Nothing tastes as good as thin feels

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Anonymous wrote:Having just put in the work needed to take off 40 pounds, I agree with you Op. There is no food so wonderful tasting that it would be worth regaining those 40 pounds only to have to struggle to take them back off. Lasagna, pie, pizza, cookies - so not worth it.

I indulge a little here and there but it's in a manageable way.

I don't look down on morbidly obese people. I would imagine that having so much weight to lose would be overwhelming. But you've got to start somewhere...

Some of us never abused food, or our bodies, and not fear lasagna and pie.

It’s always the people who had 40 pounds to lose in the first place who think they are sooooooo virtuous...

This exactly. Ugh. I've had many people in my life drop 20-40 pounds, and beyond. Many due to hard work, which I admire. But still, people who have maintained a healthy weight their whole lives DO NOT NEED TO BE LECTURED about how "lasagna, pie, pizza cookies" are "so not worth it."

We know how to enjoy all of those things without overdoing it, thanks. That's why we've always been able to wear clothing in straight sizes, etc. We've managed to do it without obsession, thanks.

Where on earth do you get that I'm lecturing you? I simply stated that FOR ME there is no food worth going back to being 40 pounds heavier. If I eat too many carbs (probably a normal serving for you) I become prediabetic. My insulin levels go up and I store fat. All the exercise and whole grains are not going to take it off. I have no choice but to cut out carbs in my daily diet, lose weight and have higher carbs on only special occasions, usually followed by a fast.

That's what I need to do. If you can eat Corn Flakes and Lean Pockets every day more power to you (doesn't mean that it's healthy, tho).

Do you get that people who eat a ***normal, healthy*** diet are not eating trash? A piece of homemade lasaga, or pie, or a good-quality pizza, or a good-quality cookie, are not garbage. Lean Pockets and Corn Flakes are trash.

Again, you're try to make normal/healthy eating seem like trashy/horrible eating. I'm going back to the A) B) C) eating examples above.

I'm sorry you can't live your life in the B) category. But that doesn't mean you get to put me in the C) category.

Your lovely homemade lasagna and pie will spike my insulin and make me store fat for days. That is what it means to have too much insulin in your blood. Thankfully, I know how to manage it by eating foods that are good for me.

When i was younger I was thin. Then suddenly I started to put on weight as I got older. My metabolism changed. My hormones have changed. You either adapt to it and figure out what you need to do to stay healthy or you continue to gain weight.

OK, and that's all fine. But you don't get to say that someone who eats a normal, healthy diet is eating "Lean Pockets and Corn Flakes." Homemade lasagna might not work for your particular system, but that doesn't make it preservative-filled, highly processed, frozen trash food. Stop miscasting a normal diet as a junk diet.

Again, sorry you can't enjoy a normal, healthy diet. Truly, I'm sorry--that sounds very difficult. There's nothing to say that I might not be in the same boat in 10 years. But if and when I have to eat a restricted diet, I won't go around tooting my own keto horn, and miscasting people who eat a healthy/balanced/normal diet as people who eat garbage food on the reg.

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Anonymous wrote:Eliminating entire food sources is not healthy or well balanced . It may work short term to lose Wright- but so do cigarettes and meth.

My diet is nutrient dense and satisfying. It keeps my blood sugar even and makes me feel great. I'm losing weight, I've got energy, my skin and hair look better. I think I'm doing pretty o.k.

Well yes but what you thought got you 40 lbs overweight and demonizing lasagna- so with all due respect why should anyone believe your newest iteration of a fad diet?

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Anonymous wrote:Eliminating entire food sources is not healthy or well balanced . It may work short term to lose Wright- but so do cigarettes and meth.

My diet is nutrient dense and satisfying. It keeps my blood sugar even and makes me feel great. I'm losing weight, I've got energy, my skin and hair look better. I think I'm doing pretty o.k.

Well yes but what you thought got you 40 lbs overweight and demonizing lasagna- so with all due respect why should anyone believe your newest iteration of a fad diet?

