Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who has worked in psychiatric hospitals for many years with many forensic cases, I would bet this guy is mentally ill. He looks around the age that most seriously mentally ill people have their first psychotic break. He probably had some crazy belief that the pastor or someone in the church or maybe black people were putting voices in his head. I doubt it was a functioning normal person who was just committing a hate crime.

And the excuses and rationalizing begins. White mass killer equals mental illness. Hispanic mass killer equals cartel gang member. Black mass killer equals thug. Asian mass killer equals ?, I don't know, what were the excuses for the Virginia Tech shooter. SMH

this is BS, you look at the facts. a person killing scores of strangers is likely mentally ill and not a criminal. a criminal kills for a reason, does not go into an elementary school to kill first graders, goes into a bank to rob it and may kill if is convenient. plenty of white organized crime (mafia and so on) made multiple killings and nobody thought they were crazy. a latino going to a movie theather and shooting spectators is liekly mental ilness, a latino killling members of a rival gang over a drug deal is not mental ilness, like no mental ilness is likely involved when gangs of white bikers face each others with guns. Timothy McVeigh killed scores of strangers and was white, he was executed and certainly he was considered a criminal and terrorist, not crazy. the Virignia Tech shooter was Asia and the circumstances of the shooting made clear is was insane. I am not aware of a mass shooting of random strangers made by a single black male. even in the case of the Savopoulos killings, people said that while the guy is a criminal (and his record proves it), there might be some level of mental ilness involved because simply you do not kill and torture in such a cruel and unnecessary manner unless you are not totaly sane, even if he was aware of what he was dling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who has worked in psychiatric hospitals for many years with many forensic cases, I would bet this guy is mentally ill. He looks around the age that most seriously mentally ill people have their first psychotic break. He probably had some crazy belief that the pastor or someone in the church or maybe black people were putting voices in his head. I doubt it was a functioning normal person who was just committing a hate crime.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this guy was found to be out of his gourd - but with regard to the point I made earlier white guy who kills someone (sociopathic anomaly)...non-white person who kills someone (typical black thug or common Hispanic gang-banger) is the whole perception issue. Crazy comes in every race, religion, gender, sexuality, and tax bracket but there is a definite double standard when it comes to how crazy white is perceived and how crazy non-white is perceived. Crazy white people get handled with kid gloves and every extra precaution is taken to make sure authorities know that they are mentally ill and that no harm comes to them. More times than not crazy white people kill themselves. Crazy non-white people on the other hand...

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As someone who has worked in psychiatric hospitals for many years with many forensic cases, I would bet this guy is mentally ill. He looks around the age that most seriously mentally ill people have their first psychotic break. He probably had some crazy belief that the pastor or someone in the church or maybe black people were putting voices in his head. I doubt it was a functioning normal person who was just committing a hate crime.

And the excuses and rationalizing begins. White mass killer equals mental illness. Hispanic mass killer equals cartel gang member. Black mass killer equals thug. Asian mass killer equals ?, I don't know, what were the excuses for the Virginia Tech shooter. SMH

That is not an excuse -- dude sounds crazy, VA tech dude was crazy. Just because institutionalized racism exists and paints alleged black criminals as typical of all black people does not make any of these other nuts any less crazy. The two things are not mutually exclusive. I am a black woman who very clearly sees racism and crazy ALL AT THE SAME DAMN TIME.

The suspects comments to a witness seem to clearly indicate this was a racist attack.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As someone who has worked in psychiatric hospitals for many years with many forensic cases, I would bet this guy is mentally ill. He looks around the age that most seriously mentally ill people have their first psychotic break. He probably had some crazy belief that the pastor or someone in the church or maybe black people were putting voices in his head. I doubt it was a functioning normal person who was just committing a hate crime.

And the excuses and rationalizing begins. White mass killer equals mental illness. Hispanic mass killer equals cartel gang member. Black mass killer equals thug. Asian mass killer equals ?, I don't know, what were the excuses for the Virginia Tech shooter. SMH

Sorry if I am not making it all about race for you. As I said, the person is likely mentally ill and his delusions centered around either someone in the church or black people. His comments about race, that he told one of the victims, sound very paranoid. And for the record, mental illness effects all races.

