Why is there such a racial/ethnic disconnect with TJ Admissions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not just politicians and judges and teachers at TJ. What about police officers, they should be 16% Asians. I think it's about 1 or 2% Asian. What about the county employees, they should be representative of the Asian population of the county and be 16% not 2 or 3%. What about all the employees that work at the Gatehouse? They should be 16% Asians. It's outrageous there is such a disproportionate gap in virtually everything except for a place where semi-meritocracy is practiced. If this is not a demonstrable evidence of disparate impact I don't know what is. There should be an immediate Complaint filed with the Civil Rights Division of the US Justice Department alleging racial discrimination alleging wide spread and pervasive discrimination.

Do you have evidence that Asians are being turned down for these positions? No one would have any difficulty showing that non-Asians are turned away from TJ in disproportionate numbers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ It is really bizarre to see criticism of Asian parents and how they raise their children given that many really excel in this country. I am not sure what the driving force is behind this sort of criticism.

It actually reminds me of reports about black children who are picked on by other black kids for being too focused on their studies etc except that in this case it seems to be some white parents who resent Asian children wanting to do well.

Boo hoo. Read this piece and reflect on the possibility that changes are also long overdue at TJ.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/opinion/new-york-citys-top-public-schools-need-diversity.html?_r=0

Another move to reward mediocrity. Hopefully, it will not happen in VA.

If the NAACP can file a federal civil rights lawsuit challenging the admissions practices at Stuyvesant, it can surely do so at TJ. If anything, a Virginia school might be subject to greater scrutiny than one in NY.

Consider yourself on notice.

it wasn't a lawsuit and it wasn't federal. It was a complaint with the New York Office of Civil Rights. The NAACP has in fact filed one with the U.S. Dept of Education but it is so badly pled and meritless it will be dismissed for failure to even state a claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course TJ is the cause!

To get into TJ, it is best to get into an AAP center.

To get into an AAP center, it is best to score high on NNAT and CogAT.

Eliminate TJ and reduce the incentive to get into AAP.

Yes. It is out of control. Stop spending my tax dollars on this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ It is really bizarre to see criticism of Asian parents and how they raise their children given that many really excel in this country. I am not sure what the driving force is behind this sort of criticism.

It actually reminds me of reports about black children who are picked on by other black kids for being too focused on their studies etc except that in this case it seems to be some white parents who resent Asian children wanting to do well.

Boo hoo. Read this piece and reflect on the possibility that changes are also long overdue at TJ.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/opinion/new-york-citys-top-public-schools-need-diversity.html?_r=0

Another move to reward mediocrity. Hopefully, it will not happen in VA.

If the NAACP can file a federal civil rights lawsuit challenging the admissions practices at Stuyvesant, it can surely do so at TJ. If anything, a Virginia school might be subject to greater scrutiny than one in NY.

Consider yourself on notice.

it wasn't a lawsuit and it wasn't federal. It was a complaint with the New York Office of Civil Rights. The NAACP has in fact filed one with the U.S. Dept of Education but it is so badly pled and meritless it will be dismissed for failure to even state a claim.

Your wishing that were the case won't make it so. Obviously there is a disparate impact on non-Asian students who are being denied the same opportunities as Asian students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just politicians and judges and teachers at TJ. What about police officers, they should be 16% Asians. I think it's about 1 or 2% Asian. What about the county employees, they should be representative of the Asian population of the county and be 16% not 2 or 3%. What about all the employees that work at the Gatehouse? They should be 16% Asians. It's outrageous there is such a disproportionate gap in virtually everything except for a place where semi-meritocracy is practiced. If this is not a demonstrable evidence of disparate impact I don't know what is. There should be an immediate Complaint filed with the Civil Rights Division of the US Justice Department alleging racial discrimination alleging wide spread and pervasive discrimination.

Do you have evidence that Asians are being turned down for these positions? No one would have any difficulty showing that non-Asians are turned away from TJ in disproportionate numbers.

