the original post (the PP is right, just because the kid didn't start talking about it until now doesn't mean they weren't being affected by it - Are you truly that stupid?), and how horrible you are to downplay someone else's childhood sexual assaults. You SUCK

I would be offended by your comments if you weren’t so obviously simple minded, emotionally challenged and fragile. Get a grip and read the post again. No one downplayed sex assault. I said stop equating the trauma experienced by a victim of sex assault to that of a child who wotnesss another child in a meltdown. One has nothing to do with the other and the poster who brought it in to the picture has unresolved issues. That attitude is why kids with SN are discriminated against. There are degrees of everything so you get a grip too. And maybe take a course in general reading comp.

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Anonymous wrote:Unlikely. I have worked in several of the contract schools and the FCPS special ed schools. They are vastly inferior in every way to neighborhood schools. You have no idea how bare bones the education offered to these kids is.

Then this is where parents of special ed kids need to focus their energy. That setting should not be inferior or bare bones.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, all of the speculation about the other child doesn't solve your problem. Here is how to solve your problem.

You immediately schedule an appointment with the Principal. At the meeting you tell the Principal that 1) your child feels unsafe and in danger on a daily basis, 2) your child is not able to learn because she is feeling unsafe and constantly on edge because she is concerned about being hurt or that another outburst will occur, and 3) your child needs a placement that provides her with the same gifted services but removed from the danger. It will help your case immeasurably if you document several instances that were particularly egregious and describe the negative impact on your child.

You should encourage other parents to go in and argue the same points. If enough voices are raised then the other child will be moved to a placement better suited to his needs. Until then the school system is content to let the situation occur. If there is not a major change in a week then you escalate.

In other words, right now the other child's parents are being the squeaky wheel. You need to out-squeak them.

In other words, you are advising OP to lie. The original post said "It has come to our attention that my child's classroom has a gifted child with social issues...Apparently this has been doing on since the beginning of the year but we just learned of it." Hard to believe it is having such an adverse impact on OP's child when nothing had been mentioned until now.

There is no liar here except you. You've conveniently left out the 2nd sentence. Here is OP's full 1st paragraph. I've highlighted the relevant sentences since you seem to have reading comprehension issues.

It has come to our attention that my child's classroom has a gifted child with social issues. He will attack other kids, throw desks and disrupt the classroom. Apparently this has been doing on since the beginning of the year but we just learned of it. We have asked our kid to tell us when these incidents happen and what they are. It happens as infrequently as once a week and as frequently as three times a week. When an incident happens they clear everyone else from the classroom and they sit in the hallway until the kid can be calmed down. No one can touch the kid and a counselor and principal are brought in.

Tell the truth, PP. Always. Shame on you for not telling the truth.

How does adding back in any of that change the fact that the parent just found out about this. Her kid can't be that traumatized if she never mentioned it before now! Therefore how can it be said the kid feels unsafe on a daily basis and is unable to learn?

Sure, go ahead and complain, and document. But do it honestly.

DP. Oh, come on. You are being truly awful here. I was sexually assaulted as a child, but was too scared to tell anyone for a very long time. Are you going to tell me too that I didn't feel unsafe and wasn't traumatized because I didn't tell anyone? Is that really your take on kids?

Are you actually comparing the behavior of a dysregulated child to that of an adult child molester/predator. Get help. Stop projecting.

I was repeatedly sexually assaulted by a fellow student, not an adult. I went to school every day regardless. I told no adult because I was terrified. Your insistence that a child who doesn't talk about trauma at school isn't traumatized is horrific. You are truly an awful person.

Again get help. I am not an awful person and I think people need to be stop throwing around the trauma drama. It is trivializes true trauma victims. There are adults in the room tasked with protecting these kids. Nothing is happening behind closed doors in secret. You might not like how it is being addressed but it is being addressed.

