Impact of McLean/Langley boundary change on McLean real estate choice

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Anonymous wrote:Herndon Middle has a capacity for 1176 students. They have 905 students currently.

Forestville has about 180 kids total between 6th and 5th grades. Even if the Great Falls parents do not choose private for MS, there is plenty of room at Herndon Middle.

And even more room at Herndon High School.

Don’t gaslight, honey. The school system always looks at program capacity not design capacity when calculating capacity.

Is gatehouse desperate enough for equity that they’ll start playing fast and loose with the numbers? That’d be corruption, plan and simple.

DP. Program capacities can be adjusted to align more closely with design capacity, especially at MS and HS.

At the expense of existing programs at the school. So your lust to soak great falls is great enough that you’d be willing to screw over the current kids at the school?

That’s telling.

It’s not always so draconian. Sometimes it’s just taking another look at how space is being used and doing things like reconfiguring existing spaces or getting rid of lockers that kids aren’t using. But let’s not pretend you’re the least bit worried about compromising existing programs at HMS, ok?

Let’s not pretend you’re actually doing anything noble or worthwhile by only caring about equity above all else.

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Anonymous wrote:We are trying to stay in the Langley pyramid only because we have a child at Cooper who wants to stay with her friends. We have already had quite a bit of disruption for this particular child and need to limit it going forward.

That said, does anyone have thoughts on when we might know the final decisions about potential changes in the pyramid? Are we looking at six months, a year, two years? I really have no idea.

It does seem to me like a logical change, albeit a sad one for many in the Langley community, would be to cut off the western part of Great Falls and Herndon or South Lakes. I personally think that is a likely outcome.

What I do not know is what will likely happen to McLean and the east side of the Langley boundary. For example, there are homes near downtown McLean that are closer to likely than McLean. Will all of these likely stay zoned to McLean?

To be clear, I am not interested in debating the merits of rezoning, and I know that nobody can predict the future. I’m just wondering if anyone with more knowledge about this particular area than me has any thoughts on what may be most likely to happen in the future.

I have significant thoughts and extensive knowledge of that area, but I would never share insight with someone who says that the change is logical.

If you think that the change is logical, good luck figuring it all out. In the meantime, stop trying to buy your way out of the situation.

You’re gross to want to insulate your child at the expense of your neighbors.

This is a weird response. Lots of kids want to stay at the same school.

That didn’t offend me, it’s the poster saying that the move is logical and then asking how she can avoid the consequences for her child.

what are you talking about?? anybody is free to buy a home anyplace they want, at any time, if they want to be in a certain school district. That is probably the #1 factor that families look at when choosing where to buy. I lived in Arlington for years, and then bought my current home in Great Falls because I wanted my kids to go to Langley. People will always make those type of choices, before, during, and after any boundary changes. if you find that gross or offensive, you have issues.

Sure, but again, she just seems preoccupied with her own delicate child and her own situation, while being fine with throwing her daughter’s friends under the equity bus. Go back and read her original question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Herndon Middle has a capacity for 1176 students. They have 905 students currently.

Forestville has about 180 kids total between 6th and 5th grades. Even if the Great Falls parents do not choose private for MS, there is plenty of room at Herndon Middle.

And even more room at Herndon High School.

Don’t gaslight, honey. The school system always looks at program capacity not design capacity when calculating capacity.

Is gatehouse desperate enough for equity that they’ll start playing fast and loose with the numbers? That’d be corruption, plan and simple.

DP. Program capacities can be adjusted to align more closely with design capacity, especially at MS and HS.

At the expense of existing programs at the school. So your lust to soak great falls is great enough that you’d be willing to screw over the current kids at the school?

That’s telling.

It’s not always so draconian. Sometimes it’s just taking another look at how space is being used and doing things like reconfiguring existing spaces or getting rid of lockers that kids aren’t using. But let’s not pretend you’re the least bit worried about compromising existing programs at HMS, ok?

Let’s not pretend you’re actually doing anything noble or worthwhile by only caring about equity above all else.

