FCV DA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, you have to call out the names, playing time, and the schools, or it doesn’t really work.

If you want to make the case, do it the right way, don’t be lame about it.

Or you could go to the links and look at the data.

Do the work. Don't be lazy.

I wasn’t impressed by the links alone, they don’t support your case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was no link to FCV bench warmer D1 commits in your links, because there are none.

http://fcva.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7441636

https://www.fcvirginia.com/page/show/3158219-college-commitments

There you go soccer oracle. I am not going to put specific names on here because that is no ok with me but you can figure out between the two links the girls that are committed but aren't regular starters.

So should I find the Loudoun commits page now?

Imagine where those girls could have committed to if they were able to actually play soccer.

So now you have resorted to personal attacks? Big man!

No, I meant if they actually played minutes not watching others play soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, you have to call out the names, playing time, and the schools, or it doesn’t really work.

If you want to make the case, do it the right way, don’t be lame about it.

Or you could go to the links and look at the data.

Do the work. Don't be lazy.

I wasn’t impressed by the links alone, they don’t support your case.

I guess it is a good thing that I don't care if you're impressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look if you can’t even start on a DA or ECNL club team, who would ever expect to play D1 soccer? No college coach is that desperate. They are watching the starters. Let’s be real here.

Wrong. So wrong. Coming off the bench on a top team can get you a d1 spot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look if you can’t even start on a DA or ECNL club team, who would ever expect to play D1 soccer? No college coach is that desperate. They are watching the starters. Let’s be real here.

Ok. Let's be real here. This is information is not a secret and easily found on the internet. Look at BDA and GDA teams and their college commitments. Many of them around the country have D1 soccer commitments for many more than the starters. Bethesda BDA is an easy one to research for class of 2019.

Here, I will do the work for you so you can stop showing everyone your ignorance.

https://www.bethesdasoccer.org/?page_id=1712

So that is the BDA.

Below is Tophat for the GDA. I count 16 commits for the oldest team and another 13 for the U16/17 team and I believe they are all D1 but I am not positive. It is probably safe assumption that the U16/U17 team number will grow before those players age out.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxuxYMjgkWB/?igshid=tnmfus7vslzb

The GDA is still only in year 2 and with the oldest age groups (U16, U17, U18 and U19), ECNL is still riding the success that came before the GDA was launched. Anything younger than that, the GDA is far superior in the concentration of talent and that is what matters to scouts - they cannot be in more than one place at a time. For the GDA, the fact remains that player number 15 on a strong DA team is most likely a stronger player than player number 5 on any ECNL team except for a few exceptional ECNL clubs that left the GDA for money and control (PDA is one example) in the eyes of a college scout.

In our area, FCV and BA are the two GDAs that seem to be separating themselves from the pack. Arlington's long-term strength in the GDA is TBD but Arlington is a large and well-run club. MU is a mess and right now the only GDA in the area that is not above the local ECNL teams in terms of concentration of talent. For U15 and younger, unless you are commuting to PDA, or you are the parent of an absolute superstar ECNL player, let's get real here - many subs on a top-level GDA team are indeed playing D1 soccer.

PDA left for money? What does that mean? GDA is more expensive than ECNL in this area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Above analysis is severely flawed, especially the last paragraph. Please post discrete examples of non-starters playing D1 soccer and explain how that would change for u15 or below.

Count the numbers of commits. If there are more than 11 to D1 schools, non-starters are getting D1 offers. Fairly simple.

2018 and 2019 classes only please. 2020 is too early yet. Before 2018 this was not GDA. Count again. “D1” commits, not college commits. I think I count 11 exactly in 2019 and less than that in 2018. What was your point? Oh, that’s right, you forgot what was being discussed. If your kid’s not in the game, most of the time the D1 coaches won’t see them nor recruit them. D2 and below, sure. By the way, nothing to be ashamed of there, but the discussion was revolving around D1.

