Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?

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Anonymous wrote:Those "some" human are over 51% of the world's population and 9/10 of Americans that believe in an afterlife. And all acknowledge that there is a Creator far superior to them who they will have to answer to upon death for their actions in life. Doesn't sound egotistical at all to me. Such reverence towards God is actually humility, something atheists seem unable or unwilling to have. Now that is egotistical.

What' egotistical is thinking that if you worship an invisible God adequately, you will have eternal life.

Nah. Its called humility and submission. Thinking you know enough to deny the existence of things you can not explain is egotistical.

thinking that you should believe things for which there is no evidence is stupidity.

There are lots of things you can't explain -- fairies, werewolves, the loch ness monster. Most people don't believe in them -- but then those things don't promise eternal life, or threaten you with severe punishment if you don't believe in them, so it's easier to not believe in them

Btw, this is the kind of mockery and insults that make believers angry. If you can't argue on the merits and it leads you to insults and mockery, chances are you ran out of relevant things to add to this discourse and its time for you to move on.

Sometimes when people get angry they start thinking about things more -- that could be good. Perhaps you invite people to leave when you no longer have a good argument?

Umm nobody is "inviting" anyone to leave. What a strange way to put it. I'm suggesting you learn to stop the insults.

So - suggesting that "someone move on" is not an invitation to leave? As for arguing on the "merits" -- if that means discussing an intelligent person's decision to believe something for which there is no evidence, as if it's a reasonable position, it's hard to see the merits.

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Anonymous wrote:Those "some" human are over 51% of the world's population and 9/10 of Americans that believe in an afterlife. And all acknowledge that there is a Creator far superior to them who they will have to answer to upon death for their actions in life. Doesn't sound egotistical at all to me. Such reverence towards God is actually humility, something atheists seem unable or unwilling to have. Now that is egotistical.

What' egotistical is thinking that if you worship an invisible God adequately, you will have eternal life.

Nah. Its called humility and submission. Thinking you know enough to deny the existence of things you can not explain is egotistical.

thinking that you should believe things for which there is no evidence is stupidity.

There are lots of things you can't explain -- fairies, werewolves, the loch ness monster. Most people don't believe in them -- but then those things don't promise eternal life, or threaten you with severe punishment if you don't believe in them, so it's easier to not believe in them

People with faith are hardly stupid. They know something in their heart with such absolute certainty that scientific evidence is not required. Some people call it intuition. Others say this is how God guides people. There are plenty of well educated people who are surgeons, professors, lawyers who are devout in their belief. One would hardly call them stupid. You, as an atheist, need concrete proof because you don't feel anything in your heart. I think even if you saw some evidence, you would deny it initially. There is some evidence but if your mind is set against it, you will not be open to belief.

I think within the next 100 yrs, science will progress rapidly, and our great grandchildren will have more concrete proof of God and an afterlife. They may not understand God completely still, but they may know He exists.

No, they're just stupid about their faith. Smart people can have blind spots, especially when they're been indoctrinated as children and the society supports their beliefs, or at least doesn't openly oppose them. Luckily, that is changing. Fewer children are being raised with religion and the society doesn't support it as much.

Belief in God is not likely to change anytime soon regardless of religious affinity. One does not need a religion to believe in God. What I think is stupid is to call billions of people stupid simply because you can not understand how God can exist. The evidence is there in terms of old and new testament prophesies, NDE's, in the fact that even former atheists validated an afterlife from their NDEs. If you need to be hit over the head with evidence, you'll just have to wait until you pass away and experience it for yourself. Too bad we won't be able to see the look on your face when you finally realize Gods word was true.

Maybe you will. Maybe part of your heavenly reward will be witnessing atheists dismay upon learning they've been consigned to hell.

Wow - just imagine all those believers lined up, cheering as God points his finger at the terrified atheists, who are begging for mercy as they finally accept God's existence. But it's too late -- they had their chance. Now Satan awaits them! After watching the atheists as they are flung into hell, God and his loyal subjects return to their clouds, waiting for the next batch of atheists futilely banging at the pearly gates

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Anonymous wrote:Those "some" human are over 51% of the world's population and 9/10 of Americans that believe in an afterlife. And all acknowledge that there is a Creator far superior to them who they will have to answer to upon death for their actions in life. Doesn't sound egotistical at all to me. Such reverence towards God is actually humility, something atheists seem unable or unwilling to have. Now that is egotistical.

