Managers sre avoiding hiring recent college grads

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Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

Which is also why manufacturing will not be returning to the US. The workforce is incompetent.

This is not true. Millennials are the most educated generation in history. The idea that they lack math skills as an entire generation is laughable. American workers are perfectly capable. It is simply cheaper to hire foreigners, and they are more easily exploited.

Dude, we’re all talking about zoomers and gen z.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Yes education and parents failed them.

We now ask for what high school they went to and their transcript / grades.

We want a track record of hard work and success and accountability. Ones who top out with only pre algebra - and fakey grades - don’t get an interview. They simple cannot think through anything, nor learn.

If that is the case how are you employed?

I graduated public high school back in 1997, before NCLB and before common core. It was back when they still make suspensions, expulsions, flunked kids, had tracking grade 2 onward, had special ed pull outs, sent violent teens to juvenile delinquent centers, only had standardized tests every other year once, had text books, graded harshly, demanded real writing / spelling/ grammar, etc. There was honors track and AP tests and class rankings, weighted and unweighted. Never had tutors or summer school.

+1 except severe SPEd was not mainstreamed and there was no ESOL.

We had homework, science fairs and reading reports in ES. But that's deemed old school and not fair because it's all about equal outcomes not equal opportunities.

And spelling bees, book reports, library research papers, percentage grades, geography bees, no computer aptitude tests, and teachers had autonomy.

Massachusetts, who turned down common core Fed funds and standards, doesn’t have all these problems like other public county and townships who did, do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ I'm in western Fairfax county where we regularly have new arrivals mid school year in all grades with little or no education.

Yup. Same in sanctuary city MoCo and MCPS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need 3-6 month hiring probationary periods, like in europe white collar and blue collar jobs.

Cut the incompetent ones early on.

I’ve never worked for an organization that didn’t have at least a 90 day probationary period. Am I missing something?

Most don’t in the U.S., and certainly not Club Fed. You’re missing the big picture and actual data set view.

Club Fed mushroomed into a jobs program where 20% of the workers do 80% of the work.

Keep draining the swamp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

Which is also why manufacturing will not be returning to the US. The workforce is incompetent.

This is not true. Millennials are the most educated generation in history. The idea that they lack math skills as an entire generation is laughable. American workers are perfectly capable. It is simply cheaper to hire foreigners, and they are more easily exploited.

Dude, we’re all talking about zoomers and gen z.

Why do people keep doing this. READ WHAT IT WAS A RESPONSE TO BEFORE OPENING YOUR TRAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

It a very bad economy thanks to Trump. Companies are canceling internships for this summer, new IPOs are non existent, construction starts are close to zero, etc.

+1 it’s very rough out there for 2025 grads. Since, the felon botched Covid, he’s screwed these college seniors twice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We didn't fail in educating them. We failed in parenting them. These are cultural issues, stemming from a lack of active parenting and discipline. There's been a large shift in caring for the emotional needs of children a la gentle parenting, which is great, BUT people seem to have forgotten their biggest responsibility as a parent is preparing their child to become a proper contributing member of society. Basic skills like how to show up to your obligations on time. How to speak like a professional. How to dress in an office. How to solve a problem without having your hand held.

Our culture is changing to place less emphasis on these things, so perhaps that's why people are forgetting to teach their kids how to properly answer a phone or that you can't wear ripped jeans to a professional office.

Well, since us GenX are sadly more Trumpian than any other generation, and we’re also GenZ parents, I’d say a lot of of us truly are fu(king up. Never thought I’d be so disappointed in my generation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need 3-6 month hiring probationary periods, like in europe white collar and blue collar jobs.

Cut the incompetent ones early on.

I’ve never worked for an organization that didn’t have at least a 90 day probationary period. Am I missing something?

Most don’t in the U.S., and certainly not Club Fed. You’re missing the big picture and actual data set view.

Club Fed mushroomed into a jobs program where 20% of the workers do 80% of the work.

Keep draining the swamp.

How to detect an ignoramus who doesn't actually know how anything works: Uses terms like "drain the swamp" and "Club Fed" and "unelected bureaucrat" and "bloated government"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need 3-6 month hiring probationary periods, like in europe white collar and blue collar jobs.

Cut the incompetent ones early on.

I’ve never worked for an organization that didn’t have at least a 90 day probationary period. Am I missing something?

Most don’t in the U.S., and certainly not Club Fed. You’re missing the big picture and actual data set view.