You don't think seeing someone act violently, including throwing chairs and desks, is traumatic for children? No one is throwing around trauma drama in this situation. It is unhealthy and traumatic long term for kids to be regularly exposed to such violent behavior. It doesn't matter if it's out in the open, it's still negatively impacting the kids who are forced to witness violence on a regular basis.

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Anonymous wrote:And FYI I went through FCPS many years ago and had a fellow student grab my private parts whenever he passed me in the hallway. I told no one. He wasn’t doing it in private, others saw it and said nothing either. Teachers knew it was happening and said nothing no. It was a different time. These behaviors aren’t being ignored. The school is acknowledging the problem and trying to fix it. The children are seeing a classmate who is out of control up close and personal. Maybe they are learning valuable life skills as a result. Life skills that might help them to avoid becoming victims of trauma down the road.

Valuable life skills like being violent is ok, there are no consequences? That if someone is violent, their rights trump yours, you should just cower in the hallway and take it? Kids who witness violence are more susceptible to being violent themselves, or to being more accepting of violence from others because they learned early on to just take it in order to be the peacemaker. Maybe you can volunteer your kid for this classroom so he can get all the valuable life lessons you see here.

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Anonymous wrote:These poor children. I’m so sorry for all of the little souls going through this. Good reminder to always strive for kindness.

I’m sorry for the normal kids who deserve an education and safety.

So kids with disabilities are not "normal" and don't deserve to be safe or to receive an education? All kids deserve this.

No, some disabilities are not normal. Throwing desks is not normal. Clearing the classroom so that all of the other students are safe is not normal.

Until your kid can act normal, he/she should not be in a normal class with kids who are in control of their faculties and act normal.

Thank goodness you are not one of the decision makers at FCPS.

Thank goodness there are some parents who will do the right thing and call the police if their child is harmed, so that FCPS decision makers are forced to make the right decisions. Once violence is involved, the police need to be involved if the school refuses to take action to protect the other kids. While you think tolerating and accommodating violence in a classroom is normal, it isn't normal to most reasonable people.

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Anonymous wrote:Family friends in FCPS who have a disruptive child, severe ADHD, have spent many hours and funds on therapy yet he still hits other students and recently the teacher. He's always had issues since he was a toddler and was kicked out of preschools. I feel so bad for the family (other kids are fine)! I think he needed early intervention services but his needs were not identified as he was home with a nanny until 4 and perhaps parents were in denial thinking he would grow out of it.

He had an IEP, lots of FCPS counseling services, many warnings and suspensions, but he is now headed for a special needs school for emotionally disturbed students. Parents are devasted.

But why are they devastated? It's probably going to be a much better environment for their kid. I've seen that kid in a public school. It's really hard for them. No kids want to eat lunch with them, play with them, or be their partner. And that certainly doesn't help with their behavior. I know no one wants the label of "emotionally disturbed" but FCPS was clearly not a good environment either

I'm not the friend of this family, but, is it hard to imagine why this would be devastating? The kid is being sent to an inferior school, where he will receiving little to nothing in the way of an actual education, will have to travel a long distance from home every day, won't make any friends, and will lose ties to the local community. If / when he's able to return to a regular school he won't know anyone, will be far behind other kids in his grade and will have to work so much harder just to catch up. And in FCPS they know that when their kid misbehaves in one of these schools he will be locked in a closet as punishment. Depending on how long he's stuck in one of these schools, throw away any hope of the kid going to college -- the high schools don't offer the necessary classes (like foreign language) that you need to get into any decent schools. The parents are coming to grips with the fact that the school has given up on their kid. And even if they had the resources to go private, nobody wants to take a kid with behavioral issues. The family knows that things are not working in the current school, and does not want their kid to be disruptive or god forbid hurt anyone -- but that doesn't make it any easier to know that without a proper education the kid has no hope of having a decent future.

DP here. Religious schools are always an option.

Home schooling is always an option too.

What part of EVERY child is entitled to an education do you not understand?

Oh we know. We just think it’s BS that your kid’s education can cost the county $50k while every other kid gets the shaft.

