Is Dark Matter Where the Seven Heavens Lie?

[Anonymous]

Dark matter is an invisible substance, spread throughout the universe, that makes the stars and planets behave the way they do. That sounds like a description of God, doesn't it? So, if OP is right, then when we go to Heaven we reside within God.

I'm an atheist, but if I were a believer, I would feel that I just had a revelation.

[Anonymous]

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I am sorry but I haven't read through your post. Again, I assume heaven exists, regardless of science. Its not up for debate here. You seem desperate to have a conversation butI'm just not interested in trying to validate my beliefs.

then why are you trying to show how your beliefs fit with science?

Because its a glorious moment for believers when science can validate what we always knew to be true. It reaffirms our faith. But it was not needed to instill it.

If so, then believers have had precious few glorious moments - no validation is possible for any of the miracles (virgin birth, resurrection, etc) because things that are outside of nature can't be affirmed via the scientific method.

Besides, who except for OP has mentioned this "glorious moment?" It's nowhere in the bible -- the bible never even heard of science.

Well, there was this -

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dark matter is an invisible substance, spread throughout the universe, that makes the stars and planets behave the way they do. That sounds like a description of God, doesn't it? So, if OP is right, then when we go to Heaven we reside within God.

I'm an atheist, but if I were a believer, I would feel that I just had a revelation.

You just described the Force. Maybe dark matter is actually midichlorians!

[Anonymous]

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I am sorry but I haven't read through your post. Again, I assume heaven exists, regardless of science. Its not up for debate here. You seem desperate to have a conversation butI'm just not interested in trying to validate my beliefs.

then why are you trying to show how your beliefs fit with science?

Because its a glorious moment for believers when science can validate what we always knew to be true. It reaffirms our faith. But it was not needed to instill it.

And, yet, you admitted to not reading FruminousBandersnatch's post explaining why science would make it difficult for your hypothesis about Heaven being out in the dark matter to be correct. So your "glorious moment" is just you looking at a scientific result that you don't actually understand and saying, "Wow. This might validate my faith!" And when people who actually understand the science (and seem to have a better grasp of theology) weigh in, you get pissy and say they're disrupting the conversation.

Sorry I haven't read your post either.

[Anonymous]

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I am free to use science, nature, philosophy, any subject I like to validate belief in God and heaven. That heaven exists is not at issue for believers. We know it does. But we wonder where it exists. If I say it might exists in trees, will you then ask me why I am using plant biology to validate religion? If I say it exists underground at earths core, will you then ask me why I am using geology to validate religion? If I say heaven exists in the oceans, will you ask why I am using oceanography to validate religion. Its absurdity to think I am not permitted to validate my belief system with dark matter. You are looking for a justification to thwart a genuine discussion of religion simply because you reject religion.

Stop sabotaging the discussion, its not necessary for you to understand or join it. Its meant for people who are devout in their belief in God and heaven.

If the existence of Heaven is not an issue for you, then why do you need to use anything to validate your belief?

Your thread is about whether it's possible for Heaven to be in clumps of dark matter and if the discovery of dark matter and/or multiverse hypotheses and/or Brane hypotheses and/or other aspects of string theory open up the possibility that Heaven is located either in this Universe and is detectable via the gravitational effects of dark matter or is in one of the other "spaces" that are implicit if those other theories are correct.

It appears, though, that unless someone is willing you say, "Wow. That's so cool. You might be right Heaven might be in dark matter!" that constitutes sabotaging the discussion to you.

If you want to use science to validate your religious beliefs, then you should learn a lot more about the science you're trying to use. But if you really need science to validate your faith, then I'd say you've got issues with your faith.

And you are free to think this if you like. But this thread and discussion is not for you.

No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

Two possible reasons:

A) assholes like you who are atheists and can't stand discussion among religious folks so you sabotage threads
B) regardless of science believers will always continue to believe

Believers are a group you will never understand. You're living on the outside, with your nose pressed up against our window, desperate to understand whats going on inside. You never will. You're not in the club. I bet that stinks for you. And thats why you take your anger out on anonymous religious threads. Loser.

[Anonymous]

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FruminousBandersnatch wrote:

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I am free to use science, nature, philosophy, any subject I like to validate belief in God and heaven. That heaven exists is not at issue for believers. We know it does. But we wonder where it exists. If I say it might exists in trees, will you then ask me why I am using plant biology to validate religion? If I say it exists underground at earths core, will you then ask me why I am using geology to validate religion? If I say heaven exists in the oceans, will you ask why I am using oceanography to validate religion. Its absurdity to think I am not permitted to validate my belief system with dark matter. You are looking for a justification to thwart a genuine discussion of religion simply because you reject religion.

Stop sabotaging the discussion, its not necessary for you to understand or join it. Its meant for people who are devout in their belief in God and heaven.

If the existence of Heaven is not an issue for you, then why do you need to use anything to validate your belief?

Your thread is about whether it's possible for Heaven to be in clumps of dark matter and if the discovery of dark matter and/or multiverse hypotheses and/or Brane hypotheses and/or other aspects of string theory open up the possibility that Heaven is located either in this Universe and is detectable via the gravitational effects of dark matter or is in one of the other "spaces" that are implicit if those other theories are correct.

It appears, though, that unless someone is willing you say, "Wow. That's so cool. You might be right Heaven might be in dark matter!" that constitutes sabotaging the discussion to you.

If you want to use science to validate your religious beliefs, then you should learn a lot more about the science you're trying to use. But if you really need science to validate your faith, then I'd say you've got issues with your faith.

And you are free to think this if you like. But this thread and discussion is not for you.

