how many of us did not see close MAGA family members this holiday season?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

I have a mentally ill relative who will say nasty, unhinged things like that. I consider it the illness speaking, and use the gray rock technique. As I don’t respond with the desired attention, that behavior doesn’t happen often to me or my young adult kids any more, as my kids have also learned to gray rock.

I did not throw a tantrum myself and cut them off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a friendly reminder that you can disown your racist uncle, but he will never disown you.

And you are genetically closely related.

How do you personally know what someone's racist uncle will do when confronted with the fact that his grand-nephew was having a child with a black immigrant woman

Because one racist uncle and two racists aunts surely did do exactly that ... immediately blocked us all on FB apparently before their neighbors and church friends could find out

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

NP. You are a truly awful person, but your kids will do the same to you when you are elderly.

I’m not remotely MAGA either, just not in the blue cult like you are.

There is not "blue cult"

Look up the word cult in the dictionary. Trump supporters who did trump trains and trump boats and trump on their houses and cars and use plastic surgury to deform themselves all in the name of "owning the libs" now that is a cult. Idolization of don the con criminal pedo dicator rapist means you are in a cult!!

Of course there is a blue cult. And you are obviously in it. Open your eyes.

Also, I voted for Harris but I want nothing to do with the blue cult wing of the Democrats.

Agree! Especially about the PP. so deep into the cult, she/he can’t even see it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

NP. You are a truly awful person, but your kids will do the same to you when you are elderly.

I’m not remotely MAGA either, just not in the blue cult like you are.

There is not "blue cult"

Look up the word cult in the dictionary. Trump supporters who did trump trains and trump boats and trump on their houses and cars and use plastic surgury to deform themselves all in the name of "owning the libs" now that is a cult. Idolization of don the con criminal pedo dicator rapist means you are in a cult!!

Of course there is a blue cult. And you are obviously in it. Open your eyes.

Also, I voted for Harris but I want nothing to do with the blue cult wing of the Democrats.

+100

My brother brother barely leaves his home because he’s afraid of being swept up by Trump something something. He printed posters for the protests. My mom blames every bad thing in her life on Trump. They are completely debilitated. Over Christmas the longest they went without talking about Trump was 10 minutes. It is over the top.

I cannot wait for the black and white thinking to be over in this country.

Nobody should ever have to apologize for calling out the bullying, the egregious, hubris behavior that Trump and all his lackeys, supporters display on regular basis. When the Rs can actually start electing serious people willing to compromise, willing to actually do the work they were elected to do, then maybe we can get to some semblance of what you describe.

No one in the family supports Trump, but Trump occupied almost every conversation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a friendly reminder that you can disown your racist uncle, but he will never disown you.

And you are genetically closely related.

How do you personally know what someone's racist uncle will do when confronted with the fact that his grand-nephew was having a child with a black immigrant woman

Because one racist uncle and two racists aunts surely did do exactly that ... immediately blocked us all on FB apparently before their neighbors and church friends could find out

PP here. I'm truly sorry about your family and your racist relatives. Very tough to deal with such folks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

NP. You are a truly awful person, but your kids will do the same to you when you are elderly.

I’m not remotely MAGA either, just not in the blue cult like you are.

There is not "blue cult"

Look up the word cult in the dictionary. Trump supporters who did trump trains and trump boats and trump on their houses and cars and use plastic surgury to deform themselves all in the name of "owning the libs" now that is a cult. Idolization of don the con criminal pedo dicator rapist means you are in a cult!!

Of course there is a blue cult. And you are obviously in it. Open your eyes.

Also, I voted for Harris but I want nothing to do with the blue cult wing of the Democrats.

+100

My brother brother barely leaves his home because he’s afraid of being swept up by Trump something something. He printed posters for the protests. My mom blames every bad thing in her life on Trump. They are completely debilitated. Over Christmas the longest they went without talking about Trump was 10 minutes. It is over the top.

I cannot wait for the black and white thinking to be over in this country.

I have a friend, thankfully not a relative, whose ravings about Trump have become so unhinged that I worry she has actually become schizophrenic. Her whole family is struggling to deal with her. None of them voted for Trump but she has become quite literally insane in her obsession with Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

I have a mentally ill relative who will say nasty, unhinged things like that. I consider it the illness speaking, and use the gray rock technique. As I don’t respond with the desired attention, that behavior doesn’t happen often to me or my young adult kids any more, as my kids have also learned to gray rock.

I did not throw a tantrum myself and cut them off.

They're not mentally ill.

Apples and oranges.

[Anonymous]

Can someone please explain why the outward hatred, racism and misogyny coming from MAGA should be tolerated? I don’t get why people are blaming Dems for not tolerating this hate group? No one here has said they went no contact with a relative for voting republican. We’re talking about MAGA relatives who don’t follow the rules of not discussing politics, the ones who say hurtful things to us about our own friends and family, outwardly celebrating their suffering and “owning the libs”. Why are we expected to tolerate this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a friendly reminder that you can disown your racist uncle, but he will never disown you.

And you are genetically closely related.

How do you personally know what someone's racist uncle will do when confronted with the fact that his grand-nephew was having a child with a black immigrant woman

Because one racist uncle and two racists aunts surely did do exactly that ... immediately blocked us all on FB apparently before their neighbors and church friends could find out

PP here. I'm truly sorry about your family and your racist relatives. Very tough to deal with such folks.

Thank you, I truly appreciate that, this board can be weird but this was very kind

It makes it easier to say "good bye" when they do it first

It got weirder when my cousins (50s and 60s) whom I have no memory of ever seeing in person contacted my son (because he's on the social media things) and offered to bring them to Jesus and make everything OK

But they can't even get inside the US and I'm grateful they aren't even remotely interested in my USA Jesus family's nonsense

And they aren't even having a baby, like that was just a fable that went around, like someone with the "family name" was going to be this that and this (but mostly "that") and not red white and blue and wrapped in a flag with a side arm or something

Like I'm not going to be pursuing relationships with those religious racist maniacs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why the outward hatred, racism and misogyny coming from MAGA should be tolerated? I don’t get why people are blaming Dems for not tolerating this hate group? No one here has said they went no contact with a relative for voting republican. We’re talking about MAGA relatives who don’t follow the rules of not discussing politics, the ones who say hurtful things to us about our own friends and family, outwardly celebrating their suffering and “owning the libs”. Why are we expected to tolerate this?

Can you give us some names of these awful people?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

We are told all the time by leftists that tech people deserve to lose their jobs to H1Bs, and that service jobs should be done by the undocumented

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

We are told all the time by leftists that tech people deserve to lose their jobs to H1Bs, and that service jobs should be done by the undocumented

Really? Please feel free to link to those exact statements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why the outward hatred, racism and misogyny coming from MAGA should be tolerated? I don’t get why people are blaming Dems for not tolerating this hate group? No one here has said they went no contact with a relative for voting republican. We’re talking about MAGA relatives who don’t follow the rules of not discussing politics, the ones who say hurtful things to us about our own friends and family, outwardly celebrating their suffering and “owning the libs”. Why are we expected to tolerate this?

Can you give us some names of these awful people?

Read the news, Karen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

We are told all the time by leftists that tech people deserve to lose their jobs to H1Bs, and that service jobs should be done by the undocumented

Really? Please feel free to link to those exact statements.

All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.