2014-AAP - In-pool / FxAt Results

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Anonymous wrote:DS has been in pull outs and identified since preK- NNAT score was 160- cogat 129. Teacher already said she'd submit him regardless of scores (unprompted). I guess I am puzzled since these scores are different- DS is over 2 grades ahead in LA but that was the lowest score for Cogat. I did read now that cogat testing is read and is group based - meanwhile NNAT is timed. DS can wander a bit and he focuses on things so much that we have to snap him back (NOT ADHD). Based on feedback, cogat would have been better if DS could have gone on his own (not read- group timing). Anyway, has anyone else had this scenario and please share what happened. Thanks.

"Teacher" doesn't submit him.

A teacher can refer, but this is extremely rare. A teacher can also proactively suggest that the parents refer, which is more common.

PP here with DS, teacher was clear that she would refer. Didn't care about scores nor knew about them but said AAP was a place where DS with creative critical thinking would thrive. She made it clear that if DS did not make it in pool, she would refer and for us to read about AAP.

Preempting other questions- DS is our eldest so we don't have the lingo down but his teacher did very clearly say she would refer/submit DS and she wanted us to read about AAP . Was very direct- teacher led the whole conference and had her agenda- one very clearly was telling us about AAP and her position.

Sorry, this makes no sense. The first grade teacher wouldn't do the referral (not recent information) and the second grade teacher would have knowledge of the NNAT results and therefore know your child would be in the pool, at a 160 score...

We and many others love our teacher but there were some class changes- NNAT scores were not on her radar. After teacher talked about DS and referring- we brought up the NNAT scores. Teacher was floored at the score but then kept saying DS was gifted.

I have never heard of a classroom teacher saying a child is gifted in a setting like this. If your child has a 160 on the NNAT, however the discussion is moot and he is already in the pool of considers children.

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Anonymous wrote:DS has been in pull outs and identified since preK- NNAT score was 160- cogat 129. Teacher already said she'd submit him regardless of scores (unprompted). I guess I am puzzled since these scores are different- DS is over 2 grades ahead in LA but that was the lowest score for Cogat. I did read now that cogat testing is read and is group based - meanwhile NNAT is timed. DS can wander a bit and he focuses on things so much that we have to snap him back (NOT ADHD). Based on feedback, cogat would have been better if DS could have gone on his own (not read- group timing). Anyway, has anyone else had this scenario and please share what happened. Thanks.

"Teacher" doesn't submit him.

A teacher can refer, but this is extremely rare. A teacher can also proactively suggest that the parents refer, which is more common.

PP here with DS, teacher was clear that she would refer. Didn't care about scores nor knew about them but said AAP was a place where DS with creative critical thinking would thrive. She made it clear that if DS did not make it in pool, she would refer and for us to read about AAP.

Preempting other questions- DS is our eldest so we don't have the lingo down but his teacher did very clearly say she would refer/submit DS and she wanted us to read about AAP . Was very direct- teacher led the whole conference and had her agenda- one very clearly was telling us about AAP and her position.

Sorry, this makes no sense. The first grade teacher wouldn't do the referral (not recent information) and the second grade teacher would have knowledge of the NNAT results and therefore know your child would be in the pool, at a 160 score...

We and many others love our teacher but there were some class changes- NNAT scores were not on her radar. After teacher talked about DS and referring- we brought up the NNAT scores. Teacher was floored at the score but then kept saying DS was gifted.

I have never heard of a classroom teacher saying a child is gifted in a setting like this. If your child has a 160 on the NNAT, however the discussion is moot and he is already in the pool of considers children.

PP here, after our !Q meeting, DS demonstrates a lot of gifted traits (and before 2nd grade) - there are some components that stick out and teacher said DS was gifted- which comes with challenges- not adhd- I actually appreciated that teacher could understand this rather than dismiss it. So- gifted was not in 1Q PT conference but shortly afterwards.