+1. Some of us have been eating nutrient-dense, satisfying diets for decades and never were carrying around an extra 40 pounds. Thanks, in party, I truly believe, to never fearing or demonizing food.

It's all well and good and fine that a well-balanced diet--a normal diet that includes high-quality versions of lasagna and pie and pizza and cookies--doesn't work for you. Glad you found a restricted diet that does work for your particular system. But normal, healthy people can responsibly enjoy literally any type of food, so don't go blaming lasagna for your past extra weight and your present need to eat a restricted diet.

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Anonymous wrote:In my family we tend to gain weight. I was always very slim but no: potato chips, pies, cakes, candy, soft drinks, beer, cheesecake, cupcakes, nuts, other kinds of chips. You get the picture. Don’t know how I did it all those years.

I left out no bread.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the whole US emphasis on thin as a sign of beauty is sick. And I am a thin person. There seems to be an idea that denying yourself the pleasure of eating is some kind of a moral high ground. And that leads to eating disorders. Plenty of people have a healthy mind set about eating and weight all around the world. Fix the mind set, you will fix obesity crisis. Plenty of people enjoy food without feeling guilty about it. I assure you baguette with butter tastes good, so does steak, enjoying food doesn't lead to obesity, more likely opposite is true.

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Of course. This idea is called asceticism and it goes back thousands of years. You can still note its historical influence in both Buddhist and Christian monasticism, and also in the Catholic observance of lent and the cyclical fasts of the Orthodox church. I would disagree that this is just a US thing that is particular to our current culture and time because it's too universal, but I do agree that it can encourage or worsen an ED.

The religious facts aren’t only about a moral high ground. When one fasts and practices a religious ritual, they aren’t thinking about when they can leave for their next meal, what’s for dinner, or if they left an oven on: their thoughts are only on the ritual. When one fasts, one can get hyper-focused, and the lightheadedness can lead to hallucinations or epiphanies.

Adderall has the same effect

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Anonymous wrote:No, they’re bashing Keto not women.

I’m another who is amazed at how people keep doing these fad diets.

Please come back when you can prove your words with solid conclusive research showing that keto is bad, period.

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Anonymous wrote:No, they’re bashing Keto not women.

I’m another who is amazed at how people keep doing these fad diets.

Please come back when you can prove your words with solid conclusive research showing that keto is bad, period.

Nah- I don’t care enough. I’ll just stick to the lifetime of results I’ve gotten by eating a Whole Foods diet with balance and joy.

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Anonymous wrote:No, they’re bashing Keto not women.

I’m another who is amazed at how people keep doing these fad diets.

Please come back when you can prove your words with solid conclusive research showing that keto is bad, period.

NP. No one said Keto was “bad.” It isn’t sustainable for many people, though. That’s why they yo-yo “on Keto” and “off” and cycle through losing/gaining the same 20 pounds.

If you physically have to do Keto for health reasons, God bless. Sorry. But people just looking to lose weight will statistically have better luck with a normal balanced diet.

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Anonymous wrote:No, they’re bashing Keto not women.

I’m another who is amazed at how people keep doing these fad diets.

Please come back when you can prove your words with solid conclusive research showing that keto is bad, period.

NP. No one said Keto was “bad.” It isn’t sustainable for many people, though. That’s why they yo-yo “on Keto” and “off” and cycle through losing/gaining the same 20 pounds.

If you physically have to do Keto for health reasons, God bless. Sorry. But people just looking to lose weight will statistically have better luck with a normal balanced diet.

Yep. I subscribe to Michael Pollan's advice: eat food (aka real food, not processed crap), not too much (don't overeat), mostly plants. I'm a pescatarian and I try to eat mostly foods my great-grandma would recognize as food.

I'm convinced our problem is massive portions, processed food, and too much red meat, not carbs or fats.

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Anonymous wrote:No, they’re bashing Keto not women.

I’m another who is amazed at how people keep doing these fad diets.

Please come back when you can prove your words with solid conclusive research showing that keto is bad, period.

Nah- I don’t care enough. I’ll just stick to the lifetime of results I’ve gotten by eating a Whole Foods diet with balance and joy.