No one would have difficulty showing non-Asians turned down by TJ are less qualified than accepted Asians. TJ admissions office bends backwards to recruit and accept qualified applicants especially blacks and Hispanics. In fact, I would like to see the data on all of the 3,000 applicants, their GPA, test scores, LORs, SIS, essays etc. and any other applicable data, the racial make up of ALL of the people involved in the admissions process from the people that work in the office to ALL of the people that supposedly read all of the essays and SIS and score )I suspect that there are 0 Asians involved in scoring anything or making any admissions decisions and this should change to 16% as well) them and this secret formula that is "holistic" so no one can attack them. These admissions people can basically do anything they want including admitting unqualified non-Asians. The admissions office should release this complete data for any one of the recent years to the public so that public can verify what is going on at the admissions office.

As for Asians and employment numbers/percentages, do you know what "disparate impact" means? You should look it up.

[Anonymous]

Of course the Asians are more "qualified" to get into TJ as currently constituted. Let's take a look at the damaging impact that operating TJ as a magnet has on minority students in overcrowded schools in eastern Fairfax, the record of denying admission to qualified non-Asian minorities, the subjectivity at work in the current admissions process that favors Asians who are familiar with gaming the system in other countries, and the advantages that TJ provides its students over those at other schools. The discrimination must end, and the school should be returned to its original use as a neighborhood school ASAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: the school should be returned to its original use as a neighborhood school ASAP.

Yes! +1000000

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if they felt they had 20 million in assets and personally knew at least dozen people in "positions of power" to hire their kids for internships/gain admission to elite college as "developmental case"/offer cushy jobs after college etc.

You know that very few people of any race or background have these advantages?

The point is, of the people that can claim such qualifications (comfortable wealth, right connections), disproportionately small percentage (much smaller than 6%) would be Asians. I don't have the data but I would suspect 1% at most would be Asians, maybe 2 or 3% other minorities, 2 or 3 % others and vast majority (more than 90%) would be white. Since people love to cite disproportionately small % of blacks/Hispanics at TJ compared to their % of population, what about disproportionately small % of Asians who qualify for this criteria of upper class with money and connections despite hard work and study for decades? Work hard, study hard and you can achieve anything in America. Isn't that the American dream? Why is low numbers of blacks/Hispanic in magnet schools such a dire problem discussed almost at every chance with lawsuits and complaints being filed and politicians tripping over themselves to appear politically correct while myriad of discrimination against Asians are ignored? They are not just ignored they are almost condemned if they even dare to raise the issues such as reverse discrimination of Asian Americans in college Admissions, employment discrimination of Asian Americans, almost universal negative portrayal of Asian Americans in pop culture (Movies, TV etc.) and media, discrimination against Asians in Hollywood, entertainment industry etc. Basically, Asian Americans are forced into technical field such as STEM since there is less discrimination in those fields and there are less blacks/Hispanic who are coveted and less whites since many whites prefer more diverse jobs. It is not necessarily because Asians are born with some sort of STEM genes and love to study calculus and physics more than other races. I suspect vast majority of whites screaming about lack of blacks/Hispanics at TJ will qualify as the upper class whites comfortable enough so that they have many options in life; they can send their children to privates if they wanted so no need to sweat for TJ, no problem with college tuition since full pay is no issue etc. etc. You really don't know how it is until you actually experience something yourself. At least blacks.Hispanics have sufficient political clout to have their issues out in public. Asians don't even have that. Society will be judged by how they treat their weakest.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ It is really bizarre to see criticism of Asian parents and how they raise their children given that many really excel in this country. I am not sure what the driving force is behind this sort of criticism.

It actually reminds me of reports about black children who are picked on by other black kids for being too focused on their studies etc except that in this case it seems to be some white parents who resent Asian children wanting to do well.

Boo hoo. Read this piece and reflect on the possibility that changes are also long overdue at TJ.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/opinion/new-york-citys-top-public-schools-need-diversity.html?_r=0

Another move to reward mediocrity. Hopefully, it will not happen in VA.

If the NAACP can file a federal civil rights lawsuit challenging the admissions practices at Stuyvesant, it can surely do so at TJ. If anything, a Virginia school might be subject to greater scrutiny than one in NY.

Consider yourself on notice.

it wasn't a lawsuit and it wasn't federal. It was a complaint with the New York Office of Civil Rights. The NAACP has in fact filed one with the U.S. Dept of Education but it is so badly pled and meritless it will be dismissed for failure to even state a claim.