You’re overwrought. I don’t really care that much whether part of Great Falls gets moved. I simply commented because you jumped all over a PP who made a comment based on HMS’s design capacity rather than program capacity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue can be easily resolved by: 1) Limit Cooper MS to only Langley residents. That will reduce capacity at Langley HS; 2) Make McLean HS into a secondary school for only McLean residents. It means Franklin Sherman & Kent Gardens ES go to McLean secondary school. Give Longfellow MS back to Falls Church; 3) Create an AAP center at either Franklin Sherman or Kent Garden (I think there is an AAP at Churchill). That will reduce the capacity at McLean HS, but Falls Church parents will cry foul because that will bring down their property values, LOL.

Longfellow is located in McLean. It has never been part of Falls Church City. (same for Haycock, which you seemed to have missed in your proposal).



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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue can be easily resolved by: 1) Limit Cooper MS to only Langley residents. That will reduce capacity at Langley HS; 2) Make McLean HS into a secondary school for only McLean residents. It means Franklin Sherman & Kent Gardens ES go to McLean secondary school. Give Longfellow MS back to Falls Church; 3) Create an AAP center at either Franklin Sherman or Kent Garden (I think there is an AAP at Churchill). That will reduce the capacity at McLean HS, but Falls Church parents will cry foul because that will bring down their property values, LOL.

Longfellow is located in McLean. It has never been part of Falls Church City. (same for Haycock, which you seemed to have missed in your proposal).



https://data.census.gov/profile?q=McLean%20CDP

Longfellow and Haycock are both in the 22043 zip code which is Falls Church outside of FCC. This part of 22043 does pay into the McLean tax district, though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue can be easily resolved by: 1) Limit Cooper MS to only Langley residents. That will reduce capacity at Langley HS; 2) Make McLean HS into a secondary school for only McLean residents. It means Franklin Sherman & Kent Gardens ES go to McLean secondary school. Give Longfellow MS back to Falls Church; 3) Create an AAP center at either Franklin Sherman or Kent Garden (I think there is an AAP at Churchill). That will reduce the capacity at McLean HS, but Falls Church parents will cry foul because that will bring down their property values, LOL.

Longfellow is located in McLean. It has never been part of Falls Church City. (same for Haycock, which you seemed to have missed in your proposal).



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yes for real, we can walk to Longfellow. the issue is busing all the kids in from south of 66. I understand that the address says Falls Church, but it is in McLean. However this poster I don't think was talking about FCC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are trying to stay in the Langley pyramid only because we have a child at Cooper who wants to stay with her friends. We have already had quite a bit of disruption for this particular child and need to limit it going forward.

That said, does anyone have thoughts on when we might know the final decisions about potential changes in the pyramid? Are we looking at six months, a year, two years? I really have no idea.

It does seem to me like a logical change, albeit a sad one for many in the Langley community, would be to cut off the western part of Great Falls and Herndon or South Lakes. I personally think that is a likely outcome.

What I do not know is what will likely happen to McLean and the east side of the Langley boundary. For example, there are homes near downtown McLean that are closer to likely than McLean. Will all of these likely stay zoned to McLean?

To be clear, I am not interested in debating the merits of rezoning, and I know that nobody can predict the future. I’m just wondering if anyone with more knowledge about this particular area than me has any thoughts on what may be most likely to happen in the future.

I have significant thoughts and extensive knowledge of that area, but I would never share insight with someone who says that the change is logical.

If you think that the change is logical, good luck figuring it all out. In the meantime, stop trying to buy your way out of the situation.

You’re gross to want to insulate your child at the expense of your neighbors.

This is a weird response. Lots of kids want to stay at the same school.

That didn’t offend me, it’s the poster saying that the move is logical and then asking how she can avoid the consequences for her child.

what are you talking about?? anybody is free to buy a home anyplace they want, at any time, if they want to be in a certain school district. That is probably the #1 factor that families look at when choosing where to buy. I lived in Arlington for years, and then bought my current home in Great Falls because I wanted my kids to go to Langley. People will always make those type of choices, before, during, and after any boundary changes. if you find that gross or offensive, you have issues.

Sure, but again, she just seems preoccupied with her own delicate child and her own situation, while being fine with throwing her daughter’s friends under the equity bus. Go back and read her original question.

OP is trying to look out after her DD just like other parents try to look out after their kids.

