FCPS Petition to School Board to respect all student rights

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, PP, so religion trumps identity, right? In a secular school, the religion mandate is a be all end all while transgender kids just have desires?

Cuckoo! Cuckoo! This is not a private religious school system. Too bad, so sad.

I suggest no one sign that bigoted petition. The comments are insane, including some from prominent dentists, etc in the area.

Wrong. What the post at 15:57 was stating is a mere fact that students with modesty requirement outnumber the trans student, which is an undeniable truth in the diverse Fairfax county public school system. If you add all the students coming from various cultures with this modesty requirement (Korea, China, India, and many many more), plus all the students coming from various religions with this requirement (Christians, Catholics, Muslims, Hinduisms, Buddhism and many many more), the total number is way higher than the number of transgender students.

Now, the SB wants to protect them all. That's fine. But what is not fine is to sacrifice the rights of a large group of kids to meet the needs of a small group of students. The non discrimination policy should be equally applied.

[Anonymous]

No, 15:57 stated religious children absolutely cannot compromise, and that "maybe" transgender students should be accommodated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, 15:57 stated religious children absolutely cannot compromise, and that "maybe" transgender students should be accommodated.

You're making this up right there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I suggest no one sign that bigoted petition. The comments are insane, including some from prominent dentists, etc in the area.

Agreed.

(No idea about the dentists, though.)

[Anonymous]

"There are transgender students too. If they have very huge issues changing with the same anatomical sex, perhaps they should be accommodated"

But yeah I'm making it up, ooookay.

[Anonymous]

If transgender students have a problem with changing with the same anatomical sex, then perhaps they should be accommodated.

If religious students have a problem with changing with the opposite anatomical sex, then perhaps they should be accommodated.

How do you accommodate both? Seems there is a problem with trying to accommodate both. Private accommodations for all? We're already cash strapped.

What solution do you suggest?

Either way, it is being claimed as discrimination. Those for trans access, seem to keep saying that those with religious moral needs for sex segregation don't count. The lesser group in number should be the ones accommodated. It's only in the past couple years that transgender people have been saying it's discriminatory to make them use the bathroom of their anatomical sex. Why is that discrimination? They are with people that are the same physically.

If segregation becomes solely separate by "gender identity", then why do people need to separate by how they perceive themselves? Why is that a need to segregate at all? I can see rationale for public segregation by sex, as there are sex assaults, rapes, peeping, etc which is a real issue, and are crimes. Is strict sex segregation wrong? Especially since there is a majority of people that mandate this for themselves, for ethnic, cultural, safety and yes, even religious, reasons.

Do we make an Amish male student dress next to an anatomical female against his culture and faith? Do we make a Muslim girl get dressed next to an anatomical male against her faith? Do we make an Iranian girl change in front of the opposite sex, against her modesty requirements?

There are very diverse needs. Society has evolved to meet the needs of sex segregation as the least common denominator means of protecting safety and modesty.

If students are told boys can now enter the girls bathroom, and the regulation says they can't tell students who is transgender, how are the girls to know which boy entering is transgender, and which boy is there to peep on the cute girl they like? When there is an event with adults and children, is it safe to let any adult male enter with the young girls?

How do we accommodate all those who can't change next to the transgender student? How would that transgender student feel if all those students with lockers around them opt for private changing rooms, leaving them feeling like an outcast?

We need to face reality of the diverse needs, and the reality of the facilities we have to work with. How do you reasonably accommodate them all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want to know why the person who started it is too embarassed to put their name on it.

Why are you too embarrassed to put your name on your post?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I suggest no one sign that bigoted petition. The comments are insane, including some from prominent dentists, etc in the area.

Agreed.

(No idea about the dentists, though.)

Which part is bigoted? Which comments are insane?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the petition is full of hateful comments. I would be embarassed to put my name on that. I'm looking through it now to see if any of them are at my child's school so I can avoid play dates.

Exactly which comments are so full of "hate"?

Here are some samples:

"I'm signing because this petition aligns perfectly with common sense. "

"This is a subject that demands respectful conversation and consideration."

"This petition is well written and said - all students' rights have to be fairly respected, not just some special group."

Come on, show us the "hate".

Oh, don't cherry pick the bigots who happen to be well spoken. How about:

"You need to respect normal student right and not brainwash them to accept LGBT value"

"Please offer choices so that a straight student has a choice not to sit through FLE"

And the top comment is by someone who frequently speaks, hatefully, at board meetings.

These are bigoted statements? Jesus CHRIST liberals are NUTS. These people are simply asking for choices. It's liberals who not only want to deny choice, but to insult and ridicule to force their LACK of choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the petition is full of hateful comments. I would be embarassed to put my name on that. I'm looking through it now to see if any of them are at my child's school so I can avoid play dates.

Exactly which comments are so full of "hate"?

Here are some samples:

"I'm signing because this petition aligns perfectly with common sense. "

"This is a subject that demands respectful conversation and consideration."

"This petition is well written and said - all students' rights have to be fairly respected, not just some special group."

Come on, show us the "hate".