Meanwhile, no one is saying that FCV doesn’t have great girls DA teams for this area. They do. I think many posters just feel jaded based on the tactics of how these teams are compiled. Personally, who cares if they were developed or recruited. The only thing that matters is: are they getting better once on the team, are they getting exposure to colleges or YNTs, and are they having fun? If yes then stay, if no, then leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look if you can’t even start on a DA or ECNL club team, who would ever expect to play D1 soccer? No college coach is that desperate. They are watching the starters. Let’s be real here.

Wrong. So wrong. Coming off the bench on a top team can get you a d1 spot.

If that is the case it should also be able to land you a starting spot at another DA/ECNL club. But pay the money and watch your kid watch because you’re more about your kid participating on a winning team than your kid getting to actually play soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look if you can’t even start on a DA or ECNL club team, who would ever expect to play D1 soccer? No college coach is that desperate. They are watching the starters. Let’s be real here.

Wrong. So wrong. Coming off the bench on a top team can get you a d1 spot.

...at a low end D1 school - if you are lucky. With the current DA/ECNL talent dilution in this area it's not very likely. You need to start to make D1.

[Anonymous]

Here’s the problem with your links. For the oldest age group, it’s combined. So, you have kids graduating over two years in that group. In that case, you can have some, typically younger, kids sitting and still make a D1 because they are very good players sitting behind an even better older player. In other words, the talent is already concentrated in that age group.

For the u17s and below this isn’t true. The bench warmers there have no guarantee or likelihood to play D1 and the fact they are still on a bench makes it more likely that they won’t make the cut when the age groups combine at 18/19. So, I’m additoon to playing at worse schools, they don’t even show up on the 18/19 rosters, which skews your data.

In other words, your argument is disingenuous. You really shouldn’t prey on unknowing parents of younger kids to fund their starting peers. They should have a chance to start elsewhere, so they can make a D1 college and u18/19 team somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look if you can’t even start on a DA or ECNL club team, who would ever expect to play D1 soccer? No college coach is that desperate. They are watching the starters. Let’s be real here.

Wrong. So wrong. Coming off the bench on a top team can get you a d1 spot.

Don't bother arguing with this guy unless you "make a case that impresses him". He knows everything. He knows more medicine than physicians, more law than judges, more science than scientists, more fashion than designers, more about cars than engineers and certainly more soccer than anyone around even Pep Guardiola.

We all better our A game on because this guy IS NOT impressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Above analysis is severely flawed, especially the last paragraph. Please post discrete examples of non-starters playing D1 soccer and explain how that would change for u15 or below.

Examples of non starters from local area DAs playing D1, to clarify.

U15 and younger are not committing at this point and now will not until junior year of high school (more than a year from today). The information we do have is what was linked. You can dismiss it, ignore it, spin it, whatever you want to it. It doesn't change the fact that it is true. What is not a FACT is that non-starters on top level GDA teams are not committing to D1 schools. Our area has done a very poor job concentrating talent. We have 10 local teams in the DA/ECNL. That is too many and yet we have people on here telling us how Loudoun ECNL will now become a game changer. The only thing Loudoun adding ECNL is going to do is water down the ECNL some more purely because of the number of teams. More consolidation is needed and it may have to happen involuntarily. The best thing that could happen is that the 4 local GDA become 3 and the 6 local ECNL reduce to 3 as well (by combining with each other or with a GDA club). 6 "elite" options are plenty for our area and would truly be competitive with other parts of the country in both college commits and game play.

Fat chance any of this happens there is too much money to be made the way it is now with parents willing to pay obscene amounts of money for, in most cases, non-equivalent value.

This is an interesting idea. What mergers need to happen here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look if you can’t even start on a DA or ECNL club team, who would ever expect to play D1 soccer? No college coach is that desperate. They are watching the starters. Let’s be real here.