Why are you such a skeptic on these postings? BTW, I have friends same school age level kids that pick DS as aap. I posted since the cogat test scores were great but NNAT at 160 was the clincher. I am hoping others with similar situations can post / share.

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I have never heard of a classroom teacher saying a child is gifted in a setting like this. If your child has a 160 on the NNAT, however the discussion is moot and he is already in the pool of considers children.

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Teacher was not in tune at that time (1Q) to see class scores. It's refreshing to hear of a teacher who bases their own opinion based on *their own opinion* not scores

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Any one get the pool letter in Mantua?

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Got in pool letter but no scores.

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The beauty of this website is that it documents proof of over-obsessed parents. When your children are in their 20s, lying on therapists' couches, they'll simply show the scorer a print-out of this group. Instant antidepressant prescription!

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Anonymous wrote:DS has been in pull outs and identified since preK- NNAT score was 160- cogat 129. Teacher already said she'd submit him regardless of scores (unprompted). I guess I am puzzled since these scores are different- DS is over 2 grades ahead in LA but that was the lowest score for Cogat. I did read now that cogat testing is read and is group based - meanwhile NNAT is timed. DS can wander a bit and he focuses on things so much that we have to snap him back (NOT ADHD). Based on feedback, cogat would have been better if DS could have gone on his own (not read- group timing). Anyway, has anyone else had this scenario and please share what happened. Thanks.

"Teacher" doesn't submit him.

A teacher can refer, but this is extremely rare. A teacher can also proactively suggest that the parents refer, which is more common.

PP here with DS, teacher was clear that she would refer. Didn't care about scores nor knew about them but said AAP was a place where DS with creative critical thinking would thrive. She made it clear that if DS did not make it in pool, she would refer and for us to read about AAP.

Preempting other questions- DS is our eldest so we don't have the lingo down but his teacher did very clearly say she would refer/submit DS and she wanted us to read about AAP . Was very direct- teacher led the whole conference and had her agenda- one very clearly was telling us about AAP and her position.

Sorry, this makes no sense. The first grade teacher wouldn't do the referral (not recent information) and the second grade teacher would have knowledge of the NNAT results and therefore know your child would be in the pool, at a 160 score...

We and many others love our teacher but there were some class changes- NNAT scores were not on her radar. After teacher talked about DS and referring- we brought up the NNAT scores. Teacher was floored at the score but then kept saying DS was gifted.

I have never heard of a classroom teacher saying a child is gifted in a setting like this. If your child has a 160 on the NNAT, however the discussion is moot and he is already in the pool of considers children.

I am not that poster.

My child's kindergarten, 1st grade and second grade teachers all talked about my child going into AAP as a done deal. The first and second grade teachers had the NNAT scores, which were outside the pool by a couple of points (in the low 90s). The second grade teach at the fall conference pulled out work samples "for his referral packet" to show us and mentioned that she will continue to look for his best work to put in his packet.

Based on our experience, I believe that poster.

Since my kid is outside the pool on the Cogat (127) we plan to contact the teacher to confirm whether or not she wants us to refer. We are fine with whatever she suggests.

PP, perhaps contact the teacher and see if she still thinks your child should be referred, and whether she will do this or if you should. Good luck!

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Most teachers want to stay neutral and leave the decision for you to refer or not.
They will tell you that they will support your decision either way and that they have a work file for every student already prepared.

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Anonymous wrote:DS has been in pull outs and identified since preK- NNAT score was 160- cogat 129. Teacher already said she'd submit him regardless of scores (unprompted). I guess I am puzzled since these scores are different- DS is over 2 grades ahead in LA but that was the lowest score for Cogat. I did read now that cogat testing is read and is group based - meanwhile NNAT is timed. DS can wander a bit and he focuses on things so much that we have to snap him back (NOT ADHD). Based on feedback, cogat would have been better if DS could have gone on his own (not read- group timing). Anyway, has anyone else had this scenario and please share what happened. Thanks.

