Red shirting, again.

[Anonymous]

Just Wow poster here.

to the PP, do you think it makes sense for 14 year old girls and 16 year old boys to be in the same grade?

Does it make sense for the 19 year old senior boy to be in the same school as the 14 year old freshman girl?

Is it right that the older 18 year old is on the same football field as 15 year olds?

Sure, you were 2 and 1/2 years younger than your peers, but clearly that is a choice your parents made, and had you not been socially or academically appropriate, something would have changed.

Are you too obtuse to see the difference for someone "gaming it" the other way?

[Anonymous]

To Wow Poster:

The answers to your questions in sequence:

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes

Age and gender is not a prerequisite for aptitude, ability and performance. If aptitude, ability, acheivement and performance are met then age and gender are irrelevant.

If age and gender are relevant to you. You have the option of attending an all male or all girls school. Unfortunately, I doubt you will find schools that group folk within the rigid boundaries of ages you desire in the real world.

If a 15 year-old runs faster, jumps higher and bench press heavier than 19 year-olds would you prefer him to beat up on you weak 15-year-old son or play on a more even playing field (based on talent and performance rather than his age)?

This is the real world out there ... not your obtuse, rose-coloured, Alice in Wonderland coccoon.

[Anonymous]

Do you think a parent that "games" the system by purposely holding a child back is ultimately "gaming the system" or helping the child in the long run? I suspect there may be some "very" short run gains (possibly) but in the long run the outcome will not favor the child. This is my opinion which is why I don't give a hoot what other parents do with their children. I prefer to worry about my own children. In fact, my children welcome with open arms being in classrooms with children older than they are. Of course, there are children who would prefer to associate with kids much younger than themselves as opposed to their chronologic peers or older children. And there are parents who prefer their children to follow this practice. I hope my children never fall into this category for this active pursuit is a recipe for mediocrity.

To the parents who oppose "red shirting or cheating" (what ever they mean by this) are you intimidated by colleagues in your world that are older, more experienced, or of a different gender or age than you? How do you cope? ... or is this unfair? How about the younger upstart ( with more on the ball) that is flying up the ladder and passing you by?

It is largely irrelevant whether a competent 4-year-old is in a class with a 6-year-old ... or vice versa. It matters not the race, gender or religion. But, for those for whom these variables matter (within the law) there are schools secregated by religion and gender to choose from. There are schools (largely public) segregated by age (with the typical bell shaped distribution that accompanies large samples). Parents that fret over the ages of children at either tail end of the age distribution and hurling the invective of cheaters are simply wasting their breath and ink.

[Anonymous]

Just wow here again.

In my opinion, people who red shirt their children are cheating their children, but that is of no concern to me. Where it does impact my family is on the social side when you have such age imbalances in a grade or class.

Of course I am not intimidated by people who are older than me, or who run faster than me, or who might be my intellectual superior. However, we are talking about a closed system of a school and grade, not the so-called real world.

I guess when your 19 year old son gets hauled in for statutory rape then you can sue the school for having a situation where the age disparate children were in the same environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just wow here again.

In my opinion, people who red shirt their children are cheating their children, but that is of no concern to me. Where it does impact my family is on the social side when you have such age imbalances in a grade or class.

Of course I am not intimidated by people who are older than me, or who run faster than me, or who might be my intellectual superior. However, we are talking about a closed system of a school and grade, not the so-called real world.

I guess when your 19 year old son gets hauled in for statutory rape then you can sue the school for having a situation where the age disparate children were in the same environment.

Anyone notice how no pro-redshirters talk about 18 and 19 year old girls in the school? How stupid are we? It's done for boys to be the biggest and best. Sure the 15 and 16 year olds might perform better than some 18's turning 19 during senior year. But run the clock back a few years and those oldies were on top.

then consider the big 18's to 19's who could be playing college sports and getting real game time. Anyone have those "hot" guys in the high school hitting on your DD?

[Anonymous]

What does rape have to do with this discussion?

Are you asserting that red shirting leads to a higher incidence and prevalence of rape in our society? or the corollary...keeping all children and young adults in classrooms based strictly on age lowers the incidence and prevalence of rape in our society?

It appears this is your fear.

I wonder whether this is your imagination gone wild or you have data and evidence to support this claim?

[Anonymous]

The WOW poster should lock up her daughter with a chastity belt and homeschool. When she does turn 18 she will be ripe and ready to leave the coccoon for the real world.

[Anonymous]

Ms WOW preders to educate her children in a closed system that does not reflect the real world. Some private schools may fit the bill here. The public schools reflect more the real world. We are all lucky to have a choice in how we educate our children.

[Anonymous]

To WOW poster:

We know your feeling about red shirted boys ... and statutory rape?

What are your feelings about red shirted girls? Any concern here?

[Anonymous]

Of course, red shirted girls may rape the young boys!

[Anonymous]

Just wow here again.

In my opinion, people who red shirt their children are cheating their children, but that is of no concern to me. Where it does impact my family is on the social side when you have such age imbalances in a grade or class.

Of course I am not intimidated by people who are older than me, or who run faster than me, or who might be my intellectual superior. However, we are talking about a closed system of a school and grade, not the so-called real world.

I guess when your 19 year old son gets hauled in for statutory rape then you can sue the school for having a situation where the age disparate children were in the same environment.


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Hear ye! Red shirting leads to statutory rape.

To prevent statutory rape it is now a felon (illegal) for children of different ages to be in the same classroom, playroom, cafeteria, team, playground, theatre stage, debate stage, school newspaper or orchestra. It is imperative that children be grouped strictly by age (no spread) to avoid adverse social outcomes (e.g., statutory rape).

To Ms WOW -- your solution is simply brilliant! This also will prevent the school system from lawsuits. Utterly brilliant. You can now go back to soap operas and starbucks while the schools raise your children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just wow here again.

In my opinion, people who red shirt their children are cheating their children, but that is of no concern to me. Where it does impact my family is on the social side when you have such age imbalances in a grade or class.

Of course I am not intimidated by people who are older than me, or who run faster than me, or who might be my intellectual superior. However, we are talking about a closed system of a school and grade, not the so-called real world.

I guess when your 19 year old son gets hauled in for statutory rape then you can sue the school for having a situation where the age disparate children were in the same environment.

You are of course aware that in high school, "age disparate" children will mix and mingle in afterschool clubs? Like, the theater or glee club, will have freshmen to seniors in it?

In addition, children do fail or are held back a year or two. Even without redshirting, this has always happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just wow here again.

In my opinion, people who red shirt their children are cheating their children, but that is of no concern to me. Where it does impact my family is on the social side when you have such age imbalances in a grade or class.

Of course I am not intimidated by people who are older than me, or who run faster than me, or who might be my intellectual superior. However, we are talking about a closed system of a school and grade, not the so-called real world.

I guess when your 19 year old son gets hauled in for statutory rape then you can sue the school for having a situation where the age disparate children were in the same environment.

I think you need some help, PP.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like the spawner with a missing screw and auditory and visual hallucinations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just wow here again.

In my opinion, people who red shirt their children are cheating their children, but that is of no concern to me. Where it does impact my family is on the social side when you have such age imbalances in a grade or class.

Of course I am not intimidated by people who are older than me, or who run faster than me, or who might be my intellectual superior. However, we are talking about a closed system of a school and grade, not the so-called real world.

I guess when your 19 year old son gets hauled in for statutory rape then you can sue the school for having a situation where the age disparate children were in the same environment.

Oh brother. Look, just teach your daughter to keep her knees together and everyone else will be just fine.