You complain that she’s throwing her DD’s friends under a bus when all she did was acknowledge that there might be some logic to moving kids who live out near Loudoun to Herndon. It wasn’t like she was advocating for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue can be easily resolved by: 1) Limit Cooper MS to only Langley residents. That will reduce capacity at Langley HS; 2) Make McLean HS into a secondary school for only McLean residents. It means Franklin Sherman & Kent Gardens ES go to McLean secondary school. Give Longfellow MS back to Falls Church; 3) Create an AAP center at either Franklin Sherman or Kent Garden (I think there is an AAP at Churchill). That will reduce the capacity at McLean HS, but Falls Church parents will cry foul because that will bring down their property values, LOL.

Longfellow is located in McLean. It has never been part of Falls Church City. (same for Haycock, which you seemed to have missed in your proposal).



https://data.census.gov/profile?q=McLean%20CDP

Longfellow and Haycock are both in the 22043 zip code which is Falls Church outside of FCC. This part of 22043 does pay into the McLean tax district, though.

They are part of the McLean tax district because they are part of McLean. The Post Office does not determine school districts. There are people with Arlington postal zip codes that live in Fairfax county and there are people with Fairfax County zip codes that live in Arlington. Their children go to schools based on where they live not their postal code. There are even a few whose property splits between Arlington and Fairfax counties and they get to choose between the two school districts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are trying to stay in the Langley pyramid only because we have a child at Cooper who wants to stay with her friends. We have already had quite a bit of disruption for this particular child and need to limit it going forward.

That said, does anyone have thoughts on when we might know the final decisions about potential changes in the pyramid? Are we looking at six months, a year, two years? I really have no idea.

It does seem to me like a logical change, albeit a sad one for many in the Langley community, would be to cut off the western part of Great Falls and Herndon or South Lakes. I personally think that is a likely outcome.

What I do not know is what will likely happen to McLean and the east side of the Langley boundary. For example, there are homes near downtown McLean that are closer to likely than McLean. Will all of these likely stay zoned to McLean?

To be clear, I am not interested in debating the merits of rezoning, and I know that nobody can predict the future. I’m just wondering if anyone with more knowledge about this particular area than me has any thoughts on what may be most likely to happen in the future.

I have significant thoughts and extensive knowledge of that area, but I would never share insight with someone who says that the change is logical.

If you think that the change is logical, good luck figuring it all out. In the meantime, stop trying to buy your way out of the situation.

You’re gross to want to insulate your child at the expense of your neighbors.

This is a weird response. Lots of kids want to stay at the same school.

That didn’t offend me, it’s the poster saying that the move is logical and then asking how she can avoid the consequences for her child.

what are you talking about?? anybody is free to buy a home anyplace they want, at any time, if they want to be in a certain school district. That is probably the #1 factor that families look at when choosing where to buy. I lived in Arlington for years, and then bought my current home in Great Falls because I wanted my kids to go to Langley. People will always make those type of choices, before, during, and after any boundary changes. if you find that gross or offensive, you have issues.

Sure, but again, she just seems preoccupied with her own delicate child and her own situation, while being fine with throwing her daughter’s friends under the equity bus. Go back and read her original question.

OP is trying to look out after her DD just like other parents try to look out after their kids.

You complain that she’s throwing her DD’s friends under a bus when all she did was acknowledge that there might be some logic to moving kids who live out near Loudoun to Herndon. It wasn’t like she was advocating for it.

Sorry, it was a real let-then-eat-cake question from a recent divorcee looking for help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue can be easily resolved by: 1) Limit Cooper MS to only Langley residents. That will reduce capacity at Langley HS; 2) Make McLean HS into a secondary school for only McLean residents. It means Franklin Sherman & Kent Gardens ES go to McLean secondary school. Give Longfellow MS back to Falls Church; 3) Create an AAP center at either Franklin Sherman or Kent Garden (I think there is an AAP at Churchill). That will reduce the capacity at McLean HS, but Falls Church parents will cry foul because that will bring down their property values, LOL.

Longfellow is located in McLean. It has never been part of Falls Church City. (same for Haycock, which you seemed to have missed in your proposal).



https://data.census.gov/profile?q=McLean%20CDP

Longfellow and Haycock are both in the 22043 zip code which is Falls Church outside of FCC. This part of 22043 does pay into the McLean tax district, though.

They are part of the McLean tax district because they are part of McLean. The Post Office does not determine school districts. There are people with Arlington postal zip codes that live in Fairfax county and there are people with Fairfax County zip codes that live in Arlington. Their children go to schools based on where they live not their postal code. There are even a few whose property splits between Arlington and Fairfax counties and they get to choose between the two school districts.

