FCPS Petition to School Board to respect all student rights

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I talked to my SB member. Her comment was the guideline is in line with federal guidelines. They shall ignore the petition.

They would have ignored the petition in any case. The SB never takes citizen input seriously.

They know this change is unpopular, which is why it will be passed in the dead of summer at an non-televised event.

When everyone goes back to school and starts to wake up, it will be a done deal.

I pity the poor school administrators who will have to work within this ill conceived policy.

Unpopular with whom? The crazies on DCUM? I'm an FCPS parent and I don't know one person IRL who has any issue with it.

That only proves you know a lot of mentally ill people.

[Anonymous]

The rise of the "religious freedoms" crew has to be one of the most crazy-making things to happen over the last few years. " I have to be a bigot because that's what my religion requires." WWJD? Twist religious beliefs to treat others like second class citizens?

Also-- loving the argument that religious girls can't change in the presence of a transgender woman due to modesty requirements, but want the right to change with 50 other girls, rather than in a private place. Either they have religious based modesty requirements that need to be accommodates with a seperate changing area, or they don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The rise of the "religious freedoms" crew has to be one of the most crazy-making things to happen over the last few years. " I have to be a bigot because that's what my religion requires." WWJD? Twist religious beliefs to treat others like second class citizens?

Also-- loving the argument that religious girls can't change in the presence of a transgender woman due to modesty requirements, but want the right to change with 50 other girls, rather than in a private place. Either they have religious based modesty requirements that need to be accommodates with a seperate changing area, or they don't.

A transgender woman is actually a male pretending to be a female.

Same sex changing areas have long been an accepted practice in the US.

Mixed sex changing areas have not been, and there's no compelling reason to start now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even the Human Rights Campaign, one of the biggest advocates for LGBTQ, recommended the following privacy enhancement for transgender accommodation. But the SB decided that the current FCPS school facilities are good as is for the new regulation.

Privacy in Restrooms

Users of multiple-occupant restrooms might appreciate the following privacy enhancements:

Install flaps on the outer edge of stall doors to cover the gap between the door and the stall wall.

Extend stall doors and walls from floor to ceiling.

Extend privacy dividers between urinals further out from the wall, and to a higher level.

Locker Rooms

Ensure private shower and changing areas in locker rooms and other facilities using stalls or curtains. If this is not possible, provide alternative accommodations that maintain respect and dignity, such as:

use of a private area within the public area, such as a shower stall with a door or an area separated by a curtain;

a separate changing schedule in the public area; or

use of a nearby private area, such as a restroom.

http://www.hrc.org/resources/workplace-gender-transition-guidelines

so you expect an already financially stretched-thin school district to make these changes in every school? would the Feds pay for it? I am assuming it would take resources (a teacher/admin) to retro-fit each school and come up with these schedules. How much would all this cost? serious question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I talked to my SB member. Her comment was the guideline is in line with federal guidelines. They shall ignore the petition.

They would have ignored the petition in any case. The SB never takes citizen input seriously.

They know this change is unpopular, which is why it will be passed in the dead of summer at an non-televised event.

When everyone goes back to school and starts to wake up, it will be a done deal.

I pity the poor school administrators who will have to work within this ill conceived policy.

Unpopular with whom? The crazies on DCUM? I'm an FCPS parent and I don't know one person IRL who has any issue with it.

That only proves you know a lot of mentally ill people.

Wow, what a comeback.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The rise of the "religious freedoms" crew has to be one of the most crazy-making things to happen over the last few years. " I have to be a bigot because that's what my religion requires." WWJD? Twist religious beliefs to treat others like second class citizens?

Also-- loving the argument that religious girls can't change in the presence of a transgender woman due to modesty requirements, but want the right to change with 50 other girls, rather than in a private place. Either they have religious based modesty requirements that need to be accommodates with a seperate changing area, or they don't.

This. Jfc.

[Anonymous]

Once more:

The issue is NOT the bathrooms. The issue is Title IX

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The rise of the "religious freedoms" crew has to be one of the most crazy-making things to happen over the last few years. " I have to be a bigot because that's what my religion requires." WWJD? Twist religious beliefs to treat others like second class citizens?

Also-- loving the argument that religious girls can't change in the presence of a transgender woman due to modesty requirements, but want the right to change with 50 other girls, rather than in a private place. Either they have religious based modesty requirements that need to be accommodates with a seperate changing area, or they don't.

A transgender woman is actually a male pretending to be a female.

Same sex changing areas have long been an accepted practice in the US.

Mixed sex changing areas have not been, and there's no compelling reason to start now.

Sorry, when your first line was a blatant lie, your entire post became null and void.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

so you expect an already financially stretched-thin school district to make these changes in every school? would the Feds pay for it? I am assuming it would take resources (a teacher/admin) to retro-fit each school and come up with these schedules. How much would all this cost? serious question.

