NOVA Stats for spring '17 UVA, W & M & Tech acceptances (or not)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: UVA and W&M affirmatively do not want NOVA applicants or students. They want NOVA tax revenue, but those of us that live here are poison and are to be avoided. A GPA barely above a B+ from a school in seven central Virginia counties, together with standardized test scores in roughly the 75+ percentile, is enough for UVA, from that locality. The NOVA requirements are dramatically higher. UVA and W&M demand, receive, hold, and expend public funds. But they do NOT equally accommodate VA resident applicants by any measure.

Completely and verifiably UNTRUE. UVA's class of 2020 has 1130 students from Northern Virginia out of a class of 3720 (source: http://admission.virginia.edu/uva-admission-quotas-northern-virginia). UVA accepted 224 kids from my D's Northern VA HS last year (TJ).

Read this blog from UVA admissions for more info on how UVA selects its student body: http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/

[Anonymous]

Thank you, 21:43.

Some of the posts are just sour grapes. It's nice to see some real data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: UVA and W&M affirmatively do not want NOVA applicants or students. They want NOVA tax revenue, but those of us that live here are poison and are to be avoided. A GPA barely above a B+ from a school in seven central Virginia counties, together with standardized test scores in roughly the 75+ percentile, is enough for UVA, from that locality. The NOVA requirements are dramatically higher. UVA and W&M demand, receive, hold, and expend public funds. But they do NOT equally accommodate VA resident applicants by any measure.

Completely and verifiably UNTRUE. UVA's class of 2020 has 1130 students from Northern Virginia out of a class of 3720 (source: http://admission.virginia.edu/uva-admission-quotas-northern-virginia). UVA accepted 224 kids from my D's Northern VA HS last year (TJ).

Read this blog from UVA admissions for more info on how UVA selects its student body: http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/

.

But compare qualifications. That figure should have been 75%, if merits admissions practices were adopted.

So does this mean you've acknowledged that this is substantially at taxpayer expense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: UVA and W&M affirmatively do not want NOVA applicants or students. They want NOVA tax revenue, but those of us that live here are poison and are to be avoided. A GPA barely above a B+ from a school in seven central Virginia counties, together with standardized test scores in roughly the 75+ percentile, is enough for UVA, from that locality. The NOVA requirements are dramatically higher. UVA and W&M demand, receive, hold, and expend public funds. But they do NOT equally accommodate VA resident applicants by any measure.

Completely and verifiably UNTRUE. UVA's class of 2020 has 1130 students from Northern Virginia out of a class of 3720 (source: http://admission.virginia.edu/uva-admission-quotas-northern-virginia). UVA accepted 224 kids from my D's Northern VA HS last year (TJ).

Read this blog from UVA admissions for more info on how UVA selects its student body: http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/

.

But compare qualifications. That figure should have been 75%, if merits admissions practices were adopted.

So does this mean you've acknowledged that this is substantially at taxpayer expense?

The State of Virginia provides approximately 9.3% of UVA's annual budget funding (source: http://www.virginia.edu/budget/Docs/FY2016-17%20TOTAL%20ACADEMIC%20BUDGET%20for%20Website.pdf)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: UVA and W&M affirmatively do not want NOVA applicants or students. They want NOVA tax revenue, but those of us that live here are poison and are to be avoided. A GPA barely above a B+ from a school in seven central Virginia counties, together with standardized test scores in roughly the 75+ percentile, is enough for UVA, from that locality. The NOVA requirements are dramatically higher. UVA and W&M demand, receive, hold, and expend public funds. But they do NOT equally accommodate VA resident applicants by any measure.

Completely and verifiably UNTRUE. UVA's class of 2020 has 1130 students from Northern Virginia out of a class of 3720 (source: http://admission.virginia.edu/uva-admission-quotas-northern-virginia). UVA accepted 224 kids from my D's Northern VA HS last year (TJ).

Read this blog from UVA admissions for more info on how UVA selects its student body: http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/

.

But compare qualifications. That figure should have been 75%, if merits admissions practices were adopted.

So does this mean you've acknowledged that this is substantially at taxpayer expense?

The State of Virginia provides approximately 9.3% of UVA's annual budget funding (source: http://www.virginia.edu/budget/Docs/FY2016-17%20TOTAL%20ACADEMIC%20BUDGET%20for%20Website.pdf)

NP here. Virginia's population is approx 8.38 million and Northern VA population is approx 2.775 mil so Northern VA makes up roughly 1/3 of the state's population. Northern VA students make up 30.4% of UVA's class of 2020 so slightly underrepresented but certainly not by a huge amount.

[Anonymous]

Logic fail there

that's assuming that everyone around the state is equal

Look here are all the facts we know.....

If you are from Rest of Virginia, a minority except Asian, athlete, legacy, some weird talent/hook you are going to have a much easier time getting into UVA

vs your typical white/Asian from your average high school in NoVa where you are going to have to be in the top 10% which is fair

I think we have people freaking out who have kids in say the 25-10% range of their class.

To that I say JMU/GMU/etc,etc are great schools where it is possible to be successful and most importantly happy afterwards

P.S. TJ is a magnet school which draws from the elites within NoVa that's why rightfully the acceptance rates are higher (most of these kids would be top 10% at their homeschools..... why TJ even exists is a topic for another time :-p)

[Anonymous]

Robinson had 700+ seniors this year. 156 IB Diploma candidates. @45 UVA acceptances and @35 are going.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Robinson had 700+ seniors this year. 156 IB Diploma candidates. @45 UVA acceptances and @35 are going.

