Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?

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I am sorry but I haven't read through your post. Again, I assume heaven exists, regardless of science. Its not up for debate here. You seem desperate to have a conversation butI'm just not interested in trying to validate my beliefs.

then why are you trying to show how your beliefs fit with science?

Because its a glorious moment for believers when science can validate what we always knew to be true. It reaffirms our faith. But it was not needed to instill it.

And, yet, you admitted to not reading FruminousBandersnatch's post explaining why science would make it difficult for your hypothesis about Heaven being out in the dark matter to be correct. So your "glorious moment" is just you looking at a scientific result that you don't actually understand and saying, "Wow. This might validate my faith!" And when people who actually understand the science (and seem to have a better grasp of theology) weigh in, you get pissy and say they're disrupting the conversation.

Sorry I haven't read your post either.

Excellent way to keep your faith strong!

[Anonymous]

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No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

I'm interested in posting. But I don't, because trying to talk about faith on DCUM is like trying to explain econometrics to someone who has zero interest and just wants to mock you. There are other, better venues for talking about faith, thanks.

But you just did! Go ahead, say whatever you wanted to say - a forum is about the exchange of ideas, not just about agreeing with people or affirming their beliefs. If what you mean by "better venues" is "places where people agree with you" - you're right -- go to church for that.

The point, which you missed, is that I and others are looking to *engage people in conversation.* Nobody here wants or expects perfect agreement--that's just you putting words in our mouths (again). The point, obviously, is that it's just plain boring to spend your time batting away insults from you atheists.

[Anonymous]

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I am sorry but I haven't read through your post. Again, I assume heaven exists, regardless of science. Its not up for debate here. You seem desperate to have a conversation butI'm just not interested in trying to validate my beliefs.

then why are you trying to show how your beliefs fit with science?

Because its a glorious moment for believers when science can validate what we always knew to be true. It reaffirms our faith. But it was not needed to instill it.

If so, then believers have had precious few glorious moments - no validation is possible for any of the miracles (virgin birth, resurrection, etc) because things that are outside of nature can't be affirmed via the scientific method.

Besides, who except for OP has mentioned this "glorious moment?" It's nowhere in the bible -- the bible never even heard of science.

Well, there was this -

right, Newsweek, 1998. http://new.schoolnotes.com/files/bachynsky/Science%20Finds%20God.pdf I bet it sold a lot of copies back then. Now it's a trip down memory lane:

"Rather than undercutting faith and a sense of the spiritual, scientific discoveries are offering support for them, at least in the minds of people of faith. Big-bang cosmology, for instance, once read as leaving no room for a Creator, now implies to some scientists that there is a design and purpose behind the universe. Evolution, say some scientist-theologians, provides clues to the very nature of God. And chaos theory, which describes such mundane processes as the patterns of weather and the dripping of faucets, is being interpreted as opening a door for God to act in the world.

and this:
"In one sense, science and religion will never be truly reconciled. Perhaps they shouldn't be. The default setting of science is eternal doubt; the core of religion is faith."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^ couldn't care less. At least I should be grammatically correct. Do what I do, take yourself off to the Book or schools forums, don't waste time here.

Except you're here! apparently wasting time, unless you just stopped by to warn others not to waste their time here.

Good idea, though, if you don't want to hear anything that challenges your beliefs -- don't come to an open forum -- go straight to church.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ couldn't care less. At least I should be grammatically correct. Do what I do, take yourself off to the Book or schools forums, don't waste time here.

Except you're here! apparently wasting time, unless you just stopped by to warn others not to waste their time here.

Good idea, though, if you don't want to hear anything that challenges your beliefs -- don't come to an open forum -- go straight to church.

Yawn. As if dumb insults from you is going to challenge anything besides our ability to stay awake.

[Anonymous]

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No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

I'm interested in posting. But I don't, because trying to talk about faith on DCUM is like trying to explain econometrics to someone who has zero interest and just wants to mock you. There are other, better venues for talking about faith, thanks.

But you just did! Go ahead, say whatever you wanted to say - a forum is about the exchange of ideas, not just about agreeing with people or affirming their beliefs. If what you mean by "better venues" is "places where people agree with you" - you're right -- go to church for that.

The point, which you missed, is that I and others are looking to *engage people in conversation.* Nobody here wants or expects perfect agreement--that's just you putting words in our mouths (again). The point, obviously, is that it's just plain boring to spend your time batting away insults from you atheists.

Who said anything about perfect agreement? (except you). Please consider that what seems like batting away insults could be being presented with unpleasant, but plausible ideas, which you see as "insults" and deal with by trying to get the insulters to go away. Truly, I don't know of any other forum where people who disagree are asked to leave or shut up.

Also, for what it's worth, I doubt that it's boring to deal with atheists -- more likely that it's threatening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ couldn't care less. At least I should be grammatically correct. Do what I do, take yourself off to the Book or schools forums, don't waste time here.