Oh, don't cherry pick the bigots who happen to be well spoken. How about:

"You need to respect normal student right and not brainwash them to accept LGBT value"

"Please offer choices so that a straight student has a choice not to sit through FLE"

And the top comment is by someone who frequently speaks, hatefully, at board meetings.

These are bigoted statements? Jesus CHRIST liberals are NUTS. These people are simply asking for choices. It's liberals who not only want to deny choice, but to insult and ridicule to force their LACK of choice.

What I like to do is to substitute some minority...

You need to respect normal student and not brainwash them to accept black (or jewish or muslim or christian values.

That is horribly offensive. Ergo, "You need to respect normal student right and not brainwash them to accept LGBT value" is offensive.

BTW, parents can opt out of FLE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to know why the person who started it is too embarassed to put their name on it.

Why are you too embarrassed to put your name on your post?

This is an anonymous forum. I would gladly put my name on a counter petition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the petition is full of hateful comments. I would be embarassed to put my name on that. I'm looking through it now to see if any of them are at my child's school so I can avoid play dates.

Exactly which comments are so full of "hate"?

Here are some samples:

"I'm signing because this petition aligns perfectly with common sense. "

"This is a subject that demands respectful conversation and consideration."

"This petition is well written and said - all students' rights have to be fairly respected, not just some special group."

Come on, show us the "hate".

Oh, don't cherry pick the bigots who happen to be well spoken. How about:

"You need to respect normal student right and not brainwash them to accept LGBT value"

"Please offer choices so that a straight student has a choice not to sit through FLE"

And the top comment is by someone who frequently speaks, hatefully, at board meetings.

These are bigoted statements? Jesus CHRIST liberals are NUTS. These people are simply asking for choices. It's liberals who not only want to deny choice, but to insult and ridicule to force their LACK of choice.

Yes, calling LGBT people abnormal and suggesting they are brainwashing people is bigoted and nuts. How about the comments that FCPS is running some sort of conspiracy?

Also, no one has to participate in FLE so it sounds like the conservatives are just stupid. I'm curious what your issue is? It clearly isn't religious based or you wouldn't be using the Lord's name in vain. Just your run of the mill bigot? What a sad, pathetic little jerk you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the petition is full of hateful comments. I would be embarassed to put my name on that. I'm looking through it now to see if any of them are at my child's school so I can avoid play dates.

Exactly which comments are so full of "hate"?

Here are some samples:

"I'm signing because this petition aligns perfectly with common sense. "

"This is a subject that demands respectful conversation and consideration."

"This petition is well written and said - all students' rights have to be fairly respected, not just some special group."

Come on, show us the "hate".

Oh, don't cherry pick the bigots who happen to be well spoken. How about:

"You need to respect normal student right and not brainwash them to accept LGBT value"

"Please offer choices so that a straight student has a choice not to sit through FLE"

And the top comment is by someone who frequently speaks, hatefully, at board meetings.

These are bigoted statements? Jesus CHRIST liberals are NUTS. These people are simply asking for choices. It's liberals who not only want to deny choice, but to insult and ridicule to force their LACK of choice.

What I like to do is to substitute some minority...

You need to respect normal student and not brainwash them to accept black (or jewish or muslim or christian values.

That is horribly offensive. Ergo, "You need to respect normal student right and not brainwash them to accept LGBT value" is offensive.

BTW, parents can opt out of FLE.

Bet it would be a whole different story if you put replaced "LGBT" with "Christian."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the petition is full of hateful comments. I would be embarassed to put my name on that. I'm looking through it now to see if any of them are at my child's school so I can avoid play dates.

Exactly which comments are so full of "hate"?

Here are some samples:

"I'm signing because this petition aligns perfectly with common sense. "

"This is a subject that demands respectful conversation and consideration."

"This petition is well written and said - all students' rights have to be fairly respected, not just some special group."

Come on, show us the "hate".

Oh, don't cherry pick the bigots who happen to be well spoken. How about:

"You need to respect normal student right and not brainwash them to accept LGBT value"

"Please offer choices so that a straight student has a choice not to sit through FLE"

And the top comment is by someone who frequently speaks, hatefully, at board meetings.

These are bigoted statements? Jesus CHRIST liberals are NUTS. These people are simply asking for choices. It's liberals who not only want to deny choice, but to insult and ridicule to force their LACK of choice.

What I like to do is to substitute some minority...

You need to respect normal student and not brainwash them to accept black (or jewish or muslim or christian values.

That is horribly offensive. Ergo, "You need to respect normal student right and not brainwash them to accept LGBT value" is offensive.

BTW, parents can opt out of FLE.

Bet it would be a whole different story if you put replaced "LGBT" with "Christian."

Just wondering if SB mentions how this will be implemented in the schools. On a case by case basis? or will every school have to comply at once? how much will this cost? dividers/retro-fitting bathrooms/staff to handle implementation? sorry if I missed it in the thread. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Just wondering if SB mentions how this will be implemented in the schools. On a case by case basis? or will every school have to comply at once? how much will this cost? dividers/retro-fitting bathrooms/staff to handle implementation? sorry if I missed it in the thread. Thank you.

I'm no expert on this, but I think that the SB has ignored the fact that the implementation is the problem. Right now, they are in that lala land they live in. They NEVER consider unintended consequences.