UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded

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Anonymous wrote:A 4.0 GPA has become meaningless because of the obscene grade inflation, test retaking, and ridiculous bumps at public high schools. I laugh when someone balks at their 4.4 gpa child who scored 1400 on the SAT getting rejected at UVA or W&M. If you have a legitimate 4.0+ GPA, you'd be scoring above 1500.

My daughter OOS with a 4.75 and 13 APs considers UVA and UNC at Chapel Hill long shots based on they reserve so many seats for instate. If anything they are dumbing down their school by giving Legacy, Athletic and Instate preferences. If both UVA and UNC made it soley based on academics the school ratings would be at IVY league ratings overnight. We toured both for fun. But we know even though massive federal tax dollars support school it is reserved for instate and a few lucky out of state lotter winners.

And UVA I highly doubt I would let daughter go anyhow the tuition is SKY HIGH out of state.

UVA for the 2023-2024 academic year, the estimated cost of attendance for out-of-state students is around $80,000, which includes tuition, fees, room and board, and other expenses like books and travel. For incoming students OOS it will be much higher for 2025-2026 as costs went up. By graduation OOS will be $90K a year.

it's only like $15K-$20K cheaper for in state and that includes cost of flights etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps raise tuition for the three flagship to double for in state students vs. the lessor schools.

Now you’re really flailing. Those who get into the top schools shouldn’t be punished by having to pay more. How absurd.

They already do. Compare JMU tuition to UVA tuition.

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This is ridiculous. How on earth would there be enough space to double the size of any of these schools? Who wants to go to VT with 80,000 students? The entire ethos of W&M as the smallest public in the US would change with a doubling of the student body.

A better solution would be to improve the campuses of the next tier of schools so they grow in popularity.

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Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. How on earth would there be enough space to double the size of any of these schools? Who wants to go to VT with 80,000 students? The entire ethos of W&M as the smallest public in the US would change with a doubling of the student body.

A better solution would be to improve the campuses of the next tier of schools so they grow in popularity.

Improve them by siphoning funds away from UVA, W&M, Vtech? GMU's 200 million dollar endowment is insurmountable. With the # of students at VCU, GMU, JMU their endowments should be at least 1.5 billion. They are all far from that. Things are the way they are for a reason.

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Anonymous wrote:A 4.0 GPA has become meaningless because of the obscene grade inflation, test retaking, and ridiculous bumps at public high schools. I laugh when someone balks at their 4.4 gpa child who scored 1400 on the SAT getting rejected at UVA or W&M. If you have a legitimate 4.0+ GPA, you'd be scoring above 1500.

My daughter OOS with a 4.75 and 13 APs considers UVA and UNC at Chapel Hill long shots based on they reserve so many seats for instate. If anything they are dumbing down their school by giving Legacy, Athletic and Instate preferences. If both UVA and UNC made it soley based on academics the school ratings would be at IVY league ratings overnight

And just taking AP's is meaningless. What scores did she get on those 13 APs?

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Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. How on earth would there be enough space to double the size of any of these schools? Who wants to go to VT with 80,000 students? The entire ethos of W&M as the smallest public in the US would change with a doubling of the student body.

A better solution would be to improve the campuses of the next tier of schools so they grow in popularity.

No amount of campus improvement at most of these colleges is going to make anyone forget they're paying to attend a mediocre school in the middle of nowhere. Build a more selective school in NOVA.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A 4.0 GPA has become meaningless because of the obscene grade inflation, test retaking, and ridiculous bumps at public high schools. I laugh when someone balks at their 4.4 gpa child who scored 1400 on the SAT getting rejected at UVA or W&M. If you have a legitimate 4.0+ GPA, you'd be scoring above 1500.

My daughter OOS with a 4.75 and 13 APs considers UVA and UNC at Chapel Hill long shots based on they reserve so many seats for instate. If anything they are dumbing down their school by giving Legacy, Athletic and Instate preferences. If both UVA and UNC made it soley based on academics the school ratings would be at IVY league ratings overnight

And just taking AP's is meaningless. What scores did she get on those 13 APs?

NP. What are you talking about..."meaningless"? Are you an admissions officer?

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Go to Christopher Newport, VCU. Go to cc & transfer. Entitlement to get into a “good” school.

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You could expand capacity of UVA and improve the smaller schools by turning the smaller schools like UMW, Longwood, ODU into guaranteed feeder satellite schools.

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Anonymous wrote:You could expand capacity of UVA and improve the smaller schools by turning the smaller schools like UMW, Longwood, ODU into guaranteed feeder satellite schools.

Like Penn State's campuses. This could work.

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Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. How on earth would there be enough space to double the size of any of these schools? Who wants to go to VT with 80,000 students? The entire ethos of W&M as the smallest public in the US would change with a doubling of the student body.

A better solution would be to improve the campuses of the next tier of schools so they grow in popularity.

Improve them by siphoning funds away from UVA, W&M, Vtech? GMU's 200 million dollar endowment is insurmountable. With the # of students at VCU, GMU, JMU their endowments should be at least 1.5 billion. They are all far from that. Things are the way they are for a reason.

I'm pretty sure VCU endowment is well above that.

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Anonymous wrote:DC applied to all three of these schools last cycle and will be trying again. These three schools are getting more competitive and out of reach for everyday people. I think each of them should be split up into multiple different schools that each have less competitive admissions or they should each double in size. Not just a 10% increase or 2% increase every year or whatever thing like that. They need to start construction NOW to build at least 2x the housing, classrooms, etc. to accommodate double the number of students and all new students should be required to come from Virginia. These admissions practices have gone way too far. As soon as admission rates hit below 50% for in-state applicants there should be mandatory student body expansions

Double in size?. Geez VA Tech already has 50K students.

What? VT has 30,000 undergrads. Don’t know how many grad students, but those typically aren’t included in student totals.

+1
I actually laughed out loud at the PP's ridiculous assertion.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.

Agree with this and we are VA residents.

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Anonymous wrote:Go to Christopher Newport, VCU. Go to cc & transfer. Entitlement to get into a “good” school.

There will be a reckoning and a ground swell in support of free transferring between any and all VA colleges. Anyone to any campus anytime. No essays, no subjective factors. Anyone will be able to transfer into UVa, WM, from Cnu, Gmu, Odu, etc. No more exclusion by these schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Go to Christopher Newport, VCU. Go to cc & transfer. Entitlement to get into a “good” school.

There will be a reckoning and a ground swell in support of free transferring between any and all VA colleges. Anyone to any campus anytime. No essays, no subjective factors. Anyone will be able to transfer into UVa, WM, from Cnu, Gmu, Odu, etc. No more exclusion by these schools.

No there won't. Nobody is looking to transfer down, and UVA and W&M literally do not have the capacity space wise nor capacity for remedial catch-up to allow anyone to transfer. ODU accepts almost everyone.