Ok. Let's be real here. This is information is not a secret and easily found on the internet. Look at BDA and GDA teams and their college commitments. Many of them around the country have D1 soccer commitments for many more than the starters. Bethesda BDA is an easy one to research for class of 2019.

Here, I will do the work for you so you can stop showing everyone your ignorance.

https://www.bethesdasoccer.org/?page_id=1712

So that is the BDA.

Below is Tophat for the GDA. I count 16 commits for the oldest team and another 13 for the U16/17 team and I believe they are all D1 but I am not positive. It is probably safe assumption that the U16/U17 team number will grow before those players age out.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxuxYMjgkWB/?igshid=tnmfus7vslzb

The GDA is still only in year 2 and with the oldest age groups (U16, U17, U18 and U19), ECNL is still riding the success that came before the GDA was launched. Anything younger than that, the GDA is far superior in the concentration of talent and that is what matters to scouts - they cannot be in more than one place at a time. For the GDA, the fact remains that player number 15 on a strong DA team is most likely a stronger player than player number 5 on any ECNL team except for a few exceptional ECNL clubs that left the GDA for money and control (PDA is one example) in the eyes of a college scout.

In our area, FCV and BA are the two GDAs that seem to be separating themselves from the pack. Arlington's long-term strength in the GDA is TBD but Arlington is a large and well-run club. MU is a mess and right now the only GDA in the area that is not above the local ECNL teams in terms of concentration of talent. For U15 and younger, unless you are commuting to PDA, or you are the parent of an absolute superstar ECNL player, let's get real here - many subs on a top-level GDA team are indeed playing D1 soccer.

PDA left for money? What does that mean? GDA is more expensive than ECNL in this area.

First, GDA is not more expensive than ECNL. Ask around. Second, ECNL gave PDA two ECNL teams (twice the money) and ECNL gives PDA much more control of things that GDA does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look if you can’t even start on a DA or ECNL club team, who would ever expect to play D1 soccer? No college coach is that desperate. They are watching the starters. Let’s be real here.

Ok. Let's be real here. This is information is not a secret and easily found on the internet. Look at BDA and GDA teams and their college commitments. Many of them around the country have D1 soccer commitments for many more than the starters. Bethesda BDA is an easy one to research for class of 2019.

Here, I will do the work for you so you can stop showing everyone your ignorance.

https://www.bethesdasoccer.org/?page_id=1712

So that is the BDA.

Below is Tophat for the GDA. I count 16 commits for the oldest team and another 13 for the U16/17 team and I believe they are all D1 but I am not positive. It is probably safe assumption that the U16/U17 team number will grow before those players age out.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxuxYMjgkWB/?igshid=tnmfus7vslzb

The GDA is still only in year 2 and with the oldest age groups (U16, U17, U18 and U19), ECNL is still riding the success that came before the GDA was launched. Anything younger than that, the GDA is far superior in the concentration of talent and that is what matters to scouts - they cannot be in more than one place at a time. For the GDA, the fact remains that player number 15 on a strong DA team is most likely a stronger player than player number 5 on any ECNL team except for a few exceptional ECNL clubs that left the GDA for money and control (PDA is one example) in the eyes of a college scout.

In our area, FCV and BA are the two GDAs that seem to be separating themselves from the pack. Arlington's long-term strength in the GDA is TBD but Arlington is a large and well-run club. MU is a mess and right now the only GDA in the area that is not above the local ECNL teams in terms of concentration of talent. For U15 and younger, unless you are commuting to PDA, or you are the parent of an absolute superstar ECNL player, let's get real here - many subs on a top-level GDA team are indeed playing D1 soccer.

PDA left for money? What does that mean? GDA is more expensive than ECNL in this area.

First, GDA is not more expensive than ECNL. Ask around. Second, ECNL gave PDA two ECNL teams (twice the money) and ECNL gives PDA much more control of things that GDA does.