Oh, okay, so it was just your uninformed opinion. Like I thought

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Anonymous wrote:No, they’re bashing Keto not women.

I’m another who is amazed at how people keep doing these fad diets.

Please come back when you can prove your words with solid conclusive research showing that keto is bad, period.

NP. No one said Keto was “bad.” It isn’t sustainable for many people, though. That’s why they yo-yo “on Keto” and “off” and cycle through losing/gaining the same 20 pounds.

If you physically have to do Keto for health reasons, God bless. Sorry. But people just looking to lose weight will statistically have better luck with a normal balanced diet.

Yep. I subscribe to Michael Pollan's advice: eat food (aka real food, not processed crap), not too much (don't overeat), mostly plants. I'm a pescatarian and I try to eat mostly foods my great-grandma would recognize as food.

I'm convinced our problem is massive portions, processed food, and too much red meat, not carbs or fats.

+1 hyper-focusing on “good” foods and “bad” foods and dropping whole categories of nutrients is against my personal ideal of balance, moderation, high wuality food, and common sense approach to nutrition (as I do not “diet”). That combined with regular activity has kept me fit and healthy over 40 years. The US is so weird about diet, weight, food, health, etc. (I say that as an American).

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Anonymous wrote:No, they’re bashing Keto not women.

I’m another who is amazed at how people keep doing these fad diets.

Please come back when you can prove your words with solid conclusive research showing that keto is bad, period.

Nah- I don’t care enough. I’ll just stick to the lifetime of results I’ve gotten by eating a Whole Foods diet with balance and joy.

Oh, okay, so it was just your uninformed opinion. Like I thought

It just gets hard to cheer for the same world (like you) that I’ve seen jump on whole 40 then Adkins the. Paleo then Keto-

I stay in the 110-118 range with complete ease and good health without restricting myself socially.

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I don't expect you to cheer. But when you criticize smth I expect you to be able to substantiate your words.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't expect you to cheer. But when you criticize smth I expect you to be able to substantiate your words.

NP. Here's our substantive evidence: the family members, friends and colleagues who are always on the hamster wheel and yapping about Keto.

Go ahead and drone on about how "ketchup has sugar, too, ya know." WE KNOW. We also know, from experience, that you'll be "off program" in three months. The weight will come back. Then you'll be "on program"--loudly, visibly--again in a few months, and you'll lose a few pounds.

If you keep the weight off for 5 years, I'll be interested in hearing more. Until then, please don't bother yammering to me.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the whole US emphasis on thin as a sign of beauty is sick. And I am a thin person. There seems to be an idea that denying yourself the pleasure of eating is some kind of a moral high ground. And that leads to eating disorders. Plenty of people have a healthy mind set about eating and weight all around the world. Fix the mind set, you will fix obesity crisis. Plenty of people enjoy food without feeling guilty about it. I assure you baguette with butter tastes good, so does steak, enjoying food doesn't lead to obesity, more likely opposite is true.

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Of course. This idea is called asceticism and it goes back thousands of years. You can still note its historical influence in both Buddhist and Christian monasticism, and also in the Catholic observance of lent and the cyclical fasts of the Orthodox church. I would disagree that this is just a US thing that is particular to our current culture and time because it's too universal, but I do agree that it can encourage or worsen an ED.

The religious facts aren’t only about a moral high ground. When one fasts and practices a religious ritual, they aren’t thinking about when they can leave for their next meal, what’s for dinner, or if they left an oven on: their thoughts are only on the ritual. When one fasts, one can get hyper-focused, and the lightheadedness can lead to hallucinations or epiphanies.

Adderall has the same effect

I commented upthread that I used to work with girls with EDs for a short period. I remember learning that this heightened focus is one of the initial side effects of restricting food. It was explained from an evolutionary perspective as the body's response to starvation--your focus heightens so that you can effectively scan your environment for food and obtain it. However, this initial effect goes away after a while as the eating disorder/starvation state progresses, and the body moves into conserving resources.