Why deny UVA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ten pages about this troll post so far. Unbelievable. It’s Pavlovian. Nothing focuses the mind of nova parents so much as obtaining UVA admission for their offspring. It is, for many, the main purpose of parenting. It is a Public Ivy—probably the best behind Cal and UCLA. William and Mary is very good too, but it doesn’t have the business school chops.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was over-enrolled this year and didn't even go to the waitlist for Arts & Sciences and Engineering. This is a good way to manage enrollment for such a popular and prestigious school. UVA is also one of only a small number of colleges who are both need blind in admissions and guarantees to meet 100 percent of a student's demonstrated financial need. So there is no reason why any student -- rich or poor -- [b]who knows that UVA is their number one choice shouldn't apply ED.

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You are missing the point that they won't know the composition of that aid (grant vs. loan) or the other elements of that package vs. other options before they have to make their decision. And you can certainly manage enrollment through other means. This is more often used to increase yield.

There is no ED (binding) at UVA. Only privates that are playing with yield statistics for USN&WR (Wash & Lee; Chicago; Northwestern, etc.) are doing that - especially ED1 and ED2 - that's all about the university pushing up its yield numbers. UVA doesn't engage in yield protection.

You missed the news. They will have ED, EA, and RD next year.

But UVA still will not engage in yield protection. That is for lesser schools.

Not sure there are any.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Admissions rates are higher in state, which might be why the locals don't see it as big of a deal?

Total applications: 40,869 (37,182 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 12,010
Total number of OOS apps: 28,859

Overall offers: 9,787
Total VA offers: 4,331 (36% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,456 (19% offer rate)

60% of acceptees choose other schools. 40% yield rate tells me that people are using UVA as their safety. I know my kid did.

That's not what a low yeild means. Only 12 schools have yeild rates above 50 percent.

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Anonymous wrote:Only HYPMS are universally regarded as prestigious. The rest of the top 25 are all great schools.

Few "worldly folks" have heard about Dartmouth, Vandy and Duke, let alone Emory, Tufts and Washington U.

That's a lie. Maybe to the avg farmer but the avg white collar individual knows what schools are prestigious. There might be even more than 25.

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Anonymous wrote:Admissions rates are higher in state, which might be why the locals don't see it as big of a deal?

Total applications: 40,869 (37,182 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 12,010
Total number of OOS apps: 28,859

Overall offers: 9,787
Total VA offers: 4,331 (36% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,456 (19% offer rate)

60% of acceptees choose other schools. 40% yield rate tells me that people are using UVA as their safety. I know my kid did.

That's not what a low yeild means. Only 12 schools have yeild rates above 50 percent.

Amherst's 39 percent yield is on par with UVA. I guess Amherst is a safety school then.

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Anonymous wrote:Admissions rates are higher in state, which might be why the locals don't see it as big of a deal?

Total applications: 40,869 (37,182 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 12,010
Total number of OOS apps: 28,859

Overall offers: 9,787
Total VA offers: 4,331 (36% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,456 (19% offer rate)

60% of acceptees choose other schools. 40% yield rate tells me that people are using UVA as their safety. I know my kid did.

That's not what a low yeild means. Only 12 schools have yeild rates above 50 percent.

That isn't correct. There are quite a few. But schools can get to a high yield a couple of ways. They can be such a strong brand that most accepted enroll (e.g. Harvard, Stanford), or fill a niche where most who apply are sure they would want to go there (e.g. BYU).

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/universities-colleges-where-students-are-eager-to-enroll

Most schools have had declining yields because kids apply to more schools now. UVA's has gone from 53% in 2005 to 38% for 2017.

[Anonymous]

UVA is a fine school, and your DC will get a solid liberal arts education there. It’s not renowned for the sciences but I think theyre trying to improve their lackluster engineering program and have made some niteirthy breakthroughs in Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s research. The most prestigious grad program at the University is the law school, followed by architecture, and maybe the business school.

I too don’t understand the crazed reactions to this school (from boosters and bashers alike). Does it have the same “prestige” (I hate that word) as Harvard, Yale, Columbia or Princeton? Probably not but countless UVA grads do end up at Ivies and countless Ivy grads end up at the Law School.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA is a fine school, and your DC will get a solid liberal arts education there. It’s not renowned for the sciences but I think theyre trying to improve their lackluster engineering program and have made some niteirthy breakthroughs in Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s research. The most prestigious grad program at the University is the law school, followed by architecture, and maybe the business school.

I too don’t understand the crazed reactions to this school (from boosters and bashers alike). Does it have the same “prestige” (I hate that word) as Harvard, Yale, Columbia or Princeton? Probably not but countless UVA grads do end up at Ivies and countless Ivy grads end up at the Law School.

