Why deny UVA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeepers. how will this affect in state vs. out of state admissions with an ED option thrown back into the mix? What is the reasoning behind this?

1) More tuition dollars since vast majority of ED students will be full-pay.
2) Better yield percentages.

I would speculate that UVA is finding one of the major reasons it is losing OOS admits is to better aid packages from other schools (primarily private schools). The advantage (from a school's perspective) is the student has to commit before they see aid package. So this will enable UVA to get more full pay students and increase targeted financial aid (increase grant) to others it is competing to get.

But they left Early Action in place, so I’m not sure they are searching for full pay.

Has their OOs yield dropped?

How does a new president come into play?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA was over-enrolled this year and didn't even go to the waitlist for Arts & Sciences and Engineering. This is a good way to manage enrollment for such a popular and prestigious school. UVA is also one of only a small number of colleges who are both need blind in admissions and guarantees to meet 100 percent of a student's demonstrated financial need. So there is no reason why any student -- rich or poor -- who knows that UVA is their number one choice shouldn't apply ED.

You are missing the point that they won't know the composition of that aid (grant vs. loan) or the other elements of that package vs. other options before they have to make their decision. And you can certainly manage enrollment through other means. This is more often used to increase yield.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: Flagships are typically land grant institutions.

In a flagship situation, you ha e a large Board of Regents/Trustees that oversees all schools and then each school’s has a chancellor. North Carolina has this. Virginia doesn’t.

In Texas Texas A&M is the land grant but UT would be considered to as much of a claim to "flagship" status. It isn't really a technical term (unlike "land grant") and I don't think the legislature has designated UVA as flagship, but UVA's Wikipedia page claims flagship. I think it is just generally used to refer to some combination of best known, first, and most extensive in research and graduate degrees.

Wikipedia is not an official source of information. Anyone can edit a wiki page. Click on the “discussion” tab on any page and see the average joes arguing about what belongs on the page.

[Anonymous]

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You are missing the point that they won't know the composition of that aid (grant vs. loan) or the other elements of that package vs. other options before they have to make their decision. And you can certainly manage enrollment through other means. This is more often used to increase yield.

Net price calculator?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeepers. how will this affect in state vs. out of state admissions with an ED option thrown back into the mix? What is the reasoning behind this?

1) More tuition dollars since vast majority of ED students will be full-pay.
2) Better yield percentages.

I would speculate that UVA is finding one of the major reasons it is losing OOS admits is to better aid packages from other schools (primarily private schools). The advantage (from a school's perspective) is the student has to commit before they see aid package. So this will enable UVA to get more full pay students and increase targeted financial aid (increase grant) to others it is competing to get.

But they left Early Action in place, so I’m not sure they are searching for full pay.

Has their OOs yield dropped?

How does a new president come into play?

Well, it will lead to applicants gaming out their strategy. If you have money and want to possibly increase odds of admission, you can do ED without concern.

I speculated without looking at any data first, but it looks plausible. OOS yield has gone from 36% in 2006-7 to 22% in 2017-18. In-State yield also dropped in that time period from 68% to 58%. Yields are declining at most schools because the number of schools applied to per applicant has gone up.

[Anonymous]

But in that time, applications have exploded. What about in the last 2-3 years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are missing the point that they won't know the composition of that aid (grant vs. loan) or the other elements of that package vs. other options before they have to make their decision. And you can certainly manage enrollment through other means. This is more often used to increase yield.

Net price calculator?

Yes, but here is an excerpt from an article:

It may limit the ability to negotiate financial aid awards. Students accepted under early decision lose the ability to compare aid packages across multiple schools.

"The primary financial drawback of applying early decision is that you give up the ability to compare offers from other schools and potentially negotiate awards to get those offers even higher," Vasconcelos says.

[Anonymous]

My HS student has zero interest in UVA, and I've tried to stoke it. She has already decided on Virginia Tech. But she's good in science and math, so that is probably the best fit for her.

I did some research and discovered that VT grads have the highest starting salaries of any Virginia university. $70k for VT grads vs. $38k for UVA grads. Not bad!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But in that time, applications have exploded. What about in the last 2-3 years?

Both in-state and OOS yield have declined according to SCHEV.

I recall seeing something that said Harvard has held steady and Stanford declined, but most other schools have had declining yields. Again, I think it is mostly because kids apply to more schools. They can only go to one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My HS student has zero interest in UVA, and I've tried to stoke it. She has already decided on Virginia Tech. But she's good in science and math, so that is probably the best fit for her.

I did some research and discovered that VT grads have the highest starting salaries of any Virginia university. $70k for VT grads vs. $38k for UVA grads. Not bad!

That doesn't sound right, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Flagships are typically land grant institutions.

In a flagship situation, you ha e a large Board of Regents/Trustees that oversees all schools and then each school’s has a chancellor. North Carolina has this. Virginia doesn’t.

In Texas Texas A&M is the land grant but UT would be considered to as much of a claim to "flagship" status. It isn't really a technical term (unlike "land grant") and I don't think the legislature has designated UVA as flagship, but UVA's Wikipedia page claims flagship. I think it is just generally used to refer to some combination of best known, first, and most extensive in research and graduate degrees.

Wikipedia is not an official source of information. Anyone can edit a wiki page. Click on the “discussion” tab on any page and see the average joes arguing about what belongs on the page.

Like I said, I don't think it is usually an official designation. And even if it does, what does it mean? Berkeley would probably get the nod in California, but for some reason UCLA is currently ranked higher in USNews.

[Anonymous]

UVA doesn’t negotiate financial aid. Just ask around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My HS student has zero interest in UVA, and I've tried to stoke it. She has already decided on Virginia Tech. But she's good in science and math, so that is probably the best fit for her.

I did some research and discovered that VT grads have the highest starting salaries of any Virginia university. $70k for VT grads vs. $38k for UVA grads. Not bad!

That doesn't sound right, though.

It can't be. Maybe VT Engineering grads make that much, but no all grads

[Anonymous]

I just googled UVA starting salary

“As of Aug. 21, 98% of the undergraduate Class of 2018 indicated they had accepted a position (92%), were enrolling in or seeking to enroll in graduate school (5%), or were not in the job market (1%). The average annual base salary for the undergraduate Class of 2018 is $75,068; the median annual base salary is $75,000.”

[Anonymous]

https://db.career.vt.edu/scripts/PostGrad2006/Report/DetailReportSalaries.asp?College=00&Majors=Y&Cohort=2017-2018

Average starting salary of VT grad was $60,000.