Not to worry, if your child acts like that they may get the privilege of a $50K a year school too. Really, be grateful that your child doesn't have mental health, cognitive or any other issues that cause him or her to behave that way. Its easy to criticize, its harder to actually help.

Here is the confusion. My responsibility is to my children not yours. You are certainly not wasting any mental space thinking about how your child affects mine. It’s all about getting your entitlements and consequences to others be damned.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, all of the speculation about the other child doesn't solve your problem. Here is how to solve your problem.

You immediately schedule an appointment with the Principal. At the meeting you tell the Principal that 1) your child feels unsafe and in danger on a daily basis, 2) your child is not able to learn because she is feeling unsafe and constantly on edge because she is concerned about being hurt or that another outburst will occur, and 3) your child needs a placement that provides her with the same gifted services but removed from the danger. It will help your case immeasurably if you document several instances that were particularly egregious and describe the negative impact on your child.

You should encourage other parents to go in and argue the same points. If enough voices are raised then the other child will be moved to a placement better suited to his needs. Until then the school system is content to let the situation occur. If there is not a major change in a week then you escalate.

In other words, right now the other child's parents are being the squeaky wheel. You need to out-squeak them.

In other words, you are advising OP to lie. The original post said "It has come to our attention that my child's classroom has a gifted child with social issues...Apparently this has been doing on since the beginning of the year but we just learned of it." Hard to believe it is having such an adverse impact on OP's child when nothing had been mentioned until now.

There is no liar here except you. You've conveniently left out the 2nd sentence. Here is OP's full 1st paragraph. I've highlighted the relevant sentences since you seem to have reading comprehension issues.

It has come to our attention that my child's classroom has a gifted child with social issues. He will attack other kids, throw desks and disrupt the classroom. Apparently this has been doing on since the beginning of the year but we just learned of it. We have asked our kid to tell us when these incidents happen and what they are. It happens as infrequently as once a week and as frequently as three times a week. When an incident happens they clear everyone else from the classroom and they sit in the hallway until the kid can be calmed down. No one can touch the kid and a counselor and principal are brought in.

Tell the truth, PP. Always. Shame on you for not telling the truth.

How does adding back in any of that change the fact that the parent just found out about this. Her kid can't be that traumatized if she never mentioned it before now! Therefore how can it be said the kid feels unsafe on a daily basis and is unable to learn?

Sure, go ahead and complain, and document. But do it honestly.

DP. Oh, come on. You are being truly awful here. I was sexually assaulted as a child, but was too scared to tell anyone for a very long time. Are you going to tell me too that I didn't feel unsafe and wasn't traumatized because I didn't tell anyone? Is that really your take on kids?

Are you actually comparing the behavior of a dysregulated child to that of an adult child molester/predator. Get help. Stop projecting.

I was repeatedly sexually assaulted by a fellow student, not an adult. I went to school every day regardless. I told no adult because I was terrified. Your insistence that a child who doesn't talk about trauma at school isn't traumatized is horrific. You are truly an awful person.

Again get help. I am not an awful person and I think people need to be stop throwing around the trauma drama. It is trivializes true trauma victims. There are adults in the room tasked with protecting these kids. Nothing is happening behind closed doors in secret. You might not like how it is being addressed but it is being addressed.

New poster here - and yes, you are truly awful. YOU need to get help. How DARE you tell someone their trauma of repeated sexual assault is nothing but unnecessary "drama"?? I am astounded by how obtuse you are about the original post (the PP is right, just because the kid didn't start talking about it until now doesn't mean they weren't being affected by it - Are you truly that stupid?), and how horrible you are to downplay someone else's childhood sexual assaults. You SUCK

I would be offended by your comments if you weren’t so obviously simple minded, emotionally challenged and fragile. Get a grip and read the post again. No one downplayed sex assault. I said stop equating the trauma experienced by a victim of sex assault to that of a child who wotnesss another child in a meltdown. One has nothing to do with the other and the poster who brought it in to the picture has unresolved issues. That attitude is why kids with SN are discriminated against. There are degrees of everything so you get a grip too. And maybe take a course in general reading comp.

