We are doing something wrong to women in our homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These numbers explain a lot. The emphasis on sexiness and hotness for women is MUCH more intense than it was when I grew up. It overwhelms all the other talk about the need for a woman to be educated, confident and career focused.
Look at actresses in the UK. There are many, many relatively normal looking women. In the US you must be a sex goddess.

Why do you give a crap about actresses? And do you have reason to believe that Northern Europeans like Swedes care less about their looks? To the best of my knowledge they are more concerned with looking good as they age than Americans .

Correct, poster like that are the very reason people ridicule these issues. Aside from being an excuse it simply is not true, the big push to call fat women curvy or sexy is fairly recent. Women have increased numbers in higher education year after year. She is absolutely freaking delusional. Women in Europe (and South American and Asia) put far more effort into their appearance than in the US on average simple observe obesity stats and look at the average womans clothes and hair. Her statement is beyond stupid.

This must be written by someone who hasn't lived in Europe. Very few European women are members of gyms or exercise clubs, they have a fraction of the clothes and jewelry and are far less inclined to have plastic surgery. Many go without much makeup at all. I certainly don't see the emphasis on sexiness that I do in the U.S. among teen girls, except perhaps those from eastern Europe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have told my daughters repeatedly not to get married. Chances are too high they will marry some needy ManChild who ignores them, the house and the kids in order to hide out at the office and have no other responsibilities.

Frankly what I really should tell them is to either get married or have kids, but never both.

You must be a great roll model. If you are so bad at picking a men why would they take any of your advice? You must be a real joy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have told my daughters repeatedly not to get married. Chances are too high they will marry some needy ManChild who ignores them, the house and the kids in order to hide out at the office and have no other responsibilities.

Frankly what I really should tell them is to either get married or have kids, but never both.

You realize they are going to one day deeply resent what you've done to them, don't you?

People like her don't think they feel. And what they think wont matter, her feels will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow, IMO, the message that mothers and daughters are inferior to fathers and sons is getting louder and the roots are spreading and deepening. I believe the seeds of this message germinate in our homes, and then society. If we are serious about erasing gender inequality, we have to stop and take inventory of our behavior at home - and assess how those norms may be inadvertently sending our DH and DC the wrong messages.

A recent report by The World Economic Forum says that "equality is in retreat" for the first time since the group starting tracking the issue in 2006. The report, which examines gender imbalances in economics and the workplace, education, politics and health, found that years of global gains made by women are beginning to erode.

The U.S. slipped four spots to 49th out of 144 countries. It now ranks behind countries including the United Kingdom (15th), Australia (35th) and Bangladesh (47th). Back in 2006, the U.S. was in the 23rd spot. Here's the ranking of the best 10 countries for gender equality:

1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Finland
4. Rwanda
5. Sweden
6. Nicaragua
7. Slovenia
8. Ireland
9. New Zealand
10. Philippines

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/02/news/gender-gap-inequality/index.html

Well, ladies, what are you waiting for? Rwanda and Nicaragua beckon.

A wave of DCUM, being so much better than everyone else, would turn them into thriving economies in no time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These numbers explain a lot. The emphasis on sexiness and hotness for women is MUCH more intense than it was when I grew up. It overwhelms all the other talk about the need for a woman to be educated, confident and career focused.
Look at actresses in the UK. There are many, many relatively normal looking women. In the US you must be a sex goddess.

Why do you give a crap about actresses? And do you have reason to believe that Northern Europeans like Swedes care less about their looks? To the best of my knowledge they are more concerned with looking good as they age than Americans .

Correct, poster like that are the very reason people ridicule these issues. Aside from being an excuse it simply is not true, the big push to call fat women curvy or sexy is fairly recent. Women have increased numbers in higher education year after year. She is absolutely freaking delusional. Women in Europe (and South American and Asia) put far more effort into their appearance than in the US on average simple observe obesity stats and look at the average womans clothes and hair. Her statement is beyond stupid.

This must be written by someone who hasn't lived in Europe. Very few European women are members of gyms or exercise clubs, they have a fraction of the clothes and jewelry and are far less inclined to have plastic surgery. Many go without much makeup at all. I certainly don't see the emphasis on sexiness that I do in the U.S. among teen girls, except perhaps those from eastern Europe.

Wrong I have lived there and travel there frequently. They don't need gyms because they don't eat better and do this crazy thing called going outside to do activities. The obesity rates do not lie, neither do the American women you can spot easily in a crowd do to their size. Your post a side from trying to mislead on obesity points out exactly why they tend to be more attractive. "A fraction of the clothes", a side from making it sound like they are poor, which they are not, they tend to own quality clothes, not cheap crap. And it shows. They also tend to have better taste. Plastic surgery is not doesn't even factor in, really plastic surgery. Sexiness, they dress far sexier, I think you are mistaking sleazy for sexy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These numbers explain a lot. The emphasis on sexiness and hotness for women is MUCH more intense than it was when I grew up. It overwhelms all the other talk about the need for a woman to be educated, confident and career focused.
Look at actresses in the UK. There are many, many relatively normal looking women. In the US you must be a sex goddess.