PP and I agree with you. There’s a poster fixated on kicking any Falls Church address off to Falls Church High School to torpedo their property values, even though 22043 is split between McLean and Marshall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue can be easily resolved by: 1) Limit Cooper MS to only Langley residents. That will reduce capacity at Langley HS; 2) Make McLean HS into a secondary school for only McLean residents. It means Franklin Sherman & Kent Gardens ES go to McLean secondary school. Give Longfellow MS back to Falls Church; 3) Create an AAP center at either Franklin Sherman or Kent Garden (I think there is an AAP at Churchill). That will reduce the capacity at McLean HS, but Falls Church parents will cry foul because that will bring down their property values, LOL.

Longfellow is located in McLean. It has never been part of Falls Church City. (same for Haycock, which you seemed to have missed in your proposal).



https://data.census.gov/profile?q=McLean%20CDP

Longfellow and Haycock are both in the 22043 zip code which is Falls Church outside of FCC. This part of 22043 does pay into the McLean tax district, though.

They are part of the McLean tax district because they are part of McLean. The Post Office does not determine school districts. There are people with Arlington postal zip codes that live in Fairfax county and there are people with Fairfax County zip codes that live in Arlington. Their children go to schools based on where they live not their postal code. There are even a few whose property splits between Arlington and Fairfax counties and they get to choose between the two school districts.

PP and I agree with you. There’s a poster fixated on kicking any Falls Church address off to Falls Church High School to torpedo their property values, even though 22043 is split between McLean and Marshall.

DP. The way they set the boundary policy, timberlane attendance island is going to be going to a different school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue can be easily resolved by: 1) Limit Cooper MS to only Langley residents. That will reduce capacity at Langley HS; 2) Make McLean HS into a secondary school for only McLean residents. It means Franklin Sherman & Kent Gardens ES go to McLean secondary school. Give Longfellow MS back to Falls Church; 3) Create an AAP center at either Franklin Sherman or Kent Garden (I think there is an AAP at Churchill). That will reduce the capacity at McLean HS, but Falls Church parents will cry foul because that will bring down their property values, LOL.

Longfellow is located in McLean. It has never been part of Falls Church City. (same for Haycock, which you seemed to have missed in your proposal).



https://data.census.gov/profile?q=McLean%20CDP

Longfellow and Haycock are both in the 22043 zip code which is Falls Church outside of FCC. This part of 22043 does pay into the McLean tax district, though.

They are part of the McLean tax district because they are part of McLean. The Post Office does not determine school districts. There are people with Arlington postal zip codes that live in Fairfax county and there are people with Fairfax County zip codes that live in Arlington. Their children go to schools based on where they live not their postal code. There are even a few whose property splits between Arlington and Fairfax counties and they get to choose between the two school districts.

PP and I agree with you. There’s a poster fixated on kicking any Falls Church address off to Falls Church High School to torpedo their property values, even though 22043 is split between McLean and Marshall.

DP. The way they set the boundary policy, timberlane attendance island is going to be going to a different school.

Not necessarily. They could move the Spring Hill attendance island to Langley and leave the Timber Lane island at McLean. The island is closer to Falls Church and Marshall than McLean, but it’s also probably closer to Longfellow than it is Kilmer or Jackson, and it exists in part due to the geography of Falls Church City.

That keeps the Timber Lane diversity at McLean but still provides a justification, should they be so inclined, to move Forestville to Herndon.

Not saying this will or should happen, but it’s certainly a possibility.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue can be easily resolved by: 1) Limit Cooper MS to only Langley residents. That will reduce capacity at Langley HS; 2) Make McLean HS into a secondary school for only McLean residents. It means Franklin Sherman & Kent Gardens ES go to McLean secondary school. Give Longfellow MS back to Falls Church; 3) Create an AAP center at either Franklin Sherman or Kent Garden (I think there is an AAP at Churchill). That will reduce the capacity at McLean HS, but Falls Church parents will cry foul because that will bring down their property values, LOL.

Longfellow is located in McLean. It has never been part of Falls Church City. (same for Haycock, which you seemed to have missed in your proposal).



https://data.census.gov/profile?q=McLean%20CDP

Longfellow and Haycock are both in the 22043 zip code which is Falls Church outside of FCC. This part of 22043 does pay into the McLean tax district, though.

