UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia has a very good tier of schools like GMU, JMU, VCU under those three schools. They’re all very good.

You don’t seem to understand OP. They seem to think they are entitled to a certain level of prestige.

But they lose their prestige if they do what OP is proposing. Just send your kid to JMU OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC applied to all three of these schools last cycle and will be trying again. These three schools are getting more competitive and out of reach for everyday people. I think each of them should be split up into multiple different schools that each have less competitive admissions or they should each double in size. Not just a 10% increase or 2% increase every year or whatever thing like that. They need to start construction NOW to build at least 2x the housing, classrooms, etc. to accommodate double the number of students and all new students should be required to come from Virginia. These admissions practices have gone way too far. As soon as admission rates hit below 50% for in-state applicants there should be mandatory student body expansions

I think this is quite wrong. The state has lots of state school options. You can get into one. But there is always a top and a bottom. You do not help the bottom by eliminating the top. It works well with no changes. There also is no money and no desire to build anymore at any of the schools. There may come a day when this is needed but not now.

There is no problem here -- stop looking for a solution.

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Poster 9:11 here.

There is a growth plan for Tech. This won't help your kid but there is recognition expansion may be needed in certain cases.
https://www.facilities.vt.edu/planning-documents/campus-master-plan.html

There are also graduate and satellite campuses for other schools like GMU, which has a well-regarded campus in Korea and Tech has one in Northern Virginia.

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A 4.0 GPA has become meaningless because of the obscene grade inflation, test retaking, and ridiculous bumps at public high schools. I laugh when someone balks at their 4.4 gpa child who scored 1400 on the SAT getting rejected at UVA or W&M. If you have a legitimate 4.0+ GPA, you'd be scoring above 1500.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps raise tuition for the three flagship to double for in state students vs. the lessor schools.

Really? You want to reduce demand by pricing students out of the market? For a state school?

A few states price their flagship higher than the second tier schools and community colleges. For folks on financial aid it is meaningless. But keeps sharp elbowed rich folks looking at OOS options or paying fair share.

Why is University of Virginia and UNC at Chapel Hill so heavily subsidized for instate millionaires?

[Anonymous]

UVA had 15000 undergraduates in 2010.
UVA has 18000 undergraduates in 2024.

They’re growing, but they have limited space, as others have noted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

There is too much hierarchy. Alternatively, they could combine all of the universities (UVa, VTech, William and Mary, Gmu, Jmu, Cnu, Longwood) into one university and have a lottery for all who are accepted to decide who goes to which campus.

Maybe make it more like NC. UVA separate but then Virginia U - GMU campus, VAU - Longwood campus etc.

It doesn't matter what you call them, people will go to where the most prestige is. Look at MD and how it doesn't work well. VA people should be happy to have so much choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A 4.0 GPA has become meaningless because of the obscene grade inflation, test retaking, and ridiculous bumps at public high schools. I laugh when someone balks at their 4.4 gpa child who scored 1400 on the SAT getting rejected at UVA or W&M. If you have a legitimate 4.0+ GPA, you'd be scoring above 1500.

My daughter OOS with a 4.75 and 13 APs considers UVA and UNC at Chapel Hill long shots based on they reserve so many seats for instate. If anything they are dumbing down their school by giving Legacy, Athletic and Instate preferences. If both UVA and UNC made it soley based on academics the school ratings would be at IVY league ratings overnight

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A 4.0 GPA has become meaningless because of the obscene grade inflation, test retaking, and ridiculous bumps at public high schools. I laugh when someone balks at their 4.4 gpa child who scored 1400 on the SAT getting rejected at UVA or W&M. If you have a legitimate 4.0+ GPA, you'd be scoring above 1500.

My daughter OOS with a 4.75 and 13 APs considers UVA and UNC at Chapel Hill long shots based on they reserve so many seats for instate. If anything they are dumbing down their school by giving Legacy, Athletic and Instate preferences. If both UVA and UNC made it soley based on academics the school ratings would be at IVY league ratings overnight. We toured both for fun. But we know even though massive federal tax dollars support school it is reserved for instate and a few lucky out of state lotter winners.

And UVA I highly doubt I would let daughter go anyhow the tuition is SKY HIGH out of state.

UVA for the 2023-2024 academic year, the estimated cost of attendance for out-of-state students is around $80,000, which includes tuition, fees, room and board, and other expenses like books and travel. For incoming students OOS it will be much higher for 2025-2026 as costs went up. By graduation OOS will be $90K a year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC applied to all three of these schools last cycle and will be trying again. These three schools are getting more competitive and out of reach for everyday people. I think each of them should be split up into multiple different schools that each have less competitive admissions or they should each double in size. Not just a 10% increase or 2% increase every year or whatever thing like that. They need to start construction NOW to build at least 2x the housing, classrooms, etc. to accommodate double the number of students and all new students should be required to come from Virginia. These admissions practices have gone way too far. As soon as admission rates hit below 50% for in-state applicants there should be mandatory student body expansions

Double in size?. Geez VA Tech already has 50K students.

What? VT has 30,000 undergrads. Don’t know how many grad students, but those typically aren’t included in student totals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps raise tuition for the three flagship to double for in state students vs. the lessor schools.

Now you’re really flailing. Those who get into the top schools shouldn’t be punished by having to pay more. How absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

There is too much hierarchy. Alternatively, they could combine all of the universities (UVa, VTech, William and Mary, Gmu, Jmu, Cnu, Longwood) into one university and have a lottery for all who are accepted to decide who goes to which campus.

Maybe make it more like NC. UVA separate but then Virginia U - GMU campus, VAU - Longwood campus etc.

It doesn't matter what you call them, people will go to where the most prestige is. Look at MD and how it doesn't work well. VA people should be happy to have so much choice.

Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC applied to all three of these schools last cycle and will be trying again. These three schools are getting more competitive and out of reach for everyday people. I think each of them should be split up into multiple different schools that each have less competitive admissions or they should each double in size. Not just a 10% increase or 2% increase every year or whatever thing like that. They need to start construction NOW to build at least 2x the housing, classrooms, etc. to accommodate double the number of students and all new students should be required to come from Virginia. These admissions practices have gone way too far. As soon as admission rates hit below 50% for in-state applicants there should be mandatory student body expansions

This sounds like whining.....our state has FAR FAR fewer spots for a college equivalent to all UVA/VT/W&M combined.......and then Virginia has MORE beyond those. You should consider yourself lucky, not deserving of more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps raise tuition for the three flagship to double for in state students vs. the lessor schools.

Really? You want to reduce demand by pricing students out of the market? For a state school?

A few states price their flagship higher than the second tier schools and community colleges. For folks on financial aid it is meaningless. But keeps sharp elbowed rich folks looking at OOS options or paying fair share.

Why is University of Virginia and UNC at Chapel Hill so heavily subsidized for instate millionaires?

Double. They wanted to double tuition.

UVA tuition is already double JMU tuition

The out of state tuition at UVA is not even double the in state tuition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A 4.0 GPA has become meaningless because of the obscene grade inflation, test retaking, and ridiculous bumps at public high schools. I laugh when someone balks at their 4.4 gpa child who scored 1400 on the SAT getting rejected at UVA or W&M. If you have a legitimate 4.0+ GPA, you'd be scoring above 1500.

My daughter OOS with a 4.75 and 13 APs considers UVA and UNC at Chapel Hill long shots based on they reserve so many seats for instate. If anything they are dumbing down their school by giving Legacy, Athletic and Instate preferences. If both UVA and UNC made it soley based on academics the school ratings would be at IVY league ratings overnight

There is no legacy preference at UVA. 2/3rds of the admissions have to be in state.