What' egotistical is thinking that if you worship an invisible God adequately, you will have eternal life.

Nah. Its called humility and submission. Thinking you know enough to deny the existence of things you can not explain is egotistical.

thinking that you should believe things for which there is no evidence is stupidity.

There are lots of things you can't explain -- fairies, werewolves, the loch ness monster. Most people don't believe in them -- but then those things don't promise eternal life, or threaten you with severe punishment if you don't believe in them, so it's easier to not believe in them

People with faith are hardly stupid. They know something in their heart with such absolute certainty that scientific evidence is not required. Some people call it intuition. Others say this is how God guides people. There are plenty of well educated people who are surgeons, professors, lawyers who are devout in their belief. One would hardly call them stupid. You, as an atheist, need concrete proof because you don't feel anything in your heart. I think even if you saw some evidence, you would deny it initially. There is some evidence but if your mind is set against it, you will not be open to belief.

I think within the next 100 yrs, science will progress rapidly, and our great grandchildren will have more concrete proof of God and an afterlife. They may not understand God completely still, but they may know He exists.

No, they're just stupid about their faith. Smart people can have blind spots, especially when they're been indoctrinated as children and the society supports their beliefs, or at least doesn't openly oppose them. Luckily, that is changing. Fewer children are being raised with religion and the society doesn't support it as much.

Belief in God is not likely to change anytime soon regardless of religious affinity. One does not need a religion to believe in God. What I think is stupid is to call billions of people stupid simply because you can not understand how God can exist. The evidence is there in terms of old and new testament prophesies, NDE's, in the fact that even former atheists validated an afterlife from their NDEs. If you need to be hit over the head with evidence, you'll just have to wait until you pass away and experience it for yourself. Too bad we won't be able to see the look on your face when you finally realize Gods word was true.

Maybe you will. Maybe part of your heavenly reward will be witnessing atheists dismay upon learning they've been consigned to hell.

It would not be a "reward" but historically, we know people pay attention when lessons are taught. I'll pay for you in the hopes you lose your arrogance.

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Anonymous wrote:Those "some" human are over 51% of the world's population and 9/10 of Americans that believe in an afterlife. And all acknowledge that there is a Creator far superior to them who they will have to answer to upon death for their actions in life. Doesn't sound egotistical at all to me. Such reverence towards God is actually humility, something atheists seem unable or unwilling to have. Now that is egotistical.

What' egotistical is thinking that if you worship an invisible God adequately, you will have eternal life.

Nah. Its called humility and submission. Thinking you know enough to deny the existence of things you can not explain is egotistical.

thinking that you should believe things for which there is no evidence is stupidity.

There are lots of things you can't explain -- fairies, werewolves, the loch ness monster. Most people don't believe in them -- but then those things don't promise eternal life, or threaten you with severe punishment if you don't believe in them, so it's easier to not believe in them

Btw, this is the kind of mockery and insults that make believers angry. If you can't argue on the merits and it leads you to insults and mockery, chances are you ran out of relevant things to add to this discourse and its time for you to move on.

Sometimes when people get angry they start thinking about things more -- that could be good. Perhaps you invite people to leave when you no longer have a good argument?

Umm nobody is "inviting" anyone to leave. What a strange way to put it. I'm suggesting you learn to stop the insults.

So - suggesting that "someone move on" is not an invitation to leave? As for arguing on the "merits" -- if that means discussing an intelligent person's decision to believe something for which there is no evidence, as if it's a reasonable position, it's hard to see the merits.

When was the last time you were called "stupid" or told your belief was based on "stupidity" and you considered the comment was relevant, useful, or based on merit? If you can not refrain from insulting, consider the possibility that you have run out of anything relevant to add. Are you saying you are unable to refrain from insults at this point?

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Anonymous wrote:Those "some" human are over 51% of the world's population and 9/10 of Americans that believe in an afterlife. And all acknowledge that there is a Creator far superior to them who they will have to answer to upon death for their actions in life. Doesn't sound egotistical at all to me. Such reverence towards God is actually humility, something atheists seem unable or unwilling to have. Now that is egotistical.

What' egotistical is thinking that if you worship an invisible God adequately, you will have eternal life.