*niteirthy = noteworthy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA is a fine school, and your DC will get a solid liberal arts education there. It’s not renowned for the sciences but I think theyre trying to improve their lackluster engineering program and have made some niteirthy breakthroughs in Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s research. The most prestigious grad program at the University is the law school, followed by architecture, and maybe the business school.

I too don’t understand the crazed reactions to this school (from boosters and bashers alike). Does it have the same “prestige” (I hate that word) as Harvard, Yale, Columbia or Princeton? Probably not but countless UVA grads do end up at Ivies and countless Ivy grads end up at the Law School.

"Countless" huh? It's a gigantic public U, of course it sends some grads to prestigious grad programs. And worth noting many kids at UVA have connected DC powerbroker parents, which greases skids. But odds are, if you're just a normal middle class family, your kid will also be a normal middle class schmuck.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Only HYPMS are universally regarded as prestigious. The rest of the top 25 are all great schools.

Few "worldly folks" have heard about Dartmouth, Vandy and Duke, let alone Emory, Tufts and Washington U.

That's a lie. Maybe to the avg farmer but the avg white collar individual knows what schools are prestigious. There might be even more than 25.

The reality is that people who matter have heard of all the highly selective schools. I’m sure my gardener hasn’t heard of any of them but who cares. I probably wouldn’t be so dismissive of UVA if the provincial Virginia loons didn’t constantly position the school as world class which it clearly isn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is a fine school, and your DC will get a solid liberal arts education there. It’s not renowned for the sciences but I think theyre trying to improve their lackluster engineering program and have made some niteirthy breakthroughs in Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s research. The most prestigious grad program at the University is the law school, followed by architecture, and maybe the business school.

I too don’t understand the crazed reactions to this school (from boosters and bashers alike). Does it have the same “prestige” (I hate that word) as Harvard, Yale, Columbia or Princeton? Probably not but countless UVA grads do end up at Ivies and countless Ivy grads end up at the Law School.

[/b]Countless" huh? It's a gigantic public U, of course it sends some grads to prestigious grad programs. And worth noting many kids at UVA have connected DC powerbroker parents, which greases skids. But odds are, if you're just a normal middle class family, your kid will also be a normal middle class schmuck[b]

Isn’t that true anywhere ? Middle class and low income schmucks typically don’t have that hedge fund job waiting for them after graduation

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Anonymous wrote:Only HYPMS are universally regarded as prestigious. The rest of the top 25 are all great schools.

Few "worldly folks" have heard about Dartmouth, Vandy and Duke, let alone Emory, Tufts and Washington U.

That's a lie. Maybe to the avg farmer but the avg white collar individual knows what schools are prestigious. There might be even more than 25.

A lot of people know big sports schools (e.g. Alabama) better than big academic schools. But I'd bet people who do hiring when academic backgrounds matter know a lot more than 25 schools. If you asked me to come up with ones that are pretty strong in one way or another, I could probably come up with at least 50 and probably more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA is a fine school, and your DC will get a solid liberal arts education there. It’s not renowned for the sciences but I think theyre trying to improve their lackluster engineering program and have made some niteirthy breakthroughs in Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s research. The most prestigious grad program at the University is the law school, followed by architecture, and maybe the business school.

I too don’t understand the crazed reactions to this school (from boosters and bashers alike). Does it have the same “prestige” (I hate that word) as Harvard, Yale, Columbia or Princeton? Probably not but countless UVA grads do end up at Ivies and countless Ivy grads end up at the Law School.

You've got to be realistic. They won't even be close to each other in representation at the very top graduate schools.

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Anonymous wrote: Serious question here, not trying to troll. Why do so many on DCUM insist that UVA is not a prestigious school? I just don’t get it. It clearly is. I remember deciding to move to Virginia over Maryland 35 years ago because of the University of Virginia and the College of William and Mary. UVA being a top dog is nothing new.

Why so much animosity? Why so much denial?

Hard not to suspect trolling, but I'll humor you:

I think it has a lot to do with comparisons to elite privates, given that that is sort of the demographic in this area and on this board, as well as non-Virginians for whom the value proposition of UVA is very different. I also think it is a natural reaction to the historic pretentiousness of the UVA student ("How many does it take to change a lightbulb?" "One, they just hold it up and the world revolves around them.") and the natural hyperdemocratic urge to cut that down. I think "jealousy" or "didn't get in" are way back on the list.

I would also note that Maryland has raised its stock incredibly among public universities. They are both really strong. I'm curious whether you'd make the same move today.

If you are in VA, NC, MI, and probably TX, hard to deny the value proposition of the flagship state universities.

Plus California

[Anonymous]

UVA > UMD

Good night