DP. It's people with attitudes like yours who cause special needs kids to be discriminated against. The fact that you think people should accept their child being subjected to violent behavior on a regular basis as normal creates resentment towards special needs kids. There has to be a line where inclusion in a regular classroom is denied. I think that line is when there is continuous violent outbursts that threaten the safety of other children. Your dismissal of the legitimate concerns about physical safety of the other students as "trauma drama" can create overall resentment towards inclusion classrooms if parents feel that even their kids' physically safety is trivialize and disregarded. You're not helping special needs kids with your dismissive attitude and attacks on other posters.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, all of the speculation about the other child doesn't solve your problem. Here is how to solve your problem.

You immediately schedule an appointment with the Principal. At the meeting you tell the Principal that 1) your child feels unsafe and in danger on a daily basis, 2) your child is not able to learn because she is feeling unsafe and constantly on edge because she is concerned about being hurt or that another outburst will occur, and 3) your child needs a placement that provides her with the same gifted services but removed from the danger. It will help your case immeasurably if you document several instances that were particularly egregious and describe the negative impact on your child.

You should encourage other parents to go in and argue the same points. If enough voices are raised then the other child will be moved to a placement better suited to his needs. Until then the school system is content to let the situation occur. If there is not a major change in a week then you escalate.

In other words, right now the other child's parents are being the squeaky wheel. You need to out-squeak them.

In other words, you are advising OP to lie. The original post said "It has come to our attention that my child's classroom has a gifted child with social issues...Apparently this has been doing on since the beginning of the year but we just learned of it." Hard to believe it is having such an adverse impact on OP's child when nothing had been mentioned until now.

There is no liar here except you. You've conveniently left out the 2nd sentence. Here is OP's full 1st paragraph. I've highlighted the relevant sentences since you seem to have reading comprehension issues.

It has come to our attention that my child's classroom has a gifted child with social issues. He will attack other kids, throw desks and disrupt the classroom. Apparently this has been doing on since the beginning of the year but we just learned of it. We have asked our kid to tell us when these incidents happen and what they are. It happens as infrequently as once a week and as frequently as three times a week. When an incident happens they clear everyone else from the classroom and they sit in the hallway until the kid can be calmed down. No one can touch the kid and a counselor and principal are brought in.

Tell the truth, PP. Always. Shame on you for not telling the truth.

How does adding back in any of that change the fact that the parent just found out about this. Her kid can't be that traumatized if she never mentioned it before now! Therefore how can it be said the kid feels unsafe on a daily basis and is unable to learn?

Sure, go ahead and complain, and document. But do it honestly.

DP. Oh, come on. You are being truly awful here. I was sexually assaulted as a child, but was too scared to tell anyone for a very long time. Are you going to tell me too that I didn't feel unsafe and wasn't traumatized because I didn't tell anyone? Is that really your take on kids?

Are you actually comparing the behavior of a dysregulated child to that of an adult child molester/predator. Get help. Stop projecting.

I was repeatedly sexually assaulted by a fellow student, not an adult. I went to school every day regardless. I told no adult because I was terrified. Your insistence that a child who doesn't talk about trauma at school isn't traumatized is horrific. You are truly an awful person.

Again get help. I am not an awful person and I think people need to be stop throwing around the trauma drama. It is trivializes true trauma victims. There are adults in the room tasked with protecting these kids. Nothing is happening behind closed doors in secret. You might not like how it is being addressed but it is being addressed.