Nah. Its called humility and submission. Thinking you know enough to deny the existence of things you can not explain is egotistical.

thinking that you should believe things for which there is no evidence is stupidity.

There are lots of things you can't explain -- fairies, werewolves, the loch ness monster. Most people don't believe in them -- but then those things don't promise eternal life, or threaten you with severe punishment if you don't believe in them, so it's easier to not believe in them

People with faith are hardly stupid. They know something in their heart with such absolute certainty that scientific evidence is not required. Some people call it intuition. Others say this is how God guides people. There are plenty of well educated people who are surgeons, professors, lawyers who are devout in their belief. One would hardly call them stupid. You, as an atheist, need concrete proof because you don't feel anything in your heart. I think even if you saw some evidence, you would deny it initially. There is some evidence but if your mind is set against it, you will not be open to belief.

I think within the next 100 yrs, science will progress rapidly, and our great grandchildren will have more concrete proof of God and an afterlife. They may not understand God completely still, but they may know He exists.

No, they're just stupid about their faith. Smart people can have blind spots, especially when they're been indoctrinated as children and the society supports their beliefs, or at least doesn't openly oppose them. Luckily, that is changing. Fewer children are being raised with religion and the society doesn't support it as much.

Belief in God is not likely to change anytime soon regardless of religious affinity. One does not need a religion to believe in God. What I think is stupid is to call billions of people stupid simply because you can not understand how God can exist. The evidence is there in terms of old and new testament prophesies, NDE's, in the fact that even former atheists validated an afterlife from their NDEs. If you need to be hit over the head with evidence, you'll just have to wait until you pass away and experience it for yourself. Too bad we won't be able to see the look on your face when you finally realize Gods word was true.

Maybe you will. Maybe part of your heavenly reward will be witnessing atheists dismay upon learning they've been consigned to hell.

It would not be a "reward" but historically, we know people pay attention when lessons are taught. I'll pay for you in the hopes you lose your arrogance.

"Pray"

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Anonymous wrote:Those "some" human are over 51% of the world's population and 9/10 of Americans that believe in an afterlife. And all acknowledge that there is a Creator far superior to them who they will have to answer to upon death for their actions in life. Doesn't sound egotistical at all to me. Such reverence towards God is actually humility, something atheists seem unable or unwilling to have. Now that is egotistical.

What' egotistical is thinking that if you worship an invisible God adequately, you will have eternal life.

Nah. Its called humility and submission. Thinking you know enough to deny the existence of things you can not explain is egotistical.

thinking that you should believe things for which there is no evidence is stupidity.

There are lots of things you can't explain -- fairies, werewolves, the loch ness monster. Most people don't believe in them -- but then those things don't promise eternal life, or threaten you with severe punishment if you don't believe in them, so it's easier to not believe in them

People with faith are hardly stupid. They know something in their heart with such absolute certainty that scientific evidence is not required. Some people call it intuition. Others say this is how God guides people. There are plenty of well educated people who are surgeons, professors, lawyers who are devout in their belief. One would hardly call them stupid. You, as an atheist, need concrete proof because you don't feel anything in your heart. I think even if you saw some evidence, you would deny it initially. There is some evidence but if your mind is set against it, you will not be open to belief.

I think within the next 100 yrs, science will progress rapidly, and our great grandchildren will have more concrete proof of God and an afterlife. They may not understand God completely still, but they may know He exists.

No, they're just stupid about their faith. Smart people can have blind spots, especially when they're been indoctrinated as children and the society supports their beliefs, or at least doesn't openly oppose them. Luckily, that is changing. Fewer children are being raised with religion and the society doesn't support it as much.

Belief in God is not likely to change anytime soon regardless of religious affinity. One does not need a religion to believe in God. What I think is stupid is to call billions of people stupid simply because you can not understand how God can exist. The evidence is there in terms of old and new testament prophesies, NDE's, in the fact that even former atheists validated an afterlife from their NDEs. If you need to be hit over the head with evidence, you'll just have to wait until you pass away and experience it for yourself. Too bad we won't be able to see the look on your face when you finally realize Gods word was true.

Maybe you will. Maybe part of your heavenly reward will be witnessing atheists dismay upon learning they've been consigned to hell.