Some of the options I mentioned at 21:22 involve little or no costs, listing a few here.
- They could take 1/2 the school bathrooms and make them strictly sex segregated, and the other half gender inclusive.
- They could create curtained dividers in locker rooms for those with sex segregation needs, and those without.
- They could time shift the locker room, so those with modesty needs have a private time, and another shift where the rest of the students can change.

In fact if you read the proposed regulations, they are requiring schools to have additional staffing (not one person, but a team of people) to support the trans kids, with a student-specific support plan for each trans kid. As tax payer, I think it is indeed a good question for the SB how an "already financially stretched-thin school district" afford to do all these to begin with.

Trans Regulation excerpt below...
When a school is made aware of a student’s gender non-conforming or transgender status, schools shall offer to convene a support team for the student. The support team shall be a multidisciplinary team that may consist of the parents or guardians, student, classroom teacher(s), administrator, school counselor, school psychologist, school social worker, and/or other staff members as appropriate for this collaboration. The student and the student’s parents or guardians may have input into the composition of the team and also may invite any representatives of their choosing to include physical and mental health professionals or advocates.

Support teams shall develop a student-specific support plan to provide the gender non-conforming or transgender student with safe and equitable access to all school and school division facilities and activities, addressing any particular issues raised by the student or the student’s parents or guardians. The support team shall consider the student’s needs, protection of student privacy, maximization of social integration, minimization of stigmatization, student age, and any perceived safety risks as they contemplate appropriate supports and arrangements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of the options I mentioned at 21:22 involve little or no costs, listing a few here.

. . . and add at least 5 minutes to passing period between classes so students have time to get to The Right restroom, now designated further away from classrooms . . .

. . . so we need to change the start times to high schools because of the loss of instructional time . . .

. . . so we need to change the bus runs . . .

. . . so we need to change the ES and MS start times

. . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of the options I mentioned at 21:22 involve little or no costs, listing a few here.

. . . and add at least 5 minutes to passing period between classes so students have time to get to The Right restroom, now designated further away from classrooms . . .

. . . so we need to change the start times to high schools because of the loss of instructional time . . .

. . . so we need to change the bus runs . . .

. . . so we need to change the ES and MS start times

. . .

I am not sure what bases you get your conclusions from. Seems to me that you are trying to blow things out of proportion just for the sake of saying no to the protection of the other kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of the options I mentioned at 21:22 involve little or no costs, listing a few here.

. . . and add at least 5 minutes to passing period between classes so students have time to get to The Right restroom, now designated further away from classrooms . . .

. . . so we need to change the start times to high schools because of the loss of instructional time . . .

. . . so we need to change the bus runs . . .

. . . so we need to change the ES and MS start times

. . .

I am not sure what bases you get your conclusions from. Seems to me that you are trying to blow things out of proportion just for the sake of saying no to the protection of the other kids.

Absolutely concur that some ADULTS are blowing things out of proportion.

[Anonymous]

Lets not forget the core of the issue. The petition doesn't call out any of the regulations designed to help the transgender student.

At issue, is the many kids who for one reason or another, have modesty requirements in front of the opposite sex. Even Islam has separate rules for between the same, and opposite sex. Acceptable cultural practices, even in the USA, have long been to be modest in front of the opposite sex.

Like it or not, there are a lot of students and families that have this strict requirement. They can't compromise that. The school board needs to respect that, and form policies around the reality that exists in the school system.

Sure there are transgender students too. If they have very huge issues changing with the same anatomical sex, perhaps they should be accommodated somehow, but not at the expense of the rest of the students, those with religious mandates tell them they can't compromise, they shouldn't be compelled by the system to compromise what they can't do. The schools can't rewrite religious practices, and it's many different religions that dictates modesty, it's a fairly common ground among most religions.

I could posture a guess, which I would think of the 168,000 students, 50,000-100,000 or more want to be sex segregated. Statistically there is maybe 50-100 transgender students in the school system, of which some would prefer to be with the same anatomical sex, some would want private space, leaving only a few that are asking to be with the opposite sex. There has to be a better solution than letting these few step on the rights of many.

Especially since what they are asking for has not been the acceptable practice. Kids that age aren't allowed into a movie to see full frontal nudity of the opposite sex, why should they be subjected to it in the school in person.

If anyone hasn't signed the petition, go do it. The whole way this is being done, is wrong.

https://www.change.org/p/school-board-for-fairfax-county-public-schools-respect-all-student-rights-in-the-fcps-gender-identity-non-discrimination-policy

[Anonymous]

Ok, PP, so religion trumps identity, right? In a secular school, the religion mandate is a be all end all while transgender kids just have desires?

Cuckoo! Cuckoo! This is not a private religious school system. Too bad, so sad.

I suggest no one sign that bigoted petition. The comments are insane, including some from prominent dentists, etc in the area.

[Anonymous]

I want to know why the person who started it is too embarassed to put their name on it.