You actually think all of those clubs left the GDA so they could have two teams? It had nothing to do with high school? Substitution rules? Travel? Having to to deal with US Soccer disorganization? Real Colorado wanted 2 teams and ECNL said no. There are 2 platforms and neither are going anywhere anytime soon. I’m enjoying watching my DD play for her school and the power 5 school she’ll be playing for seems okay with it too.

Stars, Hawks, PDA, Crossfire, Concorde all left so they could have 2 teams and make an extra couple thousand dollars a year? The delusion is real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look if you can’t even start on a DA or ECNL club team, who would ever expect to play D1 soccer? No college coach is that desperate. They are watching the starters. Let’s be real here.

Wrong. So wrong. Coming off the bench on a top team can get you a d1 spot.

Don't bother arguing with this guy unless you "make a case that impresses him". He knows everything. He knows more medicine than physicians, more law than judges, more science than scientists, more fashion than designers, more about cars than engineers and certainly more soccer than anyone around even Pep Guardiola.

We all better our A game on because this guy IS NOT impressed.

The combined age group presents a problem for a loyal non-starter. If you are not starting by U17 you are screwed. Chances are you might not even make the U19/18 team or you do and pray that kids start committing so that you start to get minutes and as you just start to get minutes the college spots start drying up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look if you can’t even start on a DA or ECNL club team, who would ever expect to play D1 soccer? No college coach is that desperate. They are watching the starters. Let’s be real here.

Ok. Let's be real here. This is information is not a secret and easily found on the internet. Look at BDA and GDA teams and their college commitments. Many of them around the country have D1 soccer commitments for many more than the starters. Bethesda BDA is an easy one to research for class of 2019.

Here, I will do the work for you so you can stop showing everyone your ignorance.

https://www.bethesdasoccer.org/?page_id=1712

So that is the BDA.

Below is Tophat for the GDA. I count 16 commits for the oldest team and another 13 for the U16/17 team and I believe they are all D1 but I am not positive. It is probably safe assumption that the U16/U17 team number will grow before those players age out.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxuxYMjgkWB/?igshid=tnmfus7vslzb

The GDA is still only in year 2 and with the oldest age groups (U16, U17, U18 and U19), ECNL is still riding the success that came before the GDA was launched. Anything younger than that, the GDA is far superior in the concentration of talent and that is what matters to scouts - they cannot be in more than one place at a time. For the GDA, the fact remains that player number 15 on a strong DA team is most likely a stronger player than player number 5 on any ECNL team except for a few exceptional ECNL clubs that left the GDA for money and control (PDA is one example) in the eyes of a college scout.

In our area, FCV and BA are the two GDAs that seem to be separating themselves from the pack. Arlington's long-term strength in the GDA is TBD but Arlington is a large and well-run club. MU is a mess and right now the only GDA in the area that is not above the local ECNL teams in terms of concentration of talent. For U15 and younger, unless you are commuting to PDA, or you are the parent of an absolute superstar ECNL player, let's get real here - many subs on a top-level GDA team are indeed playing D1 soccer.

PDA left for money? What does that mean? GDA is more expensive than ECNL in this area.

First, GDA is not more expensive than ECNL. Ask around. Second, ECNL gave PDA two ECNL teams (twice the money) and ECNL gives PDA much more control of things that GDA does.

You actually think all of those clubs left the GDA so they could have two teams? It had nothing to do with high school? Substitution rules? Travel? Having to to deal with US Soccer disorganization? Real Colorado wanted 2 teams and ECNL said no. There are 2 platforms and neither are going anywhere anytime soon. I’m enjoying watching my DD play for her school and the power 5 school she’ll be playing for seems okay with it too.

Stars, Hawks, PDA, Crossfire, Concorde all left so they could have 2 teams and make an extra couple thousand dollars a year? The delusion is real.

The fact that Real Colorado wanted two teams in ECNL, was denied two teams by ECNL and they stayed in GDA kinda does prove that clubs went back to ECNL because they were allowed to field two teams.