Wow - just imagine all those believers lined up, cheering as God points his finger at the terrified atheists, who are begging for mercy as they finally accept God's existence. But it's too late -- they had their chance. Now Satan awaits them! After watching the atheists as they are flung into hell, God and his loyal subjects return to their clouds, waiting for the next batch of atheists futilely banging at the pearly gates

Actually while you mock and insult believers, they will be praying for you. And therein lies the difference between you and them.

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Atheists don't believe in prayer and some of them would consider it an insult. Others don't mind, thinking that the person offering the prayer is just trying to say they care in their own way.

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Anonymous wrote:Those "some" human are over 51% of the world's population and 9/10 of Americans that believe in an afterlife. And all acknowledge that there is a Creator far superior to them who they will have to answer to upon death for their actions in life. Doesn't sound egotistical at all to me. Such reverence towards God is actually humility, something atheists seem unable or unwilling to have. Now that is egotistical.

What' egotistical is thinking that if you worship an invisible God adequately, you will have eternal life.

Nah. Its called humility and submission. Thinking you know enough to deny the existence of things you can not explain is egotistical.

thinking that you should believe things for which there is no evidence is stupidity.

There are lots of things you can't explain -- fairies, werewolves, the loch ness monster. Most people don't believe in them -- but then those things don't promise eternal life, or threaten you with severe punishment if you don't believe in them, so it's easier to not believe in them

People with faith are hardly stupid. They know something in their heart with such absolute certainty that scientific evidence is not required. Some people call it intuition. Others say this is how God guides people. There are plenty of well educated people who are surgeons, professors, lawyers who are devout in their belief. One would hardly call them stupid. You, as an atheist, need concrete proof because you don't feel anything in your heart. I think even if you saw some evidence, you would deny it initially. There is some evidence but if your mind is set against it, you will not be open to belief.

I think within the next 100 yrs, science will progress rapidly, and our great grandchildren will have more concrete proof of God and an afterlife. They may not understand God completely still, but they may know He exists.

No, they're just stupid about their faith. Smart people can have blind spots, especially when they're been indoctrinated as children and the society supports their beliefs, or at least doesn't openly oppose them. Luckily, that is changing. Fewer children are being raised with religion and the society doesn't support it as much.

Belief in God is not likely to change anytime soon regardless of religious affinity. One does not need a religion to believe in God. What I think is stupid is to call billions of people stupid simply because you can not understand how God can exist. The evidence is there in terms of old and new testament prophesies, NDE's, in the fact that even former atheists validated an afterlife from their NDEs. If you need to be hit over the head with evidence, you'll just have to wait until you pass away and experience it for yourself. Too bad we won't be able to see the look on your face when you finally realize Gods word was true.

Maybe you will. Maybe part of your heavenly reward will be witnessing atheists dismay upon learning they've been consigned to hell.

Wow - just imagine all those believers lined up, cheering as God points his finger at the terrified atheists, who are begging for mercy as they finally accept God's existence. But it's too late -- they had their chance. Now Satan awaits them! After watching the atheists as they are flung into hell, God and his loyal subjects return to their clouds, waiting for the next batch of atheists futilely banging at the pearly gates

Actually while you mock and insult believers, they will be praying for you. And therein lies the difference between you and them.

I note a tinge of arrogance in that offer of prayer. How do you know believers will be praying for atheists?

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Anonymous wrote:Those "some" human are over 51% of the world's population and 9/10 of Americans that believe in an afterlife. And all acknowledge that there is a Creator far superior to them who they will have to answer to upon death for their actions in life. Doesn't sound egotistical at all to me. Such reverence towards God is actually humility, something atheists seem unable or unwilling to have. Now that is egotistical.

What' egotistical is thinking that if you worship an invisible God adequately, you will have eternal life.

Nah. Its called humility and submission. Thinking you know enough to deny the existence of things you can not explain is egotistical.

thinking that you should believe things for which there is no evidence is stupidity.

There are lots of things you can't explain -- fairies, werewolves, the loch ness monster. Most people don't believe in them -- but then those things don't promise eternal life, or threaten you with severe punishment if you don't believe in them, so it's easier to not believe in them

People with faith are hardly stupid. They know something in their heart with such absolute certainty that scientific evidence is not required. Some people call it intuition. Others say this is how God guides people. There are plenty of well educated people who are surgeons, professors, lawyers who are devout in their belief. One would hardly call them stupid. You, as an atheist, need concrete proof because you don't feel anything in your heart. I think even if you saw some evidence, you would deny it initially. There is some evidence but if your mind is set against it, you will not be open to belief.