Your wishing that were the case won't make it so. Obviously there is a disparate impact on non-Asian students who are being denied the same opportunities as Asian students.

they have exactly the same opportunities and then some. Case dismissed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course the Asians are more "qualified" to get into TJ as currently constituted. Let's take a look at the damaging impact that operating TJ as a magnet has on minority students in overcrowded schools in eastern Fairfax, the record of denying admission to qualified non-Asian minorities, the subjectivity at work in the current admissions process that favors Asians who are familiar with gaming the system in other countries, and the advantages that TJ provides its students over those at other schools. The discrimination must end, and the school should be returned to its original use as a neighborhood school ASAP.

mega bullshit. The minorities don't even apply. You can't admit people who don't apply.

[Anonymous]

it is illegal to discriminate in employment.
It is illegal to discriminate in housing.
It is not illegal to discriminate in admission to a special advanced academic program within the public school system. It's based on merit. Yes that will discriminate against the less advanced. Not illegal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Of course the Asians are more "qualified" to get into TJ as currently constituted. Let's take a look at the damaging impact that operating TJ as a magnet has on minority students in overcrowded schools in eastern Fairfax, the record of denying admission to qualified non-Asian minorities, the subjectivity at work in the current admissions process that favors Asians who are familiar with gaming the system in other countries, and the advantages that TJ provides its students over those at other schools. The discrimination must end, and the school should be returned to its original use as a neighborhood school ASAP.

mega bullshit. The minorities don't even apply. You can't admit people who don't apply.

You're pretty stupid. The non-Asian minority kids in TJ's old neighborhood get bounced around from one overcrowded school to another, so that other children can attend a school that's getting a multi-million dollar renovation to look like a faux U. Va. Of course, there aren't many applications from non-Asian minorities. They see who gets in. After a while banging your head against the brick wall stops being fun.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Of course the Asians are more "qualified" to get into TJ as currently constituted. Let's take a look at the damaging impact that operating TJ as a magnet has on minority students in overcrowded schools in eastern Fairfax, the record of denying admission to qualified non-Asian minorities, the subjectivity at work in the current admissions process that favors Asians who are familiar with gaming the system in other countries, and the advantages that TJ provides its students over those at other schools. The discrimination must end, and the school should be returned to its original use as a neighborhood school ASAP.

mega bullshit. The minorities don't even apply. You can't admit people who don't apply.

You're pretty stupid. The non-Asian minority kids in TJ's old neighborhood get bounced around from one overcrowded school to another, so that other children can attend a school that's getting a multi-million dollar renovation to look like a faux U. Va. Of course, there aren't many applications from non-Asian minorities. They see who gets in. After a while banging your head against the brick wall stops being fun.

you're still flogging that dead horse? If they want in they can apply -- nothing is stopping them. Again, case dismissed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:it is illegal to discriminate in employment.
It is illegal to discriminate in housing.
It is not illegal to discriminate in admission to a special advanced academic program within the public school system. It's based on merit. Yes that will discriminate against the less advanced. Not illegal.

TJ is an educational market rigged in favor of high-frequency testers. The funny thing is that even the Tiger kids are losing interest in the place, with fewer applications every year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Of course the Asians are more "qualified" to get into TJ as currently constituted. Let's take a look at the damaging impact that operating TJ as a magnet has on minority students in overcrowded schools in eastern Fairfax, the record of denying admission to qualified non-Asian minorities, the subjectivity at work in the current admissions process that favors Asians who are familiar with gaming the system in other countries, and the advantages that TJ provides its students over those at other schools. The discrimination must end, and the school should be returned to its original use as a neighborhood school ASAP.

mega bullshit. The minorities don't even apply. You can't admit people who don't apply.

You're pretty stupid. The non-Asian minority kids in TJ's old neighborhood get bounced around from one overcrowded school to another, so that other children can attend a school that's getting a multi-million dollar renovation to look like a faux U. Va. Of course, there aren't many applications from non-Asian minorities. They see who gets in. After a while banging your head against the brick wall stops being fun.

you're still flogging that dead horse? If they want in they can apply -- nothing is stopping them. Again, case dismissed.

Not your decision, asshat.