How will Wootton or RM be affected by new high school in Crown Farm?

[Anonymous]

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Yah but there are schools like Kennedy, Blair, Einstein and Wheaton which are very poor with lots of ESOL vs Churchill and Whitman that aren't. There is absolutely white flight happening in Eastern MoCo. Like at the neighborhoods around Eastern Middle, They were white middle class not that long ago. Look at Flower and piney Branch must people walking the streets there don't speak much English. White Oak is a slum

Kennedy ESOL: 26%
Blair ESOL: 18%
Einstein ESOL: 17%
Wheaton ESOL: 21%

Lots?

If 1 out of 4 or 5 people in your neighborhood was robbed would you say lots? Or is that normal where you live?

[Anonymous]

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Yah but there are schools like Kennedy, Blair, Einstein and Wheaton which are very poor with lots of ESOL vs Churchill and Whitman that aren't. There is absolutely white flight happening in Eastern MoCo. Like at the neighborhoods around Eastern Middle, They were white middle class not that long ago. Look at Flower and piney Branch must people walking the streets there don't speak much English. White Oak is a slum

Kennedy ESOL: 26%
Blair ESOL: 18%
Einstein ESOL: 17%
Wheaton ESOL: 21%

Lots?

Well, if we put affordable apartments in those neighborhoods, who do you think will move into them? We also tend to forget that people like to be with their own kind. I hate to put it that way, but it's the truth. White people like to be in neighborhoods with lots of other white people. Latinos like to be with other Latinos; Indians like to be with other Indians, and so on..

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Exactly. The main reason most fight for boundaries is not the school, but the home values. No one wants to watch close to 6 figures in equity slip away.

I wouldn’t want to buy a home in n area that may be rezoned. You could be upside down on your house. Who wants that.


The entire King Farm will move to Gaithersburg
Dufief and Fields will be moving to Crown
A good chunk of FARMS from Gaithersburg will be moving to Crown and maybe some to QO

All of MCPS could be rezoned. The BoE and MCPS do not, and should not, make decisions about education based on your property values, or anybody else's property values.

Also, there are not a lot of farms in Gaithersburg, and they don't go to high school. Perhaps you are referring to students who qualify for free and reduced meals?

The W areas are keeping Mo Co afloat. Once you rezone for equity - and that's the real reason - property values go down and people move out of the area. Look at Urbana. It's "Mo Co North." Frederick County, baby!

It's only a matter of time before Mo Co implodes b/c the school system can't handle the changes.

So people with means will either move or go private.

No they won't. As others have stated, not many people are going to move further north into Frederick County and risk a hellish commute. Likewise, with the increases in private school tuition not many people can easily afford spending $80k a year on private school tuition for 12 years.

There has been white flight in MC going to Howard, NOVA and DC for years. As Howard and Nova get wealthier and DC gets wealthier and whiter, MCPS gets darker and poorer. This is exactly what happened to PG county in the 80/90's. They had white flight to Calvert and MC. And now they currently have middle-income black flight. It has become more and more poor as the years go on. This is exactly what is happening to MCPS. People moving out to DC, NOVa, Howard, and Frederick. Changing the demographics drastically.

what a load of over-exaggeration. Maryland is the richest state in the country and majority of those rich folks live in MOCO. You act like we're Detroit. The issue isn't white flight. It's segregation.

White Flight is how segregation happens organically, the speed is more what is impacted by systemic policies that incentivize it. People have been leaving areas when ever people who they perceive to be an underclass move in for all of human history. Every culture has it's Gypsies

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yah but there are schools like Kennedy, Blair, Einstein and Wheaton which are very poor with lots of ESOL vs Churchill and Whitman that aren't. There is absolutely white flight happening in Eastern MoCo. Like at the neighborhoods around Eastern Middle, They were white middle class not that long ago. Look at Flower and piney Branch must people walking the streets there don't speak much English. White Oak is a slum

Kennedy ESOL: 26%
Blair ESOL: 18%
Einstein ESOL: 17%
Wheaton ESOL: 21%

Lots?