New poster here - and yes, you are truly awful. YOU need to get help. How DARE you tell someone their trauma of repeated sexual assault is nothing but unnecessary "drama"?? I am astounded by how obtuse you are about the original post (the PP is right, just because the kid didn't start talking about it until now doesn't mean they weren't being affected by it - Are you truly that stupid?), and how horrible you are to downplay someone else's childhood sexual assaults. You SUCK

I would be offended by your comments if you weren’t so obviously simple minded, emotionally challenged and fragile. Get a grip and read the post again. No one downplayed sex assault. I said stop equating the trauma experienced by a victim of sex assault to that of a child who wotnesss another child in a meltdown. One has nothing to do with the other and the poster who brought it in to the picture has unresolved issues. That attitude is why kids with SN are discriminated against. There are degrees of everything so you get a grip too. And maybe take a course in general reading comp.

DP. It's people with attitudes like yours who cause special needs kids to be discriminated against. The fact that you think people should accept their child being subjected to violent behavior on a regular basis as normal creates resentment towards special needs kids. There has to be a line where inclusion in a regular classroom is denied. I think that line is when there is continuous violent outbursts that threaten the safety of other children. Your dismissal of the legitimate concerns about physical safety of the other students as "trauma drama" can create overall resentment towards inclusion classrooms if parents feel that even their kids' physically safety is trivialize and disregarded. You're not helping special needs kids with your dismissive attitude and attacks on other posters.

Why waste your time In here. I am merely one person who thinks you are misguided. Put the word out. I here the Voices if Fairfax/Great Falls are looking for a new cause. Maybe you could start a lobby to change Federal law.

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DD was disruptive. Turns out that the school wasn't sending her to the nurse to get her meds, which was making the behavior so much worse. Amazing how the behavior changed when we found out about this and they stopped withholding her medication. Instead of pitting child against child in this discussion, how about holding the schools accountable for doing the right thing, following the laws, and providing the appropriate educational opportunities somewhere for every child?

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It never ceases to amaze me how clueless some can be. I know two families whose above average kids were in the GT program (when it was GT), meanwhile wanting their mentally challenged child to stay in the general education classroom. I didn't resent it because I would not want to walk in their shoes, but I did find it ironic. They wanted one child to be separated from the rest into a "superior" group, but wanted the other child to stay with the regular kids. Both of these families' mentally challenged kids did eventually end up in a more appropriate setting for them, but the families really fought it.

This is one reason I find the AAP program so confusing. Why should smarter kids be separated but mentally challenged not? Makes no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, all of the speculation about the other child doesn't solve your problem. Here is how to solve your problem.

You immediately schedule an appointment with the Principal. At the meeting you tell the Principal that 1) your child feels unsafe and in danger on a daily basis, 2) your child is not able to learn because she is feeling unsafe and constantly on edge because she is concerned about being hurt or that another outburst will occur, and 3) your child needs a placement that provides her with the same gifted services but removed from the danger. It will help your case immeasurably if you document several instances that were particularly egregious and describe the negative impact on your child.

You should encourage other parents to go in and argue the same points. If enough voices are raised then the other child will be moved to a placement better suited to his needs. Until then the school system is content to let the situation occur. If there is not a major change in a week then you escalate.

In other words, right now the other child's parents are being the squeaky wheel. You need to out-squeak them.

In other words, you are advising OP to lie. The original post said "It has come to our attention that my child's classroom has a gifted child with social issues...Apparently this has been doing on since the beginning of the year but we just learned of it." Hard to believe it is having such an adverse impact on OP's child when nothing had been mentioned until now.

There is no liar here except you. You've conveniently left out the 2nd sentence. Here is OP's full 1st paragraph. I've highlighted the relevant sentences since you seem to have reading comprehension issues.

It has come to our attention that my child's classroom has a gifted child with social issues. He will attack other kids, throw desks and disrupt the classroom. Apparently this has been doing on since the beginning of the year but we just learned of it. We have asked our kid to tell us when these incidents happen and what they are. It happens as infrequently as once a week and as frequently as three times a week. When an incident happens they clear everyone else from the classroom and they sit in the hallway until the kid can be calmed down. No one can touch the kid and a counselor and principal are brought in.

Tell the truth, PP. Always. Shame on you for not telling the truth.

