how many of us did not see close MAGA family members this holiday season?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

We are told all the time by leftists that tech people deserve to lose their jobs to H1Bs, and that service jobs should be done by the undocumented

Really? Please feel free to link to those exact statements.

All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

We have e-verify. What more is needed for businesses to be able to check to see if employees can legally work here?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why the outward hatred, racism and misogyny coming from MAGA should be tolerated? I don’t get why people are blaming Dems for not tolerating this hate group? No one here has said they went no contact with a relative for voting republican. We’re talking about MAGA relatives who don’t follow the rules of not discussing politics, the ones who say hurtful things to us about our own friends and family, outwardly celebrating their suffering and “owning the libs”. Why are we expected to tolerate this?

You don’t need to tolerate hate. You need to recognize the hate is coming from both sides. The vile coming from the left about Palestinians Americans in Dearborn who were marginalized by the DNC should not be tolerated. The crap spewed at rural people and people without a bunch of letters after their names is disgusting. Plenty of them support Dems, but broad strokes are used to disparage them. There is so much profiling, it is disgusting and disturbing.

I am ASHAMED to have voted Dem. No, I did not vote for Trump, but I’m smart enough to recognize that hate isn’t just something that is unique to MAGA.

We’ll over throw the tsar so we can eventually have a Stahlin. Woo-hoo. /s

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why the outward hatred, racism and misogyny coming from MAGA should be tolerated? I don’t get why people are blaming Dems for not tolerating this hate group? No one here has said they went no contact with a relative for voting republican. We’re talking about MAGA relatives who don’t follow the rules of not discussing politics, the ones who say hurtful things to us about our own friends and family, outwardly celebrating their suffering and “owning the libs”. Why are we expected to tolerate this?

You don’t need to tolerate hate. You need to recognize the hate is coming from both sides. The vile coming from the left about Palestinians Americans in Dearborn who were marginalized by the DNC should not be tolerated. The crap spewed at rural people and people without a bunch of letters after their names is disgusting. Plenty of them support Dems, but broad strokes are used to disparage them. There is so much profiling, it is disgusting and disturbing.

I am ASHAMED to have voted Dem. No, I did not vote for Trump, but I’m smart enough to recognize that hate isn’t just something that is unique to MAGA.

We’ll over throw the tsar so we can eventually have a Stahlin. Woo-hoo. /s

As awful and dysfunctional as the modern day Dem Party is, they still hold moral high ground over the GOP during the Trump era. This is indisputable fact.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

NP. You are a truly awful person, but your kids will do the same to you when you are elderly.

I’m not remotely MAGA either, just not in the blue cult like you are.

There is not "blue cult"

Look up the word cult in the dictionary. Trump supporters who did trump trains and trump boats and trump on their houses and cars and use plastic surgury to deform themselves all in the name of "owning the libs" now that is a cult. Idolization of don the con criminal pedo dicator rapist means you are in a cult!!

Of course there is a blue cult. And you are obviously in it. Open your eyes.

Also, I voted for Harris but I want nothing to do with the blue cult wing of the Democrats.

+100

My brother brother barely leaves his home because he’s afraid of being swept up by Trump something something. He printed posters for the protests. My mom blames every bad thing in her life on Trump. They are completely debilitated. Over Christmas the longest they went without talking about Trump was 10 minutes. It is over the top.

I cannot wait for the black and white thinking to be over in this country.

Nobody should ever have to apologize for calling out the bullying, the egregious, hubris behavior that Trump and all his lackeys, supporters display on regular basis. When the Rs can actually start electing serious people willing to compromise, willing to actually do the work they were elected to do, then maybe we can get to some semblance of what you describe.

No one in the family supports Trump, but Trump occupied almost every conversation.

There is a diagnoses for that.

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Anonymous wrote:Just a friendly reminder that you can disown your racist uncle, but he will never disown you.

And you are genetically closely related.

How do you personally know what someone's racist uncle will do when confronted with the fact that his grand-nephew was having a child with a black immigrant woman

Because one racist uncle and two racists aunts surely did do exactly that ... immediately blocked us all on FB apparently before their neighbors and church friends could find out

PP here. I'm truly sorry about your family and your racist relatives. Very tough to deal with such folks.

And how are you dealing with them in your family?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

I have a mentally ill relative who will say nasty, unhinged things like that. I consider it the illness speaking, and use the gray rock technique. As I don’t respond with the desired attention, that behavior doesn’t happen often to me or my young adult kids any more, as my kids have also learned to gray rock.