Except you're here! apparently wasting time, unless you just stopped by to warn others not to waste their time here.

Good idea, though, if you don't want to hear anything that challenges your beliefs -- don't come to an open forum -- go straight to church.

Yawn. As if dumb insults from you is going to challenge anything besides our ability to stay awake.

Please point out the insult. Seriously, I'd like to know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ couldn't care less. At least I should be grammatically correct. Do what I do, take yourself off to the Book or schools forums, don't waste time here.

Except you're here! apparently wasting time, unless you just stopped by to warn others not to waste their time here.

Good idea, though, if you don't want to hear anything that challenges your beliefs -- don't come to an open forum -- go straight to church.

Yawn. As if dumb insults from you is going to challenge anything besides our ability to stay awake.

Please point out the insult. Seriously, I'd like to know.

You don't get it. You're boring. You accuse us of being afraid of challenges (the aforesaid insult, duh). Yet you've said nothing to challenge us besides, um, accusing us of being afraid of challenges.

[Anonymous]

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No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

I'm interested in posting. But I don't, because trying to talk about faith on DCUM is like trying to explain econometrics to someone who has zero interest and just wants to mock you. There are other, better venues for talking about faith, thanks.

But you just did! Go ahead, say whatever you wanted to say - a forum is about the exchange of ideas, not just about agreeing with people or affirming their beliefs. If what you mean by "better venues" is "places where people agree with you" - you're right -- go to church for that.

The point, which you missed, is that I and others are looking to *engage people in conversation.* Nobody here wants or expects perfect agreement--that's just you putting words in our mouths (again). The point, obviously, is that it's just plain boring to spend your time batting away insults from you atheists.

Who said anything about perfect agreement? (except you). Please consider that what seems like batting away insults could be being presented with unpleasant, but plausible ideas, which you see as "insults" and deal with by trying to get the insulters to go away. Truly, I don't know of any other forum where people who disagree are asked to leave or shut up.

Also, for what it's worth, I doubt that it's boring to deal with atheists -- more likely that it's threatening.

No, you're boring. You haven't offered an original idea, which might or might not be threatening, but we'll never know because you apparently don't have any original ideas.

All you're capable of doing is derailing the conversation.

Good night!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

I'm interested in posting. But I don't, because trying to talk about faith on DCUM is like trying to explain econometrics to someone who has zero interest and just wants to mock you. There are other, better venues for talking about faith, thanks.

But you just did! Go ahead, say whatever you wanted to say - a forum is about the exchange of ideas, not just about agreeing with people or affirming their beliefs. If what you mean by "better venues" is "places where people agree with you" - you're right -- go to church for that.

The point, which you missed, is that I and others are looking to *engage people in conversation.* Nobody here wants or expects perfect agreement--that's just you putting words in our mouths (again). The point, obviously, is that it's just plain boring to spend your time batting away insults from you atheists.

Who said anything about perfect agreement? (except you). Please consider that what seems like batting away insults could be being presented with unpleasant, but plausible ideas, which you see as "insults" and deal with by trying to get the insulters to go away. Truly, I don't know of any other forum where people who disagree are asked to leave or shut up.

Also, for what it's worth, I doubt that it's boring to deal with atheists -- more likely that it's threatening.

No, you're boring. You haven't offered an original idea, which might or might not be threatening, but we'll never know because you apparently don't have any original ideas.

All you're capable of doing is derailing the conversation.

Good night!

You don't sound bored -- you sound angry and frustrated. Since when is it expected to have original ideas when discussing religion? Most ideas about religions that people believe in today are thousands of years old.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ couldn't care less. At least I should be grammatically correct. Do what I do, take yourself off to the Book or schools forums, don't waste time here.

Except you're here! apparently wasting time, unless you just stopped by to warn others not to waste their time here.

Good idea, though, if you don't want to hear anything that challenges your beliefs -- don't come to an open forum -- go straight to church.

Yawn. As if dumb insults from you is going to challenge anything besides our ability to stay awake.

Please point out the insult. Seriously, I'd like to know.

You don't get it. You're boring. You accuse us of being afraid of challenges (the aforesaid insult, duh). Yet you've said nothing to challenge us besides, um, accusing us of being afraid of challenges.

Yes, PP, and therein lies the atheists' intent all along in these religious threads, to thwart discussion if it stems from a place of belief. I have been bored out of my mind reading repetitive claims that science does not prove God's existence or heaven's existence. Thus, I stopped reading their posts. These people need to find their own forum. True believers will never change their position because of an atheists perspective. Even if science DISproves God's existence, true believers would still believe. They're on a dead end road.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[
I am sorry but I haven't read through your post. Again, I assume heaven exists, regardless of science. Its not up for debate here. You seem desperate to have a conversation butI'm just not interested in trying to validate my beliefs.

then why are you trying to show how your beliefs fit with science?

