Why is there such a racial/ethnic disconnect with TJ Admissions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually one of the reasons that Asians in the US are overrepresented in academic achievements is because you have a unbalanced sample set. The majority of the Asians who come to the US do so to come for college, graduate school or to accept high tech or otherwise highly skilled positions. It is very difficult for Asians to emigrate to the US except for academic reasons. Many other races have alternative means of emigrating to the US, but education and highly skilled positions are the vast majority of the opportunities for Asians. So, you have an exceptionally highly intelligent subset of Asians that become US immigrants and end up staying in the US. The average and even slightly above average Asian students don't come to the US. These Asians then breed offspring who tend to be more intelligent than average for their race. That plus most Asian cultures stress academic achievement as a standard make them more competitive in academic situations.

The reason that TJ and selective schools tend to be overrepresented vs other public schools is that Asians place such a high stress on education that many of them will try to send their children to advance or magnet programs even if they have to move to do so and fewer leave their children in public schools, so you have a higher percentage of the Asian population going to select schools leaving fewer in the public school system.

well yeah that and they send their kids to TJ prep classes starting in 6th grade. Don't laugh - I saw this with my own eyes.

What's wrong with prep classes? AAP parents should be very familiar with prepping, gaming and appealing so that their children get into AAP. At least, there is no appealing by spending money and by hiring experts to get the best IQ scores money can buy to gain admission to TJ like there is with AAP. Also, do AAP parents object to preparing for SAT/ACT classes as well? I don't think so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually one of the reasons that Asians in the US are overrepresented in academic achievements is because you have a unbalanced sample set. The majority of the Asians who come to the US do so to come for college, graduate school or to accept high tech or otherwise highly skilled positions. It is very difficult for Asians to emigrate to the US except for academic reasons. Many other races have alternative means of emigrating to the US, but education and highly skilled positions are the vast majority of the opportunities for Asians. So, you have an exceptionally highly intelligent subset of Asians that become US immigrants and end up staying in the US. The average and even slightly above average Asian students don't come to the US. These Asians then breed offspring who tend to be more intelligent than average for their race. That plus most Asian cultures stress academic achievement as a standard make them more competitive in academic situations.

The reason that TJ and selective schools tend to be overrepresented vs other public schools is that Asians place such a high stress on education that many of them will try to send their children to advance or magnet programs even if they have to move to do so and fewer leave their children in public schools, so you have a higher percentage of the Asian population going to select schools leaving fewer in the public school system.

well yeah that and they send their kids to TJ prep classes starting in 6th grade. Don't laugh - I saw this with my own eyes.

What's wrong with prep classes? AAP parents should be very familiar with prepping, gaming and appealing so that their children get into AAP. At least, there is no appealing by spending money and by hiring experts to get the best IQ scores money can buy to gain admission to TJ like there is with AAP. Also, do AAP parents object to preparing for SAT/ACT classes as well? I don't think so.

^ nothing wrong with it. The question was why are the Asians so overrepresented at TJ, and I believe is extensive test prep starting sometimes as early as 6th grade is one of the reasons.

[Anonymous]

Sorry PP, test prep is more a way of life, and it starts well before 6th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry PP, test prep is more a way of life, and it starts well before 6th grade.

for TJ, really?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at the statistics for the TJ admissions this year. Why is the racial/ethnic makeup so much different from that of Fairfax County, and neighboring counties, as a whole? I do not believe any one particular race is smarter than another, so please don't tell me that. I don't think one race tries harder than another race either. But it is quite obvious that certain segments of our society are under-represented, and the trend looks to be getting worse. Why is this happenning?

It's not just TJ admissions but almost all of the elite selective public magnet high schools are majority Asians including Stuyvesant, Bronx School of Science, Hunter, Lowell etc. This is also true for winners of well-known competitions such as Intel, Intel ISEF, Siemens, Google, AMC, Chemistry, Biology Physics Olympiad, National Spelling Bee, Chess Tournaments, Rubik's Cube Competitions, basically anything that can be assessed objectively.

Asians also have the highest average CR, Math and Writing SAT scores. If you exclude intelligence and effort, you excluded pretty much all potential explanations.

Agreed. I believe that Asians are naturally smart, and this coupled with a culture of studying/prepping leads to the numbers disparity. People want to believe that all groups of people are equal, but it's obvious that this isn't true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry PP, test prep is more a way of life, and it starts well before 6th grade.

Teachers in enrichment classes and summer programs start talking about TJ in early grade school. It's all geared toward that one school as being the ultimate goal for kids

[Anonymous]

a generalization perhaps, but whites seem not as interested in STEM as Asians and this has led to marked decline in white applications - not their rate of acceptance, mind - but the number who even bother to apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:a generalization perhaps, but whites seem not as interested in STEM as Asians and this has led to marked decline in white applications - not their rate of acceptance, mind - but the number who even bother to apply.

That's not a lack of interest in STEM. It's a lack of wanting to go to a school where one is such a minority.

[Anonymous]

Haha round eye, you have no chance
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:a generalization perhaps, but whites seem not as interested in STEM as Asians and this has led to marked decline in white applications - not their rate of acceptance, mind - but the number who even bother to apply.

That's not a lack of interest in STEM. It's a lack of wanting to go to a school where one is such a minority.

Now they know what minority kids around the nation face every day, with the difference being that these work-phobic white kids have other options, while most minority kids don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:a generalization perhaps, but whites seem not as interested in STEM as Asians and this has led to marked decline in white applications - not their rate of acceptance, mind - but the number who even bother to apply.

That's not a lack of interest in STEM. It's a lack of wanting to go to a school where one is such a minority.

Now they know what minority kids around the nation face every day, with the difference being that these work-phobic white kids have other options, while most minority kids don't.

You hit it right on the head!

[Anonymous]

There is less discrimination and less of a glass ceiling barrier in hard science fields like engineering, computer science and medicine against Asians compared to other fields such as business, law and humanities so Asians gravitate towards hard science areas.

Hard to believe we still have discrimination in employment but sadly it still exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because one group studies in their free time while the other watches TV or plays computer games.

We have a winner....

[Anonymous]

Because one group is populated primarily by people immigrating from countries that treat children very harshly from a young age, and do so with no apologies. Why should the rest of us subsidize and reward such behavior in this country?

[Anonymous]

As a parent of a very hard working white TJ student, who also finds time to watch TV and play video games, it's pretty offensive to have randos on this website call him and others like him lazy, stupid, etc. These are kids you are talking about. They are all smart and good, regardless of race. The parents, that could be another story....