Why do you give a crap about actresses? And do you have reason to believe that Northern Europeans like Swedes care less about their looks? To the best of my knowledge they are more concerned with looking good as they age than Americans .

Correct, poster like that are the very reason people ridicule these issues. Aside from being an excuse it simply is not true, the big push to call fat women curvy or sexy is fairly recent. Women have increased numbers in higher education year after year. She is absolutely freaking delusional. Women in Europe (and South American and Asia) put far more effort into their appearance than in the US on average simple observe obesity stats and look at the average womans clothes and hair. Her statement is beyond stupid.

This must be written by someone who hasn't lived in Europe. Very few European women are members of gyms or exercise clubs, they have a fraction of the clothes and jewelry and are far less inclined to have plastic surgery. Many go without much makeup at all. I certainly don't see the emphasis on sexiness that I do in the U.S. among teen girls, except perhaps those from eastern Europe.

Wrong I have lived there and travel there frequently. They don't need gyms because they don't eat better and do this crazy thing called going outside to do activities. The obesity rates do not lie, neither do the American women you can spot easily in a crowd do to their size. Your post a side from trying to mislead on obesity points out exactly why they tend to be more attractive. "A fraction of the clothes", a side from making it sound like they are poor, which they are not, they tend to own quality clothes, not cheap crap. And it shows. They also tend to have better taste. Plastic surgery is not doesn't even factor in, really plastic surgery. Sexiness, they dress far sexier, I think you are mistaking sleazy for sexy.

Additionally they are far less likely to be a whining drama queen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somehow, IMO, the message that mothers and daughters are inferior to fathers and sons is getting louder and the roots are spreading and deepening. I believe the seeds of this message germinate in our homes, and then society. If we are serious about erasing gender inequality, we have to stop and take inventory of our behavior at home - and assess how those norms may be inadvertently sending our DH and DC the wrong messages.

A recent report by The World Economic Forum says that "equality is in retreat" for the first time since the group starting tracking the issue in 2006. The report, which examines gender imbalances in economics and the workplace, education, politics and health, found that years of global gains made by women are beginning to erode.

The U.S. slipped four spots to 49th out of 144 countries. It now ranks behind countries including the United Kingdom (15th), Australia (35th) and Bangladesh (47th). Back in 2006, the U.S. was in the 23rd spot. Here's the ranking of the best 10 countries for gender equality:

1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Finland
4. Rwanda
5. Sweden
6. Nicaragua
7. Slovenia
8. Ireland
9. New Zealand
10. Philippines

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/02/news/gender-gap-inequality/index.html

Well, ladies, what are you waiting for? Rwanda and Nicaragua beckon.

A wave of DCUM, being so much better than everyone else, would turn them into thriving economies in no time.

+1 If you seriously believe that Bangladesh has better gender equality than the United States, you are a moron. But by all means, move to Bangladesh. I mean, male family members may kill you for having a boyfriend or dancing in public, but other than that it is way better than the United States.

[Anonymous]

While I see merit in the point OP is trying to make, the article is sh*t. Who reads this garbage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These numbers explain a lot. The emphasis on sexiness and hotness for women is MUCH more intense than it was when I grew up. It overwhelms all the other talk about the need for a woman to be educated, confident and career focused.
Look at actresses in the UK. There are many, many relatively normal looking women. In the US you must be a sex goddess.

Why do you give a crap about actresses? And do you have reason to believe that Northern Europeans like Swedes care less about their looks? To the best of my knowledge they are more concerned with looking good as they age than Americans .

Correct, poster like that are the very reason people ridicule these issues. Aside from being an excuse it simply is not true, the big push to call fat women curvy or sexy is fairly recent. Women have increased numbers in higher education year after year. She is absolutely freaking delusional. Women in Europe (and South American and Asia) put far more effort into their appearance than in the US on average simple observe obesity stats and look at the average womans clothes and hair. Her statement is beyond stupid.

This must be written by someone who hasn't lived in Europe. Very few European women are members of gyms or exercise clubs, they have a fraction of the clothes and jewelry and are far less inclined to have plastic surgery. Many go without much makeup at all. I certainly don't see the emphasis on sexiness that I do in the U.S. among teen girls, except perhaps those from eastern Europe.

Wrong I have lived there and travel there frequently. They don't need gyms because they don't eat better and do this crazy thing called going outside to do activities. The obesity rates do not lie, neither do the American women you can spot easily in a crowd do to their size. Your post a side from trying to mislead on obesity points out exactly why they tend to be more attractive. "A fraction of the clothes", a side from making it sound like they are poor, which they are not, they tend to own quality clothes, not cheap crap. And it shows. They also tend to have better taste. Plastic surgery is not doesn't even factor in, really plastic surgery. Sexiness, they dress far sexier, I think you are mistaking sleazy for sexy.