See -- you got it all wrong. Yes, he is crazy. Yes he was spewing racist garbage which is likely a manifestation of his craziness. Yes, the media and very much society paints alleged black criminals very differently than white ones. This guy and other mentally ill white folk get to be the crazy that they are, black folks are usually just "thugs".
This society has many ills, one does not cancel out the other. One just makes the other worse. Get a clue!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like a fake nose in addition to a wig. I hope people don't fall for any insanity bullshit - this was obviously premeditated and the killer wants to get away with it.

Crazy people can be intelligent and excellent planners. Mental illness is just not the irrational, mumbling homeless people you see wondering the D.C. streets.
Mental illness is an insidious, awful thing that is manifested in myriad ways.

Crazy comes in degrees. I am sure most people have some degree of crazy. Stop making excuses for this criminal. He wasn't too crazy to not know what he was doing was wrong. He disguised himself and possibly wore body armor to protect himself.

Not PP, but how is saying he's crazy an excuse? There is no excuse. But to perpetrate something like this, you must have issues. You just have to. Doesn't mean you are incapable of planning and executing the plan.

Thanks - I am the one to whom pp was responding. I don't understand when people say calling someone crazy is excusing their actions. That is dumb as hell. Crazy or sane, if you are dangerous you need to be locked up somewhere. How is that excusing anything? This right here is how and why we have broken mental health system in this country, we think identifying and understanding mental illness is excusing it. Stupid.

If you want people to accept mental illness as an excuse, then you have to accept it for all groups of people. It is always an excuse for whites, but other racial groups are automatically assumed criminal without any regards to their mental state. Now, that's dumb as hell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.wistv.com/story/29351540/charleston-shooting-suspect-from-columbia-area

surely someone knows where this murderous terrorist is!

finally confirmed and ID'd.

Are they sure it is the right person? It would be terrible to make a mistake and target an innocent look-alike.

If he sat in the church for an hour, he may have left DNA and or fingerprints. They had a picture of the car's license plate, and there was an insignia on the suspect's shirt. All climes. I have no idea how they identified him, but they are releasing his information as their prime suspect. I guess it wasn't a wig after all. Weird.

The surveillance cam caught his car - which probably included a shot of his plates - which let them narrow the # of white male young suspects with that sort of hair.

The eye witnesses and DNA comes later.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful. Schools and church should always be safe places. I hope they get him alive.

Everywhere should be safe -EVERY.FREAKING.WHERE.
And I do not think the pp bringing up the NRA is wrong. There needs to be a change in the conversation, a shift in the paradigm when it comes to gun violence in this country. ENOUGH IS FREAKING ENOUGH! Dollars to donuts this nut probably was licensed to have a gun. WE NEED TO MAKE IT NEAR TO IMPOSSIBLE TO GET GUNS!
BACKGROUND CHECKS
TRAINING
LIMITS ON TYPES OF GUNS AVAVAILABLE TO LICENSED OWNERS

signed,

a responsible gun owner

That worked really well in DC. Get a grip.

It can't work in DC because all you have to do is cross the river and you can buy any kind of weapon you want in Virgina. And yes, I know this for a fact. My husband is a gun nut. I mean, my husband loves his assortment of guns. He also knows someone who bought a damn bazooka gun at one of those gun fairs. No background checks required. Now what does one do with a bazooka gun

Funny how almost none of this gun crime happens in Virginia, though. But we won't talk about that...carry on.

Furthermore, if just one of the individuals in that church was carrying a concealed weapon, there might not have been 9 fatalities.

WWJD? Do you think he would be pleased and tell people to come strapped into his house to worship and praise

Well many already have armed guards. It would be nice if they could report all the issues that were stopped by off duty armed police who were just going to church on their day off. I know of one personally. But that news is not as interesting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As someone who has worked in psychiatric hospitals for many years with many forensic cases, I would bet this guy is mentally ill. He looks around the age that most seriously mentally ill people have their first psychotic break. He probably had some crazy belief that the pastor or someone in the church or maybe black people were putting voices in his head. I doubt it was a functioning normal person who was just committing a hate crime.

And the excuses and rationalizing begins. White mass killer equals mental illness. Hispanic mass killer equals cartel gang member. Black mass killer equals thug. Asian mass killer equals ?, I don't know, what were the excuses for the Virginia Tech shooter. SMH

Sorry if I am not making it all about race for you. As I said, the person is likely mentally ill and his delusions centered around either someone in the church or black people. His comments about race, that he told one of the victims, sound very paranoid. And for the record, mental illness effects all races.