Club Fed mushroomed into a jobs program where 20% of the workers do 80% of the work.

Keep draining the swamp.

That is much better vs the private section. 5% do all the work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need 3-6 month hiring probationary periods, like in europe white collar and blue collar jobs.

Cut the incompetent ones early on.

I’ve never worked for an organization that didn’t have at least a 90 day probationary period. Am I missing something?

Most don’t in the U.S., and certainly not Club Fed. You’re missing the big picture and actual data set view.

Club Fed mushroomed into a jobs program where 20% of the workers do 80% of the work.

Keep draining the swamp.

That is much better vs the private section. 5% do all the work.

Ansolute BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

Which is also why manufacturing will not be returning to the US. The workforce is incompetent.

This is not true. Millennials are the most educated generation in history. The idea that they lack math skills as an entire generation is laughable. American workers are perfectly capable. It is simply cheaper to hire foreigners, and they are more easily exploited.

Dude, we’re all talking about zoomers and gen z.

Why do people keep doing this. READ WHAT IT WAS A RESPONSE TO BEFORE OPENING YOUR TRAP.

Are you getting your panties in a twist bc you claim Millennials are the “most educated?!”

Yeah, their Gender Studies and Racism studies majors don’t have much to do with their math skills or really any skills. Sorry. Try again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need 3-6 month hiring probationary periods, like in europe white collar and blue collar jobs.

Cut the incompetent ones early on.

I’ve never worked for an organization that didn’t have at least a 90 day probationary period. Am I missing something?

Most don’t in the U.S., and certainly not Club Fed. You’re missing the big picture and actual data set view.

Club Fed mushroomed into a jobs program where 20% of the workers do 80% of the work.

Keep draining the swamp.

That is much better vs the private section. 5% do all the work.

Arrogant CEOs like Elon think they are the ones who do all the work. Elon couldn't design or code his way out of a soggy paper bag.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We didn't fail in educating them. We failed in parenting them. These are cultural issues, stemming from a lack of active parenting and discipline. There's been a large shift in caring for the emotional needs of children a la gentle parenting, which is great, BUT people seem to have forgotten their biggest responsibility as a parent is preparing their child to become a proper contributing member of society. Basic skills like how to show up to your obligations on time. How to speak like a professional. How to dress in an office. How to solve a problem without having your hand held.

Our culture is changing to place less emphasis on these things, so perhaps that's why people are forgetting to teach their kids how to properly answer a phone or that you can't wear ripped jeans to a professional office.

Well, since us GenX are sadly more Trumpian than any other generation, and we’re also GenZ parents, I’d say a lot of of us truly are fu(king up. Never thought I’d be so disappointed in my generation.

I think that’s true of older GenX.

People, at least men, are usually at their most conservative when they are aged 55-65. This is when their social and financial responsibilities peak and they are at the height of their power, before being humbled by the indignities of old age.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this in the political forum?

Colleges are dominated by Democrats. They have f’d up higher ed just like they ruined cities, k-12 schools, the military, sports, & everything else they touch.

Translation: “Things were so much better when higher education, the military and sports were only for white males”

First, I totally agree that the prejudiced exclusivity of the past was wrong and should never have been allowed. College entrance should be open to all 💯.

Still, the capitalism of the markets has taken that and created a college for everyone to the point that some of these degrees are no longer certificates of education. They really are participation trophies. I'd be interested to know if the same holds for top 20 schools as for lower tier.

Because they treat the students and their overinvolved parents like customers rather than students. When someone is paying you 10s of thousands per year for a product, the institution (now business) is incentivized to keep the customer happy. So when little Johnny skips his lectures "because of his mental health" and fails his final, he and his parents can throw a fit and get the school to let him retake it. Little Johnny has done this his entire educational career, and expects it to continue in the workforce. Deadlines are mere suggestions, he should get endless second chances, and his comfort is paramount.

I don’t know about this. I graduated from a good, not non-elite, state school ten years ago and don’t remember all of this pampering. It was very sink-or-swim with massive wash-out rates. Maybe things have changed since then, of maybe they are different at private LACs where students pay more to attend.

[Anonymous]

The percentage of college graduates who use their minds as receptacles instead of instruments has plummeted precipitously.

This trend does not bode well for anyone except leaders who prefer a populace that can be counted on to swallow slogans uncritically.

That way, they won’t have to make tough calls and actually govern.