I did not throw a tantrum myself and cut them off.

In this case though, some of these elderly MAGA parents like mine are 100% cognizant and understand exactly what they’re saying. They’ve wanted this for years.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why the outward hatred, racism and misogyny coming from MAGA should be tolerated? I don’t get why people are blaming Dems for not tolerating this hate group? No one here has said they went no contact with a relative for voting republican. We’re talking about MAGA relatives who don’t follow the rules of not discussing politics, the ones who say hurtful things to us about our own friends and family, outwardly celebrating their suffering and “owning the libs”. Why are we expected to tolerate this?

You don’t need to tolerate hate. You need to recognize the hate is coming from both sides. The vile coming from the left about Palestinians Americans in Dearborn who were marginalized by the DNC should not be tolerated. The crap spewed at rural people and people without a bunch of letters after their names is disgusting. Plenty of them support Dems, but broad strokes are used to disparage them. There is so much profiling, it is disgusting and disturbing.

I am ASHAMED to have voted Dem. No, I did not vote for Trump, but I’m smart enough to recognize that hate isn’t just something that is unique to MAGA.

We’ll over throw the tsar so we can eventually have a Stahlin. Woo-hoo. /s

Just look at what the potus (supposed leader of the country) and leader of his party tweets on a regular basis. Full
of hate and fear mongering. We aren’t talking about your cranky neighbor who happens to be a D.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

We are told all the time by leftists that tech people deserve to lose their jobs to H1Bs, and that service jobs should be done by the undocumented

Really? Please feel free to link to those exact statements.

All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

What?!?! Trump started awful rumors about Haitians in Ohio during the election. As a result, bomb threats were made to schools in that area. This is just one of many horrid examples.

Wake up.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

We are told all the time by leftists that tech people deserve to lose their jobs to H1Bs, and that service jobs should be done by the undocumented

Really? Please feel free to link to those exact statements.

All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

What?!?! Trump started awful rumors about Haitians in Ohio during the election. As a result, bomb threats were made to schools in that area. This is just one of many horrid examples.

Wake up.

Trump didn't start that rumor but like the gullible elderly twit he is, he believed it and spread it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why the outward hatred, racism and misogyny coming from MAGA should be tolerated? I don’t get why people are blaming Dems for not tolerating this hate group? No one here has said they went no contact with a relative for voting republican. We’re talking about MAGA relatives who don’t follow the rules of not discussing politics, the ones who say hurtful things to us about our own friends and family, outwardly celebrating their suffering and “owning the libs”. Why are we expected to tolerate this?

You don’t need to tolerate hate. You need to recognize the hate is coming from both sides. The vile coming from the left about Palestinians Americans in Dearborn who were marginalized by the DNC should not be tolerated. The crap spewed at rural people and people without a bunch of letters after their names is disgusting. Plenty of them support Dems, but broad strokes are used to disparage them. There is so much profiling, it is disgusting and disturbing.

I am ASHAMED to have voted Dem. No, I did not vote for Trump, but I’m smart enough to recognize that hate isn’t just something that is unique to MAGA.

We’ll over throw the tsar so we can eventually have a Stahlin. Woo-hoo. /s

Just look at what the potus (supposed leader of the country) and leader of his party tweets on a regular basis. Full
of hate and fear mongering. We aren’t talking about your cranky neighbor who happens to be a D.

It isn’t just me neighbor. That is the problem. Look at the fora on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a friendly reminder that you can disown your racist uncle, but he will never disown you.

And you are genetically closely related.

How do you personally know what someone's racist uncle will do when confronted with the fact that his grand-nephew was having a child with a black immigrant woman

Because one racist uncle and two racists aunts surely did do exactly that ... immediately blocked us all on FB apparently before their neighbors and church friends could find out

PP here. I'm truly sorry about your family and your racist relatives. Very tough to deal with such folks.

And how are you dealing with them in your family?

PP here. Don't have anyone like that, to be honest. We're all teachers, nurses, social workers, doctors, ministers, or military. Some are conservative but not Trump voters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

NP. You are a truly awful person, but your kids will do the same to you when you are elderly.

I’m not remotely MAGA either, just not in the blue cult like you are.

There is no blue cult. If there were, there would be biden hats, biden signs and the like. We never saw any of that.

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People who don’t see their own parents because of politics are absolutely making a mistake.

So you cut your elderly parents off at Christmas because they vote in a way you don’t like? How is that sane? Their votes aren’t your business.

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All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

So now you want people to carry "papers?"

That is a Nazi/communist/Authoritarian thing.

History matters.