How does adding back in any of that change the fact that the parent just found out about this. Her kid can't be that traumatized if she never mentioned it before now! Therefore how can it be said the kid feels unsafe on a daily basis and is unable to learn?

Sure, go ahead and complain, and document. But do it honestly.

DP. Oh, come on. You are being truly awful here. I was sexually assaulted as a child, but was too scared to tell anyone for a very long time. Are you going to tell me too that I didn't feel unsafe and wasn't traumatized because I didn't tell anyone? Is that really your take on kids?

Are you actually comparing the behavior of a dysregulated child to that of an adult child molester/predator. Get help. Stop projecting.

I was repeatedly sexually assaulted by a fellow student, not an adult. I went to school every day regardless. I told no adult because I was terrified. Your insistence that a child who doesn't talk about trauma at school isn't traumatized is horrific. You are truly an awful person.

Again get help. I am not an awful person and I think people need to be stop throwing around the trauma drama. It is trivializes true trauma victims. There are adults in the room tasked with protecting these kids. Nothing is happening behind closed doors in secret. You might not like how it is being addressed but it is being addressed.

New poster here - and yes, you are truly awful. YOU need to get help. How DARE you tell someone their trauma of repeated sexual assault is nothing but unnecessary "drama"?? I am astounded by how obtuse you are about the original post (the PP is right, just because the kid didn't start talking about it until now doesn't mean they weren't being affected by it - Are you truly that stupid?), and how horrible you are to downplay someone else's childhood sexual assaults. You SUCK

I would be offended by your comments if you weren’t so obviously simple minded, emotionally challenged and fragile. Get a grip and read the post again. No one downplayed sex assault. I said stop equating the trauma experienced by a victim of sex assault to that of a child who wotnesss another child in a meltdown. One has nothing to do with the other and the poster who brought it in to the picture has unresolved issues. That attitude is why kids with SN are discriminated against. There are degrees of everything so you get a grip too. And maybe take a course in general reading comp.

My God, you are awful. I feel like I am getting an object lesson into the parenting mindset of people who raise criminals by watching your posts. Is there anything violent that your child does to other kids that you don't excuse or minimize?

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Anonymous wrote:It never ceases to amaze me how clueless some can be. I know two families whose above average kids were in the GT program (when it was GT), meanwhile wanting their mentally challenged child to stay in the general education classroom. I didn't resent it because I would not want to walk in their shoes, but I did find it ironic. They wanted one child to be separated from the rest into a "superior" group, but wanted the other child to stay with the regular kids. Both of these families' mentally challenged kids did eventually end up in a more appropriate setting for them, but the families really fought it.

This is one reason I find the AAP program so confusing. Why should smarter kids be separated but mentally challenged not? Makes no sense.

In both cases they want their child to be challenged. Selecting something for enrichment is different than being forced into a program due to deficits. There's not a negative stigma about being in a GT program the way there is about being in an ID class. Perhaps they were concerned about the quality of education in the ID class. Not a defense of AAP, just an explanation of why the families may not feel that they are being inconsistent.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, all of the speculation about the other child doesn't solve your problem. Here is how to solve your problem.

You immediately schedule an appointment with the Principal. At the meeting you tell the Principal that 1) your child feels unsafe and in danger on a daily basis, 2) your child is not able to learn because she is feeling unsafe and constantly on edge because she is concerned about being hurt or that another outburst will occur, and 3) your child needs a placement that provides her with the same gifted services but removed from the danger. It will help your case immeasurably if you document several instances that were particularly egregious and describe the negative impact on your child.

You should encourage other parents to go in and argue the same points. If enough voices are raised then the other child will be moved to a placement better suited to his needs. Until then the school system is content to let the situation occur. If there is not a major change in a week then you escalate.

In other words, right now the other child's parents are being the squeaky wheel. You need to out-squeak them.

In other words, you are advising OP to lie. The original post said "It has come to our attention that my child's classroom has a gifted child with social issues...Apparently this has been doing on since the beginning of the year but we just learned of it." Hard to believe it is having such an adverse impact on OP's child when nothing had been mentioned until now.

