Why deny UVA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA doesn’t negotiate financial aid. Just ask around.

The point would still be that they are largely locked in to what UVA offers and then can't compare to other offers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just googled UVA starting salary

“As of Aug. 21, 98% of the undergraduate Class of 2018 indicated they had accepted a position (92%), were enrolling in or seeking to enroll in graduate school (5%), or were not in the job market (1%). The average annual base salary for the undergraduate Class of 2018 is $75,068; the median annual base salary is $75,000.”

You Googled wrong. That is only McIntire. You'd need to get all undergraduates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many of the students who go to UVA (not all) are a snobbish lot, and their attitudes make people dislike them and the school. A lot of the snobby students are from Nova.

Because they've never left their bubbles. It's an insular and provincial public college. Nothing more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If powerful aliens came to earth and judged us by these threads, they'd wipe us all out without a second thought.

So true. And they’d be justified.

[Anonymous]

You have to be really careful when comparing salaries and trying to draw conclusions. First, women graduates on average only make a little over 80% as much as male college graduates. The factors could be outright discrimination, a motherhood penalty, and a tendency for women to choose majors with lower earnings. The upshot is, a school with comparatively more men will tend to have higher earnings than one with more women. Mix of majors is a huge factor. Schools with a higher percentage of in demand tech graduates will often have higher salaries. But it isn't necessarily the school per se that is bestowing the earnings advantage -- it comes down to the choice of major. So you really need to compare specifically for a major or intended field.

Back to Virginia Tech, it has a higher percentage of men and a high percentage of engineering graduates. This is going to skew earnings data. But you need to evaluate based on your major. (Note that another school that comes out high in earnings is VMI, which is overwhelmingly male.)

[Anonymous]

Interesting discussion.

I do think this will make a lot of people happy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But in that time, applications have exploded. What about in the last 2-3 years?

Yes, look at the oversubscription problem this year at Virginia Tech. 1800 surplus students accepted. Another thread just posted this - VT offering $1000 for students NOT to show up! Same is happening at other VA universities that were oversubscribed. https://www.roanoke.com/news/education/higher_education/virginia_tech/some-incoming-freshman-offered-money-to-delay-start-relieve-virginia/article_6ed2a7b2-3b31-500a-a810-e3f968866c3b.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA was over-enrolled this year and didn't even go to the waitlist for Arts & Sciences and Engineering. This is a good way to manage enrollment for such a popular and prestigious school. UVA is also one of only a small number of colleges who are both need blind in admissions and guarantees to meet 100 percent of a student's demonstrated financial need. So there is no reason why any student -- rich or poor -- [b]who knows that UVA is their number one choice shouldn't apply ED.

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You are missing the point that they won't know the composition of that aid (grant vs. loan) or the other elements of that package vs. other options before they have to make their decision. And you can certainly manage enrollment through other means. This is more often used to increase yield.

There is no ED (binding) at UVA. Only privates that are playing with yield statistics for USN&WR (Wash & Lee; Chicago; Northwestern, etc.) are doing that - especially ED1 and ED2 - that's all about the university pushing up its yield numbers. UVA doesn't engage in yield protection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA was over-enrolled this year and didn't even go to the waitlist for Arts & Sciences and Engineering. This is a good way to manage enrollment for such a popular and prestigious school. UVA is also one of only a small number of colleges who are both need blind in admissions and guarantees to meet 100 percent of a student's demonstrated financial need. So there is no reason why any student -- rich or poor -- [b]who knows that UVA is their number one choice shouldn't apply ED.

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You are missing the point that they won't know the composition of that aid (grant vs. loan) or the other elements of that package vs. other options before they have to make their decision. And you can certainly manage enrollment through other means. This is more often used to increase yield.

There is no ED (binding) at UVA. Only privates that are playing with yield statistics for USN&WR (Wash & Lee; Chicago; Northwestern, etc.) are doing that - especially ED1 and ED2 - that's all about the university pushing up its yield numbers. UVA doesn't engage in yield protection.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-adds-early-decision-option-prospective-applicants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA was over-enrolled this year and didn't even go to the waitlist for Arts & Sciences and Engineering. This is a good way to manage enrollment for such a popular and prestigious school. UVA is also one of only a small number of colleges who are both need blind in admissions and guarantees to meet 100 percent of a student's demonstrated financial need. So there is no reason why any student -- rich or poor -- [b]who knows that UVA is their number one choice shouldn't apply ED.

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You are missing the point that they won't know the composition of that aid (grant vs. loan) or the other elements of that package vs. other options before they have to make their decision. And you can certainly manage enrollment through other means. This is more often used to increase yield.

There is no ED (binding) at UVA. Only privates that are playing with yield statistics for USN&WR (Wash & Lee; Chicago; Northwestern, etc.) are doing that - especially ED1 and ED2 - that's all about the university pushing up its yield numbers. UVA doesn't engage in yield protection.

You missed the news. They will have ED, EA, and RD next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA was over-enrolled this year and didn't even go to the waitlist for Arts & Sciences and Engineering. This is a good way to manage enrollment for such a popular and prestigious school. UVA is also one of only a small number of colleges who are both need blind in admissions and guarantees to meet 100 percent of a student's demonstrated financial need. So there is no reason why any student -- rich or poor -- [b]who knows that UVA is their number one choice shouldn't apply ED.

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You are missing the point that they won't know the composition of that aid (grant vs. loan) or the other elements of that package vs. other options before they have to make their decision. And you can certainly manage enrollment through other means. This is more often used to increase yield.

There is no ED (binding) at UVA. Only privates that are playing with yield statistics for USN&WR (Wash & Lee; Chicago; Northwestern, etc.) are doing that - especially ED1 and ED2 - that's all about the university pushing up its yield numbers. UVA doesn't engage in yield protection.

You missed the news. They will have ED, EA, and RD next year.

But UVA still will not engage in yield protection. That is for lesser schools.

[Anonymous]

Ten pages about this troll post so far. Unbelievable. It’s Pavlovian. Nothing focuses the mind of nova parents so much as obtaining UVA admission for their offspring. It is, for many, the main purpose of parenting. It is a Public Ivy—probably the best behind Cal and UCLA. William and Mary is very good too, but it doesn’t have the business school chops.

[Anonymous]

UVA’s ED will be among the most popular in the nation. Game that system!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ten pages about this troll post so far. Unbelievable. It’s Pavlovian. Nothing focuses the mind of nova parents so much as obtaining UVA admission for their offspring. It is, for many, the main purpose of parenting. It is a Public Ivy—probably the best behind Cal and UCLA. William and Mary is very good too, but it doesn’t have the business school chops.

Don't raise good children, raise UVA grads!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ten pages about this troll post so far. Unbelievable. It’s Pavlovian. Nothing focuses the mind of nova parents so much as obtaining UVA admission for their offspring. It is, for many, the main purpose of parenting. It is a Public Ivy—probably the best behind Cal and UCLA. William and Mary is very good too, but it doesn’t have the business school chops.

Don't raise good children, raise UVA grads!

That’s right.