I think within the next 100 yrs, science will progress rapidly, and our great grandchildren will have more concrete proof of God and an afterlife. They may not understand God completely still, but they may know He exists.

No, they're just stupid about their faith. Smart people can have blind spots, especially when they're been indoctrinated as children and the society supports their beliefs, or at least doesn't openly oppose them. Luckily, that is changing. Fewer children are being raised with religion and the society doesn't support it as much.

Belief in God is not likely to change anytime soon regardless of religious affinity. One does not need a religion to believe in God. What I think is stupid is to call billions of people stupid simply because you can not understand how God can exist. The evidence is there in terms of old and new testament prophesies, NDE's, in the fact that even former atheists validated an afterlife from their NDEs. If you need to be hit over the head with evidence, you'll just have to wait until you pass away and experience it for yourself. Too bad we won't be able to see the look on your face when you finally realize Gods word was true.

Maybe you will. Maybe part of your heavenly reward will be witnessing atheists dismay upon learning they've been consigned to hell.

Wow - just imagine all those believers lined up, cheering as God points his finger at the terrified atheists, who are begging for mercy as they finally accept God's existence. But it's too late -- they had their chance. Now Satan awaits them! After watching the atheists as they are flung into hell, God and his loyal subjects return to their clouds, waiting for the next batch of atheists futilely banging at the pearly gates

Actually while you mock and insult believers, they will be praying for you. And therein lies the difference between you and them.

I note a tinge of arrogance in that offer of prayer. How do you know believers will be praying for atheists?

No arrogance, believers are concerned about everyone.

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I note a tinge of arrogance in that offer of prayer. How do you know believers will be praying for atheists?

No arrogance, believers are concerned about everyone.

That's quite a broad statement. No way you could know this.

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Anonymous wrote:Atheists don't believe in prayer and some of them would consider it an insult. Others don't mind, thinking that the person offering the prayer is just trying to say they care in their own way.

+1

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I note a tinge of arrogance in that offer of prayer. How do you know believers will be praying for atheists?

No arrogance, believers are concerned about everyone.

That's quite a broad statement. No way you could know this.

There's a greater chance I know this to be true than you since I am a believer.

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I note a tinge of arrogance in that offer of prayer. How do you know believers will be praying for atheists?

No arrogance, believers are concerned about everyone.

That's quite a broad statement. No way you could know this.

There's a greater chance I know this to be true than you since I am a believer.

All you know as a believer is what you do, not what all believers do. All believers are not alike.

Also, remember, many atheists were once believers, so they tend to know a lot more about believers than believers know about atheists.

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I note a tinge of arrogance in that offer of prayer. How do you know believers will be praying for atheists?

No arrogance, believers are concerned about everyone.

That's quite a broad statement. No way you could know this.

There's a greater chance I know this to be true than you since I am a believer.

All you know as a believer is what you do, not what all believers do. All believers are not alike.

Also, remember, many atheists were once believers, so they tend to know a lot more about believers than believers know about atheists.

You got off that train. And you were probably standing on that train, ready to jump off at the next stop. Religious people attend places of worship. We go to bible study. We meet at church socials and fundraisers. We surround ourselves with believers. We participate in group prayer. Sorry, you lose. Believers do pray for even the most wretched folks. You would not understand why.

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I note a tinge of arrogance in that offer of prayer. How do you know believers will be praying for atheists?

No arrogance, believers are concerned about everyone.

That's quite a broad statement. No way you could know this.

There's a greater chance I know this to be true than you since I am a believer.

All you know as a believer is what you do, not what all believers do. All believers are not alike.

Also, remember, many atheists were once believers, so they tend to know a lot more about believers than believers know about atheists.

You got off that train. And you were probably standing on that train, ready to jump off at the next stop. Religious people attend places of worship. We go to bible study. We meet at church socials and fundraisers. We surround ourselves with believers. We participate in group prayer. Sorry, you lose. Believers do pray for even the most wretched folks. You would not understand why.

SOME believers do the things you mention-- and not very many at that.