"Teacher" doesn't submit him.

A teacher can refer, but this is extremely rare. A teacher can also proactively suggest that the parents refer, which is more common.

PP here with DS, teacher was clear that she would refer. Didn't care about scores nor knew about them but said AAP was a place where DS with creative critical thinking would thrive. She made it clear that if DS did not make it in pool, she would refer and for us to read about AAP.

Preempting other questions- DS is our eldest so we don't have the lingo down but his teacher did very clearly say she would refer/submit DS and she wanted us to read about AAP . Was very direct- teacher led the whole conference and had her agenda- one very clearly was telling us about AAP and her position.

Sorry, this makes no sense. The first grade teacher wouldn't do the referral (not recent information) and the second grade teacher would have knowledge of the NNAT results and therefore know your child would be in the pool, at a 160 score...

We and many others love our teacher but there were some class changes- NNAT scores were not on her radar. After teacher talked about DS and referring- we brought up the NNAT scores. Teacher was floored at the score but then kept saying DS was gifted.

I have never heard of a classroom teacher saying a child is gifted in a setting like this. If your child has a 160 on the NNAT, however the discussion is moot and he is already in the pool of considers children.

PP here, after our !Q meeting, DS demonstrates a lot of gifted traits (and before 2nd grade) - there are some components that stick out and teacher said DS was gifted- which comes with challenges- not adhd- I actually appreciated that teacher could understand this rather than dismiss it. So- gifted was not in 1Q PT conference but shortly afterwards.

Why are you such a skeptic on these postings? [u]BTW, I have friends same school age level kids that pick DS as aap[/u]. I posted since the cogat test scores were great but NNAT at 160 was the clincher. I am hoping others with similar situations can post / share.

Adds to skepticism.

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Anonymous wrote:DS has been in pull outs and identified since preK- NNAT score was 160- cogat 129. Teacher already said she'd submit him regardless of scores (unprompted). I guess I am puzzled since these scores are different- DS is over 2 grades ahead in LA but that was the lowest score for Cogat. I did read now that cogat testing is read and is group based - meanwhile NNAT is timed. DS can wander a bit and he focuses on things so much that we have to snap him back (NOT ADHD). Based on feedback, cogat would have been better if DS could have gone on his own (not read- group timing). Anyway, has anyone else had this scenario and please share what happened. Thanks.

"Teacher" doesn't submit him.

A teacher can refer, but this is extremely rare. A teacher can also proactively suggest that the parents refer, which is more common.

PP here with DS, teacher was clear that she would refer. Didn't care about scores nor knew about them but said AAP was a place where DS with creative critical thinking would thrive. She made it clear that if DS did not make it in pool, she would refer and for us to read about AAP.

Preempting other questions- DS is our eldest so we don't have the lingo down but his teacher did very clearly say she would refer/submit DS and she wanted us to read about AAP . Was very direct- teacher led the whole conference and had her agenda- one very clearly was telling us about AAP and her position.

Sorry, this makes no sense. The first grade teacher wouldn't do the referral (not recent information) and the second grade teacher would have knowledge of the NNAT results and therefore know your child would be in the pool, at a 160 score...

We and many others love our teacher but there were some class changes- NNAT scores were not on her radar. After teacher talked about DS and referring- we brought up the NNAT scores. Teacher was floored at the score but then kept saying DS was gifted.

I have never heard of a classroom teacher saying a child is gifted in a setting like this. If your child has a 160 on the NNAT, however the discussion is moot and he is already in the pool of considers children.

I am not that poster.

My child's kindergarten, 1st grade and second grade teachers all talked about my child going into AAP as a done deal. The first and second grade teachers had the NNAT scores, which were outside the pool by a couple of points (in the low 90s). The second grade teach at the fall conference pulled out work samples "for his referral packet" to show us and mentioned that she will continue to look for his best work to put in his packet.

