Was Obama indirectly responsible for Trump becoming president?

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Anonymous wrote:The only people responsible for Trump are his idiot voters. Personal responsibility (I know idiot Trumpsters only believe in that for other people; they continue to be lazy and do drugs and cry about their lot in life).

^^^ another example of why Trump won.

People were fed up with sanctimonious, holier-than-thou liberals who feel they know better than the "idiots" - who of course are people who disagree with them politically.

Still blaming others for your own actions? Grow a backbone. Trump voters chose a corrupt a-hole. That’s 100% on them.

Trumpsters never accept responsibility for anything.

It says a lot about you and the PPs who don't think Americans should be able to voice their opinions and vote for the person they want to see in office. That fact happens to be one of the main strengths of this wonderful country!

The whole point is that the turds say they didn’t even want to vote for Trump but did it just to spite the liberals. But they secretly did want to vote for Trump. So talk to them about voicing their opinion — they can’t seem to do it accurately.

Who is this "they" you are talking about? First, I don't know anyone who said they voted for trump to "spite the liberals" - although the hate is so strong on the liberal side that I expect they would do the same in reverse. No, many voted for him, nose held, because Hillary and democratic policies are even worse. Why would you be surprised? Two-thirds of the country said we were moving in the wrong direction under Trump. And Hillary was promising more of the same!

And the fact that you call people who didn't vote for your candidate "turds" proves the other PP 's point.

Honestly, no. I know many, many people from my hometown, including family members, who voted for Trump out of spite of Obama's "elitism." These are all people who exclusively listen to Fox news and right wing radio, so they have been told for years that Obama is the undoing of America, etc. If you hear something enough, you believe it and act accordingly.

The big thing is that it's a messaging that drove these people to vote the way they did. And it was definitely against their interests. All of these people live in communities that are going to be killed by the tariffs, didn't benefit from tax reform beyond a couple of bucks in their checks, and many of whom actually got healthcare for the first time because of Obama care. Doesn't matter. The message is clear, these liberals are evil and you have to stop them from...fill in the blank.

You even see it here. The messaging is crazy. It can make anyone turn on common sense.

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Many DCUM Trump supporters openly admit to voting out of spite.

I've never seen that, even once. I have though on several occasions read of liberals saying they would not hire or promote a Trump voter, and a couple even said they'd fire someone who voted for Trump. Talk about spiteful.

Democrats' idea of democracy is: you better vote for the Democrat, or you are a second-class citizen who will lose his job (or whatever other punishment we deem appropriate).

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The choice came down to two horrendous candidates: a horrendous candidate with policies I (mostly) disagree with, or a horrendous candidate with policies I (mostly) agree with. Choice B won.

That you equate a not well qualified candidate with this train wreck suggests you hate your country and your children who inherit the mess.

....actually, I rethought my answer:

I don't equate them. While they are both horrible, corrupt, and dishonest people, Hillary might be a tas etter on a personal level, but still pretty despicable. (She called all those Americans deplorable, for example.) Possibly. But no question that her democratic policies were worse. So I decided based on policies.

Now I know that this is a hard concept for liberals, but if Democrats put up a decent candidate with integrity, I most likely would have gone with him/her even though the policies were wrong. But considering that the D candidate was almost as bad on a personal level, and substantially worse on a policy level, I went with policy.

Trump's policies are horrible. So if we think you're horrible it's because you like his policies and could tolerate his corruption/lies/mess. Not just because "you voted for the other candidate".

Trump's policies are horrible IN YOUR OPINION. In my opinion, Obama's policies were horrible. But I don't think you're horrible because you supported them. I think you're misguided, unrealistically idealistic, or what-have-you, but I'm not an intolerant person who thinks peoplem with different political positions are horrible. That's the liberal mindset.

Charles Karauthammer had it right: conservatives think liberals are just dumb, but liberals think comservatives are evil.

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The choice came down to two horrendous candidates: a horrendous candidate with policies I (mostly) disagree with, or a horrendous candidate with policies I (mostly) agree with. Choice B won.

That you equate a not well qualified candidate with this train wreck suggests you hate your country and your children who inherit the mess.

Ah, so now you accuse me of hating my country, simply because I did not want a continuation of Obama's policies (which 2/3 of the country agreed were heading us in the wrong direction).

Do liberals go on the attack - racist! You hate the country! - when they disagree with a person's vote in order to drive them into silence? I thought we had free elections in this country, where people can choose which policies they prefer.

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I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but am certainly leaning towards doing that in 2020 because of 1) results so far, better than expected and 2) the profoundly un-democratic, divisive and elitist attitude shown by the "Democrats"

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The choice came down to two horrendous candidates: a horrendous candidate with policies I (mostly) disagree with, or a horrendous candidate with policies I (mostly) agree with. Choice B won.

That you equate a not well qualified candidate with this train wreck suggests you hate your country and your children who inherit the mess.

Ah, so now you accuse me of hating my country, simply because I did not want a continuation of Obama's policies (which 2/3 of the country agreed were heading us in the wrong direction).

Do liberals go on the attack - racist! You hate the country! - when they disagree with a person's vote in order to drive them into silence? I thought we had free elections in this country, where people can choose which policies they prefer.

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I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but am certainly leaning towards doing that in 2020 because of 1) results so far, better than expected and 2) the profoundly un-democratic, divisive and elitist attitude shown by the "Democrats"

I agree. I really didn't realize the degree of vicious hatred Democrats have toward people who didn't agree with their choice until I started reading this forum.

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The choice came down to two horrendous candidates: a horrendous candidate with policies I (mostly) disagree with, or a horrendous candidate with policies I (mostly) agree with. Choice B won.

That you equate a not well qualified candidate with this train wreck suggests you hate your country and your children who inherit the mess.

Ah, so now you accuse me of hating my country, simply because I did not want a continuation of Obama's policies (which 2/3 of the country agreed were heading us in the wrong direction).

Do liberals go on the attack - racist! You hate the country! - when they disagree with a person's vote in order to drive them into silence? I thought we had free elections in this country, where people can choose which policies they prefer.

Of course, you can. And we can call you out on that when we think the policies are crap.

Do you think it would have been okay for a "Robert De Niro" to say "F Obama" on a featured TV program if that person disagreed with his policies? I don't.