There is no liar here except you. You've conveniently left out the 2nd sentence. Here is OP's full 1st paragraph. I've highlighted the relevant sentences since you seem to have reading comprehension issues.

It has come to our attention that my child's classroom has a gifted child with social issues. He will attack other kids, throw desks and disrupt the classroom. Apparently this has been doing on since the beginning of the year but we just learned of it. We have asked our kid to tell us when these incidents happen and what they are. It happens as infrequently as once a week and as frequently as three times a week. When an incident happens they clear everyone else from the classroom and they sit in the hallway until the kid can be calmed down. No one can touch the kid and a counselor and principal are brought in.

Tell the truth, PP. Always. Shame on you for not telling the truth.

How does adding back in any of that change the fact that the parent just found out about this. Her kid can't be that traumatized if she never mentioned it before now! Therefore how can it be said the kid feels unsafe on a daily basis and is unable to learn?

Sure, go ahead and complain, and document. But do it honestly.

DP. Oh, come on. You are being truly awful here. I was sexually assaulted as a child, but was too scared to tell anyone for a very long time. Are you going to tell me too that I didn't feel unsafe and wasn't traumatized because I didn't tell anyone? Is that really your take on kids?

Are you actually comparing the behavior of a dysregulated child to that of an adult child molester/predator. Get help. Stop projecting.

I was repeatedly sexually assaulted by a fellow student, not an adult. I went to school every day regardless. I told no adult because I was terrified. Your insistence that a child who doesn't talk about trauma at school isn't traumatized is horrific. You are truly an awful person.

Again get help. I am not an awful person and I think people need to be stop throwing around the trauma drama. It is trivializes true trauma victims. There are adults in the room tasked with protecting these kids. Nothing is happening behind closed doors in secret. You might not like how it is being addressed but it is being addressed.

New poster here - and yes, you are truly awful. YOU need to get help. How DARE you tell someone their trauma of repeated sexual assault is nothing but unnecessary "drama"?? I am astounded by how obtuse you are about the original post (the PP is right, just because the kid didn't start talking about it until now doesn't mean they weren't being affected by it - Are you truly that stupid?), and how horrible you are to downplay someone else's childhood sexual assaults. You SUCK

I would be offended by your comments if you weren’t so obviously simple minded, emotionally challenged and fragile. Get a grip and read the post again. No one downplayed sex assault. I said stop equating the trauma experienced by a victim of sex assault to that of a child who wotnesss another child in a meltdown. One has nothing to do with the other and the poster who brought it in to the picture has unresolved issues. That attitude is why kids with SN are discriminated against. There are degrees of everything so you get a grip too. And maybe take a course in general reading comp.

My God, you are awful. I feel like I am getting an object lesson into the parenting mindset of people who raise criminals by watching your posts. Is there anything violent that your child does to other kids that you don't excuse or minimize?

Of course not. It’s not her fault or her kid’s. It’s just that “his needs weren’t being met.”

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In our ES, one class per grade (out of 5) is deemed “the inclusion class.” Although the school does not advertise it, you can request your child NOT be put in this class. Which we have done every year since a horrific kindergarten experience.

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Anonymous wrote:In our ES, one class per grade (out of 5) is deemed “the inclusion class.” Although the school does not advertise it, you can request your child NOT be put in this class. Which we have done every year since a horrific kindergarten experience.

I actually fought to take my kid out if special Ed. in order for him not to be in the inclusion class. It was awful. He didn't get any attention or help with reading because the special Ed teacher and aide had to spend all their time on behavior issues. There were 4 kids who needed to be in a classroom with one special Ed teacher and 2 aides and maybe 10 kids max. They just couldn't function in a class of 24. What happened to special Ed classes where kids spent the majority of the day in them? And when they were ready they were gradually included? There should be a class like that that is k-2, 3-4, 5-6 on every elementary campus.