2014-AAP - In-pool / FxAt Results

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DS has been in pull outs and identified since preK- NNAT score was 160- cogat 129. Teacher already said she'd submit him regardless of scores (unprompted). I guess I am puzzled since these scores are different- DS is over 2 grades ahead in LA but that was the lowest score for Cogat. I did read now that cogat testing is read and is group based - meanwhile NNAT is timed. DS can wander a bit and he focuses on things so much that we have to snap him back (NOT ADHD). Based on feedback, cogat would have been better if DS could have gone on his own (not read- group timing). Anyway, has anyone else had this scenario and please share what happened. Thanks.

Almost the exact same scores for DC who has been in AAP for 3 years. Took DC for WISC and turns out he is profoundly gifted with a crazy high processing speed. Tests where they have to wait to answer, like the cogat, are a problem because he gets too bored between questions and focuses on other things. Sounds like what you are noticing in your DC. FWIW, DC is consistently the top of class and the whole program moves slow for him. Reads 3 years ahead and is 2 years ahead in math. So, I wouldn't worry too much about the cogat score, especially since the teacher is supportive of him and that will help with the GBRS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS principal here: we received the FxAT individual scores yesterday. They will be picked up for US mail on Monday morning. I imagine that if your school didn't send them in folders today, they will also be sending them out Monday morning.

When did the schools kow about the "in pool" designations? What date? Thx!

No ma'am, I'm not sharing that info. The board will blow up.

Just asked b/c teacher said 9 days ago she was sure my kid's results would put her in the pool and she thought she'd be we'll suited for AAP. I was wondering if the teacher already knew she was in the pool when she said that.

Why are you hounding the teacher about AAP?

[Anonymous]

Not sure where your children go to school but my none of my 2nd grader's teachers (k, 1st or 2nd) brought up AAP discussion with us during conferences or otherwise.

[Anonymous]

I am surprised to hear so many teachers in FCPS talking about AAP on these boards-at center achool where the teachers NEVER talk about it with parents or at most stay very neutral and noncommittal-older child in AAP and second grader in pool currently. We never knew much about older child's chances until meeting with AART, and saw high GBRS-teachers kept pretty mum!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure where your children go to school but my none of my 2nd grader's teachers (k, 1st or 2nd) brought up AAP discussion with us during conferences or otherwise.

Same here, including with the future AAP kid who required one-on-one pullouts in kindergarten. It was almost a don't ask/don't tell situation, which was understandable to me.

[Anonymous]

PP here-I personally find it a bit annoying the teachers don't say anything, esp at Parent-Teacher conferences in second grade, particularly if it is clear DC will be in pool based on a high NNAT score-but I guess so many parents have muddied the waters over the years that they are carefully instructed not to say anything anymore. Oh well-at least we still have option of meeting with AART and reading GBRS with commentary in March/April to get a better idea of if that acceptance letter in late April is likely!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DS has been in pull outs and identified since preK- NNAT score was 160- cogat 129. Teacher already said she'd submit him regardless of scores (unprompted). I guess I am puzzled since these scores are different- DS is over 2 grades ahead in LA but that was the lowest score for Cogat. I did read now that cogat testing is read and is group based - meanwhile NNAT is timed. DS can wander a bit and he focuses on things so much that we have to snap him back (NOT ADHD). Based on feedback, cogat would have been better if DS could have gone on his own (not read- group timing). Anyway, has anyone else had this scenario and please share what happened. Thanks.

Almost the exact same scores for DC who has been in AAP for 3 years. Took DC for WISC and turns out he is profoundly gifted with a crazy high processing speed. Tests where they have to wait to answer, like the cogat, are a problem because he gets too bored between questions and focuses on other things. Sounds like what you are noticing in your DC. FWIW, DC is consistently the top of class and the whole program moves slow for him. Reads 3 years ahead and is 2 years ahead in math. So, I wouldn't worry too much about the cogat score, especially since the teacher is supportive of him and that will help with the GBRS.