See -- you got it all wrong. Yes, he is crazy. Yes he was spewing racist garbage which is likely a manifestation of his craziness. Yes, the media and very much society paints alleged black criminals very differently than white ones. This guy and other mentally ill white folk get to be the crazy that they are, black folks are usually just "thugs".
This society has many ills, one does not cancel out the other. One just makes the other worse. Get a clue!

Not those PPs. Right. Several people on this thread and others have pointed out that mass killings are portrayed in the media as mentally ill white guys while other races are portrayed as thugs and criminals. I've got that clue. Where I'm a bit behind, though, is that mass shooters all seem to actually be mentally ill white guys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is awful. Schools and church should always be safe places. I hope they get him alive.

Everywhere should be safe -EVERY.FREAKING.WHERE.
And I do not think the pp bringing up the NRA is wrong. There needs to be a change in the conversation, a shift in the paradigm when it comes to gun violence in this country. ENOUGH IS FREAKING ENOUGH! Dollars to donuts this nut probably was licensed to have a gun. WE NEED TO MAKE IT NEAR TO IMPOSSIBLE TO GET GUNS!
BACKGROUND CHECKS
TRAINING
LIMITS ON TYPES OF GUNS AVAVAILABLE TO LICENSED OWNERS

signed,

a responsible gun owner

That worked really well in DC. Get a grip.

It can't work in DC because all you have to do is cross the river and you can buy any kind of weapon you want in Virgina. And yes, I know this for a fact. My husband is a gun nut. I mean, my husband loves his assortment of guns. He also knows someone who bought a damn bazooka gun at one of those gun fairs. No background checks required. Now what does one do with a bazooka gun

Funny how almost none of this gun crime happens in Virginia, though. But we won't talk about that...carry on.

Really? How quickly we forget. http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/massacre-at-virginia-tech-leaves-32-dead

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As someone who has worked in psychiatric hospitals for many years with many forensic cases, I would bet this guy is mentally ill. He looks around the age that most seriously mentally ill people have their first psychotic break. He probably had some crazy belief that the pastor or someone in the church or maybe black people were putting voices in his head. I doubt it was a functioning normal person who was just committing a hate crime.

And the excuses and rationalizing begins. White mass killer equals mental illness. Hispanic mass killer equals cartel gang member. Black mass killer equals thug. Asian mass killer equals ?, I don't know, what were the excuses for the Virginia Tech shooter. SMH

Sorry if I am not making it all about race for you. As I said, the person is likely mentally ill and his delusions centered around either someone in the church or black people. His comments about race, that he told one of the victims, sound very paranoid. And for the record, mental illness effects all races.

See -- you got it all wrong. Yes, he is crazy. Yes he was spewing racist garbage which is likely a manifestation of his craziness. Yes, the media and very much society paints alleged black criminals very differently than white ones. This guy and other mentally ill white folk get to be the crazy that they are, black folks are usually just "thugs".
This society has many ills, one does not cancel out the other. One just makes the other worse. Get a clue!

Not those PPs. Right. Several people on this thread and others have pointed out that mass killings are portrayed in the media as mentally ill white guys while other races are portrayed as thugs and criminals. I've got that clue. Where I'm a bit behind, though, is that mass shooters all seem to actually be mentally ill white guys.

The along Island Railway mass killer was not white, nor were the Beltway serial killers, Mohammed and Malvo.

[Anonymous]

I propose we honor the second amendment by leaving guns alone. But tax ammunition at $1,000 per round.

[Anonymous]

^^^ Long Island

[Anonymous]

the mental excuse is thrown out there by those who dont want to even consider or discuss that there is a race component in the situation.

if its about race or race is involved, people have to talk about it and its easier to discuss the broad problem of mental issue as opposed to race. admitting a racial element to it means you admit we still have racial issues in the country and to some, people think that the race issue is primarily a figment of folks imagination as opposed to real.

[jsteele]

Here is his Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009674437955

In the picture, his jacket has patches showing the Apartheid-era South African flag and the Rhodesian flag. This guy seems to have all kinds of race issues.

[Anonymous]

"That's the flag of apartheid-era South Africa on Dylann Roof's jacket "

"Second flag on Dylann Roof's jacket appears to be that of white-rule Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe "