The amount of people living subsidized by their parents is astounding

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you are first generation rich, (we are), and hang with other families/people in your bracket, you quickly realize that family subsidization is the NORM for upper class families, not an outlier.

Criticizing (or even questioning it) is pretty gauche. Annual gifting/school tuition/down payments/ etc. is basically table stakes for most families.

It only gets weird if things are unevenly allocated...or someone's rehab money cuts into another kid's budget for a night nanny or vacation budget.
It’s the norm in most families. Just because millionaires have more to give doesn’t mean other families aren’t also helping their children into adulthood.


Really don't think it's the norm for non rich people...
Anonymous
My parents are millionaires but don't help the way other UMC parents do. My parents grew up poor and just aren't part of that culture. They have helped my siblings out with critical issues (drug rehab, divorce costs, helping to pay for housing post-divorce) but because I'm really functional, they've never given us much beyond the occasional cash gift of a few thousand near a major life event (grad school graduation, birth of a child).

I don't resent this, it's just how my family is. I worked very hard in school and do fine financially as does my husband. We are not struggling. We also are not living it up -- we budget pretty aggressively and prioritize saving over consumption to a great degree.

But I do sometimes find it hard to navigate the world socially because of how different everyone's circumstance is. A lot of our friends will think nothing of spending 300-400 on a date night. I don't think we've ever done that, for instance, and I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it. We budget a lot around kids too -- when we go out with other families, often they'll just spend whatever to keep their kids occupied and happy. Whereas we might balk at throwing money at our kids and instead decide "eh, they are cranky, time to head home" or go ahead and explain that no, we aren't buying that toy because they have something similar at home or it's just junk and we don't believe in spending money on junk. I think sometimes our friends feel embarrassed for spending money more freely than we do, and we sometimes feel like an inconvenience because we just can't.

It's not about jealousy or envy, or resentment. It's just that I can be hard to navigate relationships with people when you have very different resources, especially for socializing and entertainment and kid-related expenses.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you are first generation rich, (we are), and hang with other families/people in your bracket, you quickly realize that family subsidization is the NORM for upper class families, not an outlier.

Criticizing (or even questioning it) is pretty gauche. Annual gifting/school tuition/down payments/ etc. is basically table stakes for most families.

It only gets weird if things are unevenly allocated...or someone's rehab money cuts into another kid's budget for a night nanny or vacation budget.
It’s the norm in most families. Just because millionaires have more to give doesn’t mean other families aren’t also helping their children into adulthood.


Millionaire isn't what it used to be. I don't think you should start giving away the farm until you have at least $5m. Old age can be expensive.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you are first generation rich, (we are), and hang with other families/people in your bracket, you quickly realize that family subsidization is the NORM for upper class families, not an outlier.

Criticizing (or even questioning it) is pretty gauche. Annual gifting/school tuition/down payments/ etc. is basically table stakes for most families.

It only gets weird if things are unevenly allocated...or someone's rehab money cuts into another kid's budget for a night nanny or vacation budget.
It’s the norm in most families. Just because millionaires have more to give doesn’t mean other families aren’t also helping their children into adulthood.


Really don't think it's the norm for non rich people...


About half of all parents:

47% of parents still financially support adult children, study finds. Here’s how much they spend.

In fact, 58% of parents said they have sacrificed their own financial security for the sake of their adult children, a jump from 37% of parents a year earlier, Savings.com also found.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/11/nearly-half-of-parents-financially-support-adult-children-study-shows.html

Anecdotally, the majority of families I’ve known have helped their kids and grandkids (and been generous with other loved ones) as best they could.
Anonymous
There's nothing wrong with helping your kids. My parents have helped me in small ways a few times in my life. They have helped my kids with college savings and I'm grateful for it.

I, in turn, intend to help both my kids and my grandkids. It's called generational wealth. Not having it is not a flex, nor is with-holding from future generations.
Anonymous
The whole concept of being subsidized by your parents is distasteful for a lot of people because it's at odds with the American notion (that we're hearing even more of these days) of meritocracy and hard work being the hallmarks of success. The reality is that so many people are already born on third base because of family money and/or don't have to work hard because their lifestyle is being subsidized by their parents.

It also contracts the idea that children should take care of their parents as they get older. It's a bit old-fashioned and varies by culture, but many people are raised with the expectation of having to take care of their own parents someday. When the roles are reversed, it doesn't seem right.

I also wonder how much generational differences come into play when it comes to acceptance (or not) of parent subsidies.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If you are first generation rich, (we are), and hang with other families/people in your bracket, you quickly realize that family subsidization is the NORM for upper class families, not an outlier.

Criticizing (or even questioning it) is pretty gauche. Annual gifting/school tuition/down payments/ etc. is basically table stakes for most families.

It only gets weird if things are unevenly allocated...or someone's rehab money cuts into another kid's budget for a night nanny or vacation budget.


Don't take it personally if people have a different view about subsidizing adult kids and how to handle generational wealth. Generational wealth can be a really powerful tool, no doubt. The weakest people I know are dependent on their parents, and the strongest people I know are self made and have had to deal with adversity. But it's not like there is necessarily a write or wrong answer.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you are first generation rich, (we are), and hang with other families/people in your bracket, you quickly realize that family subsidization is the NORM for upper class families, not an outlier.

Criticizing (or even questioning it) is pretty gauche. Annual gifting/school tuition/down payments/ etc. is basically table stakes for most families.

It only gets weird if things are unevenly allocated...or someone's rehab money cuts into another kid's budget for a night nanny or vacation budget.


Don't take it personally if people have a different view about subsidizing adult kids and how to handle generational wealth. Generational wealth can be a really powerful tool, no doubt. The weakest people I know are dependent on their parents, and the strongest people I know are self made and have had to deal with adversity. But it's not like there is necessarily a write or wrong answer.


Maybe they depend on their parents because they are 'weak' and the self-made and adversity overcomers are already strong which is why they are where they are.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, there is always one generation that works very, very hard and then they create the generational wealth for their children.

You should strive to be that generation and provide for your children and future generation. We are immigrants who came with $200 in this country. We lived a life of penury for several years and we worked very hard. Our children will get a leg-up in life from us. Their life will be easier than ours. Hopefully, they have imbibed good values from us and they will add to the generational wealth and they will also raise their kids well. Education and hard work are the keys.



"Education and hard work are the keys."

Other keys -- Luck, what family you were born into, family connections, nepotism. Some kids will never struggle.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just in the last 2 years we made 1m/year and my parents who make 80k/year on retirement have full medical benefits but have everything fully paid off want to pay for private school and I am ok with it because they don't have any other use for their money. If they end of running out of money i would help them. However their generation is very different than our's where they don't have any debts.


If you're making $2m per year and your letting your retired parents clocking $80k a year in retirement pay for your kids' private school education, you are a f4cking loser. Hope I'm crystal clear.


thanks, my parents have 10m in assets and i have loans and a house that has a mortgage balance of 50%. We are henry millennials that recently started getting this high income. either way sorry we are not all old genx/boomers like yourself. At least my boomer parents want to help.


Meh....$10M in assets or making $1M/yr is middle class on DCUM. Let me know when you start making real money.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Just in the last 2 years we made 1m/year and my parents who make 80k/year on retirement have full medical benefits but have everything fully paid off want to pay for private school and I am ok with it because they don't have any other use for their money. If they end of running out of money i would help them. However their generation is very different than our's where they don't have any debts.


1/m/yr? Is that from your job or investments or both?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm over 50 and have never met anyone like this. What kind of loser would accept money from parents/family? It's not that hard to just get a job and pay your bills in the US, assuming you didn't have kids before finishing college.


I’ve met about a dozen people in the past year or two who fit this profile, mostly in the Bethesda/Arlington area. Last guy lived in a $1.7M house on a single government income and had a country club membership. Mid 30’s with SAHM wife and kids who attended private.


There's lots of ways to make money. Not just from your "job" (where you pay the highest taxes by the way). There's inheritance, investments, rentals, etc.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My family has no money and I have nothing to fall back on if I lose everything. I have structured my life accordingly.

I think if your family has money, you can behave differently because you know they’ll support you if you ever encounter issues. This is true even if they aren’t explicitly gifting you cash each year.

When people have nice family homes to visit for the holidays, I am a little envious. Seems nice.


Yes it's definately easier to take risks with your career in that case. You can try a startup or do your own company, knowing you are supported.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you are first generation rich, (we are), and hang with other families/people in your bracket, you quickly realize that family subsidization is the NORM for upper class families, not an outlier.

Criticizing (or even questioning it) is pretty gauche. Annual gifting/school tuition/down payments/ etc. is basically table stakes for most families.

It only gets weird if things are unevenly allocated...or someone's rehab money cuts into another kid's budget for a night nanny or vacation budget.
It’s the norm in most families. Just because millionaires have more to give doesn’t mean other families aren’t also helping their children into adulthood.


Really don't think it's the norm for non rich people...


It’s normal for them to live at home well into adulthood and then live with and care for their poor parents until death.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't know that the rich need to be somehow penalized because they gave more. I certainly agree that you should pay your fare share but so many have this idea that if you're wealthy you're somehow a terrible person and less deserving than someone who isn't wealthy? I mean many folks who did get rich worked their ass off to be successful. Whether you did or not, I know really rich people who are the most gracious people and working class who are mean. Your worth does not influence your kindness, it really does not. It is often impacted by your fortune to experience less hardship in life so maybe you have less empathy but in my experience if you're nice, you're nice whether rich or poor.

The thing is - people have these preconceived notions that are not rooted in reality about many things and money is def top of the list. Not everyone who has it is an Ahole and not everyone who is working class actually deserves it. It's just money. Some people are lucky enough to earn it or they were committed enough to earn it but neither have to do with kindness. Same thing with not having money - it shouldn't define anyone - either way.

I hate listening to folks beat up people who have money like they all deserve terrible things to happen to them. You would never ever know my background because I work and I know what suffering is like. And I have not 1 but 2 trust funds from FIL and my parents. So what?


This 1000%. My partner worked their ass off for the success they have. They took risks (we grew up poor and had no family support). Have been lucky to have two sales/transactions with small companies. But in return you work long hours for lower pay (than at large company) and it took years for the payouts.
As far as good people, they are ceo, have not had a pay raise in 10 years, and actually took a 30% pay cut for last two. They take care of their team and give the raises and bonuses to them instead.
Also give up more options so the other employees can have more. 95% of ceos would not do that
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