They are part of the McLean tax district because they are part of McLean. The Post Office does not determine school districts. There are people with Arlington postal zip codes that live in Fairfax county and there are people with Fairfax County zip codes that live in Arlington. Their children go to schools based on where they live not their postal code. There are even a few whose property splits between Arlington and Fairfax counties and they get to choose between the two school districts.

PP and I agree with you. There’s a poster fixated on kicking any Falls Church address off to Falls Church High School to torpedo their property values, even though 22043 is split between McLean and Marshall.

DP. The way they set the boundary policy, timberlane attendance island is going to be going to a different school.

Not necessarily. They could move the Spring Hill attendance island to Langley and leave the Timber Lane island at McLean. The island is closer to Falls Church and Marshall than McLean, but it’s also probably closer to Longfellow than it is Kilmer or Jackson, and it exists in part due to the geography of Falls Church City.

That keeps the Timber Lane diversity at McLean but still provides a justification, should they be so inclined, to move Forestville to Herndon.

Not saying this will or should happen, but it’s certainly a possibility.

Timber Lane is 22046, and a different story. As a split feeder (with FCHS) and an attendance island, it’s doubtful it’ll stay at McLean. In my mind, the most likely scenario is the entire school goes to Falls Church High School. Next would be to send it to Marshall depending on how Marshall and McLean divy their split feeders. Last would be to keep it at McLean.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Herndon Middle has a capacity for 1176 students. They have 905 students currently.

Forestville has about 180 kids total between 6th and 5th grades. Even if the Great Falls parents do not choose private for MS, there is plenty of room at Herndon Middle.

And even more room at Herndon High School.

Don’t gaslight, honey. The school system always looks at program capacity not design capacity when calculating capacity.

Is gatehouse desperate enough for equity that they’ll start playing fast and loose with the numbers? That’d be corruption, plan and simple.

DP. Program capacities can be adjusted to align more closely with design capacity, especially at MS and HS.

At the expense of existing programs at the school. So your lust to soak great falls is great enough that you’d be willing to screw over the current kids at the school?

That’s telling.

DP. No, in many cases the program capacity drops over time because the enrollment drops, so they have less teachers assigned, so they repurpose the extra classrooms to whatever other use (storage, optional breakout spaces, etc.) which are nice amenities to have, but are optional and don't count against program capacity. Now if it's because they needed those classrooms for a new Special Ed or Pre-K or whatever program that is durable, that's different, but that's generally not what we're talking about here. More often that space can be reclaimed as program capacity without adverse impacts if enrollment demands. The other legit reason that program capacity might drop at a school is if a modular was removed from the site, since modulars count towards program capacity whereas trailers do not. But yes, there are many schools across the county where program capacity could be aligned more closely with design capacity, and not "at the expense of existing programs at the school".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Herndon Middle has a capacity for 1176 students. They have 905 students currently.

Forestville has about 180 kids total between 6th and 5th grades. Even if the Great Falls parents do not choose private for MS, there is plenty of room at Herndon Middle.

And even more room at Herndon High School.

Don’t gaslight, honey. The school system always looks at program capacity not design capacity when calculating capacity.

Is gatehouse desperate enough for equity that they’ll start playing fast and loose with the numbers? That’d be corruption, plan and simple.

DP. Program capacities can be adjusted to align more closely with design capacity, especially at MS and HS.

At the expense of existing programs at the school. So your lust to soak great falls is great enough that you’d be willing to screw over the current kids at the school?

That’s telling.

DP. No, in many cases the program capacity drops over time because the enrollment drops, so they have less teachers assigned, so they repurpose the extra classrooms to whatever other use (storage, optional breakout spaces, etc.) which are nice amenities to have, but are optional and don't count against program capacity. Now if it's because they needed those classrooms for a new Special Ed or Pre-K or whatever program that is durable, that's different, but that's generally not what we're talking about here. More often that space can be reclaimed as program capacity without adverse impacts if enrollment demands. The other legit reason that program capacity might drop at a school is if a modular was removed from the site, since modulars count towards program capacity whereas trailers do not. But yes, there are many schools across the county where program capacity could be aligned more closely with design capacity, and not "at the expense of existing programs at the school".

So you want to overcrowded Herndon middle to help McLean. When did up become down for the equity team?