Because its a glorious moment for believers when science can validate what we always knew to be true. It reaffirms our faith. But it was not needed to instill it.

And, yet, you admitted to not reading FruminousBandersnatch's post explaining why science would make it difficult for your hypothesis about Heaven being out in the dark matter to be correct. So your "glorious moment" is just you looking at a scientific result that you don't actually understand and saying, "Wow. This might validate my faith!" And when people who actually understand the science (and seem to have a better grasp of theology) weigh in, you get pissy and say they're disrupting the conversation.

Sorry I haven't read your post either.

You just don't get it do you? I read this post of yours because it's one line, not enough to bore me to tears. I read all the other posts from pages 1 through 8. Your thoughts and ideas and refutations were boring, based on old information, and nothing novel or insightful. So it's a waste of my time. I could go back and read pages 8 through 10 but it won't change my belief in God. You will never succeed in your endeavor to weaken people's faith. The majority of people who will write on religious forums are believers. Many are probably devout also. If your hope is to weaken people's faith in their religion, honey, you came to the wrong place.

Excellent way to keep your faith strong!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[
I am sorry but I haven't read through your post. Again, I assume heaven exists, regardless of science. Its not up for debate here. You seem desperate to have a conversation butI'm just not interested in trying to validate my beliefs.

then why are you trying to show how your beliefs fit with science?

Because its a glorious moment for believers when science can validate what we always knew to be true. It reaffirms our faith. But it was not needed to instill it.

And, yet, you admitted to not reading FruminousBandersnatch's post explaining why science would make it difficult for your hypothesis about Heaven being out in the dark matter to be correct. So your "glorious moment" is just you looking at a scientific result that you don't actually understand and saying, "Wow. This might validate my faith!" And when people who actually understand the science (and seem to have a better grasp of theology) weigh in, you get pissy and say they're disrupting the conversation.

Sorry I haven't read your post either.

Excellent way to keep your faith strong!

You just don't get it do you? I read this post of yours because it's one line, not enough to bore me to tears. I read all the other posts from pages 1 through 8. Your thoughts and ideas and refutations were boring, based on old information, and nothing novel or insightful. So it's a waste of my time. I could go back and read pages 8 through 10 but it won't change my belief in God. You will never succeed in your endeavor to weaken people's faith. The majority of people who will write on religious forums are believers. Many are probably devout also. If your hope is to weaken people's faith in their religion, honey, you came to the wrong place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

I'm interested in posting. But I don't, because trying to talk about faith on DCUM is like trying to explain econometrics to someone who has zero interest and just wants to mock you. There are other, better venues for talking about faith, thanks.

But you just did! Go ahead, say whatever you wanted to say - a forum is about the exchange of ideas, not just about agreeing with people or affirming their beliefs. If what you mean by "better venues" is "places where people agree with you" - you're right -- go to church for that.

No, dear. A thread asking people to opine about whether heaven could be in dark matter does not expect posters to debate whether there is a heaven at all. It assumes there is. You can't possibly be that dense to not get that. You are an atheist that is pissed off that religious people hold belief in God and heaven and you came to do battle. Find your own group, your own forum, your own book club, your own buddy circle. We don't want to engage with you. And it's not because we're afraid you challenge our deeply held beliefs, it's because you and believers will never see eye to eye. Believers see and feel something you can not and may never. We are content with this. Apparently you are not. Sorry, but it's time for you to move on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

I'm interested in posting. But I don't, because trying to talk about faith on DCUM is like trying to explain econometrics to someone who has zero interest and just wants to mock you. There are other, better venues for talking about faith, thanks.

But you just did! Go ahead, say whatever you wanted to say - a forum is about the exchange of ideas, not just about agreeing with people or affirming their beliefs. If what you mean by "better venues" is "places where people agree with you" - you're right -- go to church for that.

No, dear. A thread asking people to opine about whether heaven could be in dark matter does not expect posters to debate whether there is a heaven at all. It assumes there is. You can't possibly be that dense to not get that. You are an atheist that is pissed off that religious people hold belief in God and heaven and you came to do battle. Find your own group, your own forum, your own book club, your own buddy circle. We don't want to engage with you. And it's not because we're afraid you challenge our deeply held beliefs, it's because you and believers will never see eye to eye. Believers see and feel something you can not and may never. We are content with this. Apparently you are not. Sorry, but it's time for you to move on.

Many atheists were once believers so have much more knowledge of religious people than religious people have of atheists. formerly believing people know what it's like to see and feel something that can't be seen by the naked eye and eventually they figure out why they can't see it -- it's not there.

Does a discussion about leaving one's spouse only get responses from people who think leaving would be a good idea. Does a person asking about choosing a certain school get upset if some people suggest it's not a very good school? Seems like it's only religious people who think it's OK to tell people that don't agree with them to "move on"