If 1 out of 4 or 5 people in your neighborhood was robbed would you say lots? Or is that normal where you live?

You're not comparing being in ESOL to being robbed, are you?

[Anonymous]

Robbed of a quality and organized learning environment

[Anonymous]

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Exactly. The main reason most fight for boundaries is not the school, but the home values. No one wants to watch close to 6 figures in equity slip away.

I wouldn’t want to buy a home in n area that may be rezoned. You could be upside down on your house. Who wants that.


The entire King Farm will move to Gaithersburg
Dufief and Fields will be moving to Crown
A good chunk of FARMS from Gaithersburg will be moving to Crown and maybe some to QO

All of MCPS could be rezoned. The BoE and MCPS do not, and should not, make decisions about education based on your property values, or anybody else's property values.

Also, there are not a lot of farms in Gaithersburg, and they don't go to high school. Perhaps you are referring to students who qualify for free and reduced meals?

The W areas are keeping Mo Co afloat. Once you rezone for equity - and that's the real reason - property values go down and people move out of the area. Look at Urbana. It's "Mo Co North." Frederick County, baby!

It's only a matter of time before Mo Co implodes b/c the school system can't handle the changes.

So people with means will either move or go private.

No they won't. As others have stated, not many people are going to move further north into Frederick County and risk a hellish commute. Likewise, with the increases in private school tuition not many people can easily afford spending $80k a year on private school tuition for 12 years.

There has been white flight in MC going to Howard, NOVA and DC for years. As Howard and Nova get wealthier and DC gets wealthier and whiter, MCPS gets darker and poorer. This is exactly what happened to PG county in the 80/90's. They had white flight to Calvert and MC. And now they currently have middle-income black flight. It has become more and more poor as the years go on. This is exactly what is happening to MCPS. People moving out to DC, NOVa, Howard, and Frederick. Changing the demographics drastically.

Many of the wealthy hite people leaving are going because of retirement. They are moving to less expensive areas to retire. This is not "white flight". Historically, white flight occurs white people leave a neighborhood after the neighborhood is 15% black. Then you see an greater increase in racial turnover.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yah but there are schools like Kennedy, Blair, Einstein and Wheaton which are very poor with lots of ESOL vs Churchill and Whitman that aren't. There is absolutely white flight happening in Eastern MoCo. Like at the neighborhoods around Eastern Middle, They were white middle class not that long ago. Look at Flower and piney Branch must people walking the streets there don't speak much English. White Oak is a slum

Kennedy ESOL: 26%
Blair ESOL: 18%
Einstein ESOL: 17%
Wheaton ESOL: 21%

Lots?

If 1 out of 4 or 5 people in your neighborhood was robbed would you say lots? Or is that normal where you live?

Which area where 1 of 4 people got robbed? Or are you talking out of your $$?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Robbed of a quality and organized learning environment

ESOL students are being robbed of a quality and organized learning environment?

[Anonymous]

This is just another example of unprovable anecdotes being tossed about as fact; however, there’s no evidence supporting this. It seems like the same poster over and over who clearly has an axe to grind.

[Anonymous]

I get 14 minutes from that intersection to Damascus HS and 26 minutes to Gaithersburg HS. You can't compare a car ride with a bus route that is making stops in a rural area to pick up students.

OK, that is fair point you have made. But in the morning commute period, Damascus HS still only takes 14 minutes, but you would never get to to Gaithersburg HS in 26 minutes, even driving directly there.

Also, and this is probably important, look at the bizarre shape of the Gaithersburg HS district, it's a barbell shape that expands into a much larger area at the end that's furthest from the school....there are an enormous number of households of every type that are much closer to the school than the furthest ends of Sundown and Griffith Road to the North East of Laytonsville.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Exactly. The main reason most fight for boundaries is not the school, but the home values. No one wants to watch close to 6 figures in equity slip away.

I wouldn’t want to buy a home in n area that may be rezoned. You could be upside down on your house. Who wants that.


The entire King Farm will move to Gaithersburg
Dufief and Fields will be moving to Crown
A good chunk of FARMS from Gaithersburg will be moving to Crown and maybe some to QO

All of MCPS could be rezoned. The BoE and MCPS do not, and should not, make decisions about education based on your property values, or anybody else's property values.