Thanks- I can completely see this. I appreciate your sharing your DC's situation - (as well as the other answers and sharing information). Where did you get the WISC done (any recommendations)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure where your children go to school but my none of my 2nd grader's teachers (k, 1st or 2nd) brought up AAP discussion with us during conferences or otherwise.

All three teachers brought it up unprompted from me in all teachers conferences.

Kindergarten teacher said something along the lines of "I can't wait to see child's scores when they test next year. You need to research AAP because I think the child will end up there."

1st grade teacher said something along the lines of "Kid thinks so outside the box and is at a higher level than all the other kids in the class. AAP will be a good place down the road for child."

2nd grade teacher was the most guarded. That teachers words were about how the child is well prepared for AAP and about how the child's thought process is higher order than they usually see in second grade.

Scores on both tests are shy of the cut off, mid 90%.

We did not bring it up because we have another child in AAP who was a clear acceptance, upper 99s, and we did not see the younger child learning in the same way or at the same speed at the older child. The teachers are seeing something at school that is not the same as what we see at home or what the test scores necessarily show, but they see the child in different situations as us.

We may or may not refer, even with the teachers recs. We like our base school and the kid is thriving there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS principal here: we received the FxAT individual scores yesterday. They will be picked up for US mail on Monday morning. I imagine that if your school didn't send them in folders today, they will also be sending them out Monday morning.

When did the schools kow about the "in pool" designations? What date? Thx!

No ma'am, I'm not sharing that info. The board will blow up.

Just asked b/c teacher said 9 days ago she was sure my kid's results would put her in the pool and she thought she'd be we'll suited for AAP. I was wondering if the teacher already knew she was in the pool when she said that.

Why are you hounding the teacher about AAP?

"Hounded"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure where your children go to school but my none of my 2nd grader's teachers (k, 1st or 2nd) brought up AAP discussion with us during conferences or otherwise.

All three teachers brought it up unprompted from me in all teachers conferences.

Kindergarten teacher said something along the lines of "I can't wait to see child's scores when they test next year. You need to research AAP because I think the child will end up there."

1st grade teacher said something along the lines of "Kid thinks so outside the box and is at a higher level than all the other kids in the class. AAP will be a good place down the road for child."

2nd grade teacher was the most guarded. That teachers words were about how the child is well prepared for AAP and about how the child's thought process is higher order than they usually see in second grade.

Scores on both tests are shy of the cut off, mid 90%.

We did not bring it up because we have another child in AAP who was a clear acceptance, upper 99s, and we did not see the younger child learning in the same way or at the same speed at the older child. The teachers are seeing something at school that is not the same as what we see at home or what the test scores necessarily show, but they see the child in different situations as us.

We may or may not refer, even with the teachers recs. We like our base school and the kid is thriving there.

Mid 90s is far from "just shy" of the cut off. I think second grade teacher is the most influential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP here-I personally find it a bit annoying the teachers don't say anything, esp at Parent-Teacher conferences in second grade, particularly if it is clear DC will be in pool based on a high NNAT score-but I guess so many parents have muddied the waters over the years that they are carefully instructed not to say anything anymore. Oh well-at least we still have option of meeting with AART and reading GBRS with commentary in March/April to get a better idea of if that acceptance letter in late April is likely!

Please don't waste the AART's time. S/he is supposed to be spending time working with and for students, not babysitting nosy nancies.

[Anonymous]

at 15:15 comment - please disregard, the AART are a resource to you as an advocate to your child
and i would be highly surprised if they are overly resourced that they can't meet w. you

[Anonymous]

Our AART, who divides her time between two schools, was very helpful to me when I was working on a referral. I had to adapt to her schedule, of course, but that was fine. I never got the impression I was wasting her time.

[Anonymous]

Question basically is there no difference being in pool or parent reference?

What's the advantage of being in pool?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question basically is there no difference being in pool or parent reference?

What's the advantage of being in pool?

The obvious.

Your child has scores in the upper 97% of Fairfax County, which translates into a very high percentage nationally.