Based on our experience, I believe that poster.

Since my kid is outside the pool on the Cogat (127) we plan to contact the teacher to confirm whether or not she wants us to refer. We are fine with whatever she suggests.

PP, perhaps contact the teacher and see if she still thinks your child should be referred, and whether she will do this or if you should. Good luck!

Good luck...but the NNAT was more than a few point off in the low 90s.

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Anonymous wrote:DS has been in pull outs and identified since preK- NNAT score was 160- cogat 129. Teacher already said she'd submit him regardless of scores (unprompted). I guess I am puzzled since these scores are different- DS is over 2 grades ahead in LA but that was the lowest score for Cogat. I did read now that cogat testing is read and is group based - meanwhile NNAT is timed. DS can wander a bit and he focuses on things so much that we have to snap him back (NOT ADHD). Based on feedback, cogat would have been better if DS could have gone on his own (not read- group timing). Anyway, has anyone else had this scenario and please share what happened. Thanks.

"Teacher" doesn't submit him.

A teacher can refer, but this is extremely rare. A teacher can also proactively suggest that the parents refer, which is more common.

PP here with DS, teacher was clear that she would refer. Didn't care about scores nor knew about them but said AAP was a place where DS with creative critical thinking would thrive. She made it clear that if DS did not make it in pool, she would refer and for us to read about AAP.

Preempting other questions- DS is our eldest so we don't have the lingo down but his teacher did very clearly say she would refer/submit DS and she wanted us to read about AAP . Was very direct- teacher led the whole conference and had her agenda- one very clearly was telling us about AAP and her position.

Sorry, this makes no sense. The first grade teacher wouldn't do the referral (not recent information) and the second grade teacher would have knowledge of the NNAT results and therefore know your child would be in the pool, at a 160 score...

We and many others love our teacher but there were some class changes- NNAT scores were not on her radar. After teacher talked about DS and referring- we brought up the NNAT scores. Teacher was floored at the score but then kept saying DS was gifted.

I have never heard of a classroom teacher saying a child is gifted in a setting like this. If your child has a 160 on the NNAT, however the discussion is moot and he is already in the pool of considers children.

I am not that poster.

My child's kindergarten, 1st grade and second grade teachers all talked about my child going into AAP as a done deal. The first and second grade teachers had the NNAT scores, which were outside the pool by a couple of points (in the low 90s). The second grade teach at the fall conference pulled out work samples "for his referral packet" to show us and mentioned that she will continue to look for his best work to put in his packet.

Based on our experience, I believe that poster.

Since my kid is outside the pool on the Cogat (127) we plan to contact the teacher to confirm whether or not she wants us to refer. We are fine with whatever she suggests.

PP, perhaps contact the teacher and see if she still thinks your child should be referred, and whether she will do this or if you should. Good luck!

Good luck...but the NNAT was more than a few point off in the low 90s.

Not PP, but I would rely much more on the fact that all three teacher, who interacted with the child on a daily bases, think the the child belongs in AAP, than on the test score being in the low 90s. The NNAT and CogAT are not IQ tests so I'd go with the judgment of people whose job is working with and educating kids on a daily bases.

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Anonymous wrote:DS has been in pull outs and identified since preK- NNAT score was 160- cogat 129. Teacher already said she'd submit him regardless of scores (unprompted). I guess I am puzzled since these scores are different- DS is over 2 grades ahead in LA but that was the lowest score for Cogat. I did read now that cogat testing is read and is group based - meanwhile NNAT is timed. DS can wander a bit and he focuses on things so much that we have to snap him back (NOT ADHD). Based on feedback, cogat would have been better if DS could have gone on his own (not read- group timing). Anyway, has anyone else had this scenario and please share what happened. Thanks.

"Teacher" doesn't submit him.

A teacher can refer, but this is extremely rare. A teacher can also proactively suggest that the parents refer, which is more common.