Also, there are not a lot of farms in Gaithersburg, and they don't go to high school. Perhaps you are referring to students who qualify for free and reduced meals?

The W areas are keeping Mo Co afloat. Once you rezone for equity - and that's the real reason - property values go down and people move out of the area. Look at Urbana. It's "Mo Co North." Frederick County, baby!

It's only a matter of time before Mo Co implodes b/c the school system can't handle the changes.

So people with means will either move or go private.

No they won't. As others have stated, not many people are going to move further north into Frederick County and risk a hellish commute. Likewise, with the increases in private school tuition not many people can easily afford spending $80k a year on private school tuition for 12 years.

There has been white flight in MC going to Howard, NOVA and DC for years. As Howard and Nova get wealthier and DC gets wealthier and whiter, MCPS gets darker and poorer. This is exactly what happened to PG county in the 80/90's. They had white flight to Calvert and MC. And now they currently have middle-income black flight. It has become more and more poor as the years go on. This is exactly what is happening to MCPS. People moving out to DC, NOVa, Howard, and Frederick. Changing the demographics drastically.

what a load of over-exaggeration. Maryland is the richest state in the country and majority of those rich folks live in MOCO. You act like we're Detroit. The issue isn't white flight. It's segregation.

White Flight is how segregation happens organically, the speed is more what is impacted by systemic policies that incentivize it. People have been leaving areas when ever people who they perceive to be an underclass move in for all of human history. Every culture has it's Gypsies

Perhaps, but the opposite has been going on here for the past two decades. Traditionally poor neighborhoods like Shaw or Logan which are now among the most desirable in the region.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is just another example of unprovable anecdotes being tossed about as fact; however, there’s no evidence supporting this. It seems like the same poster over and over who clearly has an axe to grind.

90% of the posts in this thread are people justifying their racism with folksy anecdotes that don't hold up to any scrutiny

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My larger question is why OP has decided he/she doesn't want to be districted to the new school, when no one knows what the district for the school will even be.

Many people simply don't like uncertainties. Yes, no one knows what the district will even be. The new school could turn out better, or worse, or comparable. But is it so hard to understand that people may not want that kind of "uncertainty"?

[Anonymous]

My larger question is why OP has decided he/she doesn't want to be districted to the new school, when no one knows what the district for the school will even be.

Many reasons.

1. Wootton is a top school. If you get redistricted out of Wootton there is no where else to go but down.
2. Getting underwater on your house can cause substantial financial harm you if you experience a sudden situation where you need to sell (death of a spouse, health, job loss). If your house all of sudden was less 80K less than it was a year ago, this is hard to make up for many people. While no one in MOCO should ever count on appreciation, so far most have not lost too much. School rezoning changes this.
3. Its disruptive and sad for kids when their friends go to one school and they get rezoned to another school. Rezoning that splits an elementary school is particularly evil to kids.
4. They already have to get too early and the bus rides take too long. Getting bused ever farther away sucks for anyone. You want your school to be as close as possible.

[Anonymous]

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My larger question is why OP has decided he/she doesn't want to be districted to the new school, when no one knows what the district for the school will even be.

Many reasons.

1. Wootton is a top school. If you get redistricted out of Wootton there is no where else to go but down.
2. Getting underwater on your house can cause substantial financial harm you if you experience a sudden situation where you need to sell (death of a spouse, health, job loss). If your house all of sudden was less 80K less than it was a year ago, this is hard to make up for many people. While no one in MOCO should ever count on appreciation, so far most have not lost too much. School rezoning changes this.
3. Its disruptive and sad for kids when their friends go to one school and they get rezoned to another school. Rezoning that splits an elementary school is particularly evil to kids.
4. They already have to get too early and the bus rides take too long. Getting bused ever farther away sucks for anyone. You want your school to be as close as possible.

Wooton is only a "top school" because its boundaries were gerrymandered to exclude low SES students. Normalize the farms rate to the county average and its scores are the same as almost anywhere else.