No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

Two possible reasons:

A) assholes like you who are atheists and can't stand discussion among religious folks so you sabotage threads
B) regardless of science believers will always continue to believe

Believers are a group you will never understand. You're living on the outside, with your nose pressed up against our window, desperate to understand whats going on inside. You never will. You're not in the club. I bet that stinks for you. And thats why you take your anger out on anonymous religious threads. Loser.

[Anonymous]

Now watch the flurry of angry posts that the atheists will post. No matter, we don't read many of them. Haha

[Anonymous]

No reason for angry posts. The OP posited that Heaven is located in dark matter, and a follow-up poster (possibly the OP) said that it was a "glorious moment" when science "validates" what believers have known all along.

Most of the contrary posts in this thread have been pointing out the flaws in that hypothesis, while you seem to believe that anyone who disagrees with the initial theory are disrupting the thread. I think most (if not all) readers would disagree with your characterization.

Religion has typically been an explanation for things people can't explain, and then science has come along and explained those things without the need for any supernatural involvement.

It remains possible that the universe had a "creator," that we have "souls" and that there is some kind of afterlife. I can't prove there isn't, but there's no affirmative evidence that there is. Science rarely, if ever, "validates" belief in the supernatural.

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No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

I'm interested in posting. But I don't, because trying to talk about faith on DCUM is like trying to explain econometrics to someone who has zero interest and just wants to mock you. There are other, better venues for talking about faith, thanks.

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No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

I'm interested in posting. But I don't, because trying to talk about faith on DCUM is like trying to explain econometrics to someone who has zero interest and just wants to mock you. There are other, better venues for talking about faith, thanks.

Precisely. But if it continues then it means the atheists are using interest in religion as a guise to mock believers. Lets not let them. Lets report to Jeff or ignore their posts.

[Anonymous]

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No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

I'm interested in posting. But I don't, because trying to talk about faith on DCUM is like trying to explain econometrics to someone who has zero interest and just wants to mock you. There are other, better venues for talking about faith, thanks.

Precisely. But if it continues then it means the atheists are using interest in religion as a guise to mock believers. Lets not let them. Lets report to Jeff or ignore their posts.

Meh. The moderator could care less about Christianity or Judaism being mocked. As I said, find other fora to discuss your questions about religion.

[Anonymous]

^^^ couldn't care less. At least I should be grammatically correct. Do what I do, take yourself off to the Book or schools forums, don't waste time here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

FruminousBandersnatch wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I am free to use science, nature, philosophy, any subject I like to validate belief in God and heaven. That heaven exists is not at issue for believers. We know it does. But we wonder where it exists. If I say it might exists in trees, will you then ask me why I am using plant biology to validate religion? If I say it exists underground at earths core, will you then ask me why I am using geology to validate religion? If I say heaven exists in the oceans, will you ask why I am using oceanography to validate religion. Its absurdity to think I am not permitted to validate my belief system with dark matter. You are looking for a justification to thwart a genuine discussion of religion simply because you reject religion.

Stop sabotaging the discussion, its not necessary for you to understand or join it. Its meant for people who are devout in their belief in God and heaven.

If the existence of Heaven is not an issue for you, then why do you need to use anything to validate your belief?

Your thread is about whether it's possible for Heaven to be in clumps of dark matter and if the discovery of dark matter and/or multiverse hypotheses and/or Brane hypotheses and/or other aspects of string theory open up the possibility that Heaven is located either in this Universe and is detectable via the gravitational effects of dark matter or is in one of the other "spaces" that are implicit if those other theories are correct.


It appears, though, that unless someone is willing you say, "Wow. That's so cool. You might be right Heaven might be in dark matter!" that constitutes sabotaging the discussion to you.

If you want to use science to validate your religious beliefs, then you should learn a lot more about the science you're trying to use. But if you really need science to validate your faith, then I'd say you've got issues with your faith.

And you are free to think this if you like. But this thread and discussion is not for you.

No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

Two possible reasons:

A) assholes like you who are atheists and can't stand discussion among religious folks so you sabotage threads
B) regardless of science believers will always continue to believe

Believers are a group you will never understand. You're living on the outside, with your nose pressed up against our window, desperate to understand whats going on inside. You never will. You're not in the club. I bet that stinks for you. And thats why you take your anger out on anonymous religious threads. Loser.

On the contrary, most atheists today were believers at one time, because like most people, they were taught by their parents to believe. That is changing, as more parents don't indoctrinate their children, but right now atheists are likely to know more about religion than religious people because atheists are at one time religious, and thought about religion and studied it before rejecting it. Atheists today have a much clearer understanding of religion than people who have always been religious. They've seen both sides and went with what made most sense to them based on the evidence.

A. Would Jesus approve of calling atheists "assholes?"
B. Right, - it's likely that there will always be people who choose to believe unbelievable things, despite science. Hopefully, as time goes on, they will be in the minority.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

I'm interested in posting. But I don't, because trying to talk about faith on DCUM is like trying to explain econometrics to someone who has zero interest and just wants to mock you. There are other, better venues for talking about faith, thanks.

But you just did! Go ahead, say whatever you wanted to say - a forum is about the exchange of ideas, not just about agreeing with people or affirming their beliefs. If what you mean by "better venues" is "places where people agree with you" - you're right -- go to church for that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, this thread is for people who think like OP, and apparently there are very few of those interested in posting. God's will.

I'm interested in posting. But I don't, because trying to talk about faith on DCUM is like trying to explain econometrics to someone who has zero interest and just wants to mock you. There are other, better venues for talking about faith, thanks.

Precisely. But if it continues then it means the atheists are using interest in religion as a guise to mock believers. Lets not let them. Lets report to Jeff or ignore their posts.

People disagree with each other all over DCUM