Totally reasonable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: UVA and W&M affirmatively do not want NOVA applicants or students. They want NOVA tax revenue, but those of us that live here are poison and are to be avoided. A GPA barely above a B+ from a school in seven central Virginia counties, together with standardized test scores in roughly the 75+ percentile, is enough for UVA, from that locality. The NOVA requirements are dramatically higher. UVA and W&M demand, receive, hold, and expend public funds. But they do NOT equally accommodate VA resident applicants by any measure.

Completely and verifiably UNTRUE. UVA's class of 2020 has 1130 students from Northern Virginia out of a class of 3720 (source: http://admission.virginia.edu/uva-admission-quotas-northern-virginia). UVA accepted 224 kids from my D's Northern VA HS last year (TJ).

Read this blog from UVA admissions for more info on how UVA selects its student body: http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/

.

But compare qualifications. That figure should have been 75%, if merits admissions practices were adopted.

So does this mean you've acknowledged that this is substantially at taxpayer expense?

The State of Virginia provides approximately 9.3% of UVA's annual budget funding (source: http://www.virginia.edu/budget/Docs/FY2016-17%20TOTAL%20ACADEMIC%20BUDGET%20for%20Website.pdf)

Sigh.

You're looking only at the Op budget, not Cap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robinson had 700+ seniors this year. 156 IB Diploma candidates. @45 UVA acceptances and @35 are going.

Totally reasonable

says you. based on what?

Anyone who gets an IB diploma has done some serious work. I would expect to see higher than 30% accepted from that group. But, I guess we don't know from what was posted how many actually applied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robinson had 700+ seniors this year. 156 IB Diploma candidates. @45 UVA acceptances and @35 are going.

Totally reasonable

says you. based on what?

Anyone who gets an IB diploma has done some serious work. I would expect to see higher than 30% accepted from that group. But, I guess we don't know from what was posted how many actually applied.

IB full diploma is very impressive. But, Two things. Not every IB diploma candidate makes it through. And (even more shocking), not every kid wants to attend UVA. In fact, I would think WM would appeal more to many of these kids. You need the applied vs accepted numbers for kids who ultimately get the full diploma to make sense of the data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robinson had 700+ seniors this year. 156 IB Diploma candidates. @45 UVA acceptances and @35 are going.

Totally reasonable

says you. based on what?

Anyone who gets an IB diploma has done some serious work. I would expect to see higher than 30% accepted from that group. But, I guess we don't know from what was posted how many actually applied.

IB full diploma is very impressive. But, Two things. Not every IB diploma candidate makes it through. And (even more shocking), not every kid wants to attend UVA. In fact, I would think WM would appeal more to many of these kids. You need the applied vs accepted numbers for kids who ultimately get the full diploma to make sense of the data.

There is nothing special about IB diploma students. Many have average SAT/ACT scores and are lucky to get into JMU/GMU/VCU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: UVA and W&M affirmatively do not want NOVA applicants or students. They want NOVA tax revenue, but those of us that live here are poison and are to be avoided. A GPA barely above a B+ from a school in seven central Virginia counties, together with standardized test scores in roughly the 75+ percentile, is enough for UVA, from that locality. The NOVA requirements are dramatically higher. UVA and W&M demand, receive, hold, and expend public funds. But they do NOT equally accommodate VA resident applicants by any measure.

Completely and verifiably UNTRUE. UVA's class of 2020 has 1130 students from Northern Virginia out of a class of 3720 (source: http://admission.virginia.edu/uva-admission-quotas-northern-virginia). UVA accepted 224 kids from my D's Northern VA HS last year (TJ).

Read this blog from UVA admissions for more info on how UVA selects its student body: http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/

.

But compare qualifications. That figure should have been 75%, if merits admissions practices were adopted.

So does this mean you've acknowledged that this is substantially at taxpayer expense?

The State of Virginia provides approximately 9.3% of UVA's annual budget funding (source: http://www.virginia.edu/budget/Docs/FY2016-17%20TOTAL%20ACADEMIC%20BUDGET%20for%20Website.pdf)

Sigh.

You're looking only at the Op budget, not Cap.

It's the University of Virginia not the University of Northern Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robinson had 700+ seniors this year. 156 IB Diploma candidates. @45 UVA acceptances and @35 are going.

Totally reasonable

says you. based on what?

Anyone who gets an IB diploma has done some serious work. I would expect to see higher than 30% accepted from that group. But, I guess we don't know from what was posted how many actually applied.

IB full diploma is very impressive. But, Two things. Not every IB diploma candidate makes it through. And (even more shocking), not every kid wants to attend UVA. In fact, I would think WM would appeal more to many of these kids. You need the applied vs accepted numbers for kids who ultimately get the full diploma to make sense of the data.

There is nothing special about IB diploma students. Many have average SAT/ACT scores and are lucky to get into JMU/GMU/VCU.

No IB kid, so no dog in this fight. But we looked at IB pupil placement closely for my TJ kid. To go full diploma, you have to take mostly two year course sequences across the 4 core subjects (math, history, English and a science) plus a foreign language, plus a sixth subject. And pass tests in all these areas. Plus take Theory of Knowlege. Plus do at least 50 hours of community service, physical fitness (action), and fine arts (creativity), plus write a significant thesis. Plus probably some other things I'm forgetting.

Now, maybe for NOVA, this is NBD and run of the mill, etc. But most people consider this a rigorous program that takes a lot of commitment, requires a strong writer, and requires a student who can hold their own academically, across the board. They can't have a truly weak subject and still pass exams in all six areas. Plus, a student who put a lot of time into all the extras. It's an impressive achievement, and there is no need to knock down the kids who put in the work to achieve this.

I will add, though, that you can also get a career certification IB diploma, which is more voc-tech. Some school do not break IB diplomas down by type. So do the 100 kids who get an IB diploma, it is certainly possible that half get the career technical diploma and not the full,academic one.

[Anonymous]

I thought Virginia Tech was a welding school?

I'd be disgusted if my kid had to go there.