Additionally they are far less likely to be a whining drama queen.

As a fairly large European woman I can assure you that there's plenty of us in Europe, including Scandinavia.

[Anonymous]

As a fairly large European woman I can assure you that there's plenty of us in Europe, including Scandinavia

Statistically not as many, except in the U.K., as in the US.

[Anonymous]

#10 lol that's a definite no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These numbers explain a lot. The emphasis on sexiness and hotness for women is MUCH more intense than it was when I grew up. It overwhelms all the other talk about the need for a woman to be educated, confident and career focused.
Look at actresses in the UK. There are many, many relatively normal looking women. In the US you must be a sex goddess.

Why do you give a crap about actresses? And do you have reason to believe that Northern Europeans like Swedes care less about their looks? To the best of my knowledge they are more concerned with looking good as they age than Americans .

Correct, poster like that are the very reason people ridicule these issues. Aside from being an excuse it simply is not true, the big push to call fat women curvy or sexy is fairly recent. Women have increased numbers in higher education year after year. She is absolutely freaking delusional. Women in Europe (and South American and Asia) put far more effort into their appearance than in the US on average simple observe obesity stats and look at the average womans clothes and hair. Her statement is beyond stupid.

This must be written by someone who hasn't lived in Europe. Very few European women are members of gyms or exercise clubs, they have a fraction of the clothes and jewelry and are far less inclined to have plastic surgery. Many go without much makeup at all. I certainly don't see the emphasis on sexiness that I do in the U.S. among teen girls, except perhaps those from eastern Europe.

Wrong I have lived there and travel there frequently. They don't need gyms because they don't eat better and do this crazy thing called going outside to do activities. The obesity rates do not lie, neither do the American women you can spot easily in a crowd do to their size. Your post a side from trying to mislead on obesity points out exactly why they tend to be more attractive. "A fraction of the clothes", a side from making it sound like they are poor, which they are not, they tend to own quality clothes, not cheap crap. And it shows. They also tend to have better taste. Plastic surgery is not doesn't even factor in, really plastic surgery. Sexiness, they dress far sexier, I think you are mistaking sleazy for sexy.

Additionally they are far less likely to be a whining drama queen.

As a fairly large European woman I can assure you that there's plenty of us in Europe, including Scandinavia.[/quote


Did they deport you? Just kidding. Glad to have you here

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While I see merit in the point OP is trying to make, the article is sh*t. Who reads this garbage?

I dont see her point. The message being seems like pandering to women/girls honestly. The study if she would have bothered to actually look at it and not the click bait title. The methodology section , how the result were actually determined from the data was pretty sloppy and not detailed. if you look hard you see work force participation (wfp) was factored in, not by removing the non-working but including them because it is womans earning overall as a group. Womens work force participation is currently the same as in 2008. It peaked in 2013 and has been declining since. Women not choosing to work lowered the ranking not some evil conspiracy. The drop in wfp reached a point where over all earning for women as a group dropped compared to men. That is also why Rwanda and the Philippines womens wfp there is over 80%, because they are poor, under developed countries everyone in the family works at low skilled , low paying jobs to survive. In the US it was 57% in 2016 and estimated in the 56% range for 2017.
No message is being sent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While I see merit in the point OP is trying to make, the article is sh*t. Who reads this garbage?

I dont see her point. The message being seems like pandering to women/girls honestly. The study if she would have bothered to actually look at it and not the click bait title. The methodology section , how the result were actually determined from the data was pretty sloppy and not detailed. if you look hard you see work force participation (wfp) was factored in, not by removing the non-working but including them because it is womans earning overall as a group. Womens work force participation is currently the same as in 2008. It peaked in 2013 and has been declining since. Women not choosing to work lowered the ranking not some evil conspiracy. The drop in wfp reached a point where over all earning for women as a group dropped compared to men. That is also why Rwanda and the Philippines womens wfp there is over 80%, because they are poor, under developed countries everyone in the family works at low skilled , low paying jobs to survive. In the US it was 57% in 2016 and estimated in the 56% range for 2017.
No message is being sent.

I'm OP and, fwiw, I'm a black male. Thanks to all who weighed in.

Point(s) well taken to those who took issue with the study's methodology. I agree, it wasn't the most robust way to try to determine what the drivers are that perpetuate this problem.

And that was the point of my post - gender inequality is a persistent problem and that it's past time we get serious about addressing the factors that cause it.

[Anonymous]

You guys are so serious with all of your scientific methodology lingo.

I'm shocked that the Philippines is number ten on that list. Every other top ten country on that list is well known for their wretched women