PP here with DS, teacher was clear that she would refer. Didn't care about scores nor knew about them but said AAP was a place where DS with creative critical thinking would thrive. She made it clear that if DS did not make it in pool, she would refer and for us to read about AAP.

Preempting other questions- DS is our eldest so we don't have the lingo down but his teacher did very clearly say she would refer/submit DS and she wanted us to read about AAP . Was very direct- teacher led the whole conference and had her agenda- one very clearly was telling us about AAP and her position.

Sorry, this makes no sense. The first grade teacher wouldn't do the referral (not recent information) and the second grade teacher would have knowledge of the NNAT results and therefore know your child would be in the pool, at a 160 score...

We and many others love our teacher but there were some class changes- NNAT scores were not on her radar. After teacher talked about DS and referring- we brought up the NNAT scores. Teacher was floored at the score but then kept saying DS was gifted.

You have nothing to worry about being in the pool with that NNAT score. I do think its strange a teacher is talking about doing a referral in first grade when you already knew your child would be in the pool with that score.

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Anonymous wrote:DS has been in pull outs and identified since preK- NNAT score was 160- cogat 129. Teacher already said she'd submit him regardless of scores (unprompted). I guess I am puzzled since these scores are different- DS is over 2 grades ahead in LA but that was the lowest score for Cogat. I did read now that cogat testing is read and is group based - meanwhile NNAT is timed. DS can wander a bit and he focuses on things so much that we have to snap him back (NOT ADHD). Based on feedback, cogat would have been better if DS could have gone on his own (not read- group timing). Anyway, has anyone else had this scenario and please share what happened. Thanks.

"Teacher" doesn't submit him.

A teacher can refer, but this is extremely rare. A teacher can also proactively suggest that the parents refer, which is more common.

PP here with DS, teacher was clear that she would refer. Didn't care about scores nor knew about them but said AAP was a place where DS with creative critical thinking would thrive. She made it clear that if DS did not make it in pool, she would refer and for us to read about AAP.

Preempting other questions- DS is our eldest so we don't have the lingo down but his teacher did very clearly say she would refer/submit DS and she wanted us to read about AAP . Was very direct- teacher led the whole conference and had her agenda- one very clearly was telling us about AAP and her position.

Sorry, this makes no sense. The first grade teacher wouldn't do the referral (not recent information) and the second grade teacher would have knowledge of the NNAT results and therefore know your child would be in the pool, at a 160 score...

We and many others love our teacher but there were some class changes- NNAT scores were not on her radar. After teacher talked about DS and referring- we brought up the NNAT scores. Teacher was floored at the score but then kept saying DS was gifted.

I have never heard of a classroom teacher saying a child is gifted in a setting like this. If your child has a 160 on the NNAT, however the discussion is moot and he is already in the pool of considers children.

I have. Happened with my kid. Despite all the gaming of worried parents who fear their kid won't make the cut and go out of their way to make their kid appear to-- sometimes giftedness is that obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:...Why are you such a skeptic on these postings? BTW, I have friends same school age level kids that pick DS as aap. I posted since the cogat test scores were great but NNAT at 160 was the clincher. I am hoping others with similar situations can post / share.

lemme guess - you're new here

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Anonymous wrote:DS has been in pull outs and identified since preK- NNAT score was 160- cogat 129. Teacher already said she'd submit him regardless of scores (unprompted). I guess I am puzzled since these scores are different- DS is over 2 grades ahead in LA but that was the lowest score for Cogat. I did read now that cogat testing is read and is group based - meanwhile NNAT is timed. DS can wander a bit and he focuses on things so much that we have to snap him back (NOT ADHD). Based on feedback, cogat would have been better if DS could have gone on his own (not read- group timing). Anyway, has anyone else had this scenario and please share what happened. Thanks.

What are his special needs? Only kids with special needs have cognitively testing and could possibly have "pullouts" in FCPS preschool.