Immigration - how is it such a huge issue in this race?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, it's because as pp said resources are finite. We've seen this first hand. When your kids are in a school where poverty has grown to over 60% free lunch in less than 10 yrs, the school starts scaling back.
Ex. Your child is reading below grade level or you suspect an issue you are told all is fine. That's because there are so many children at the school who are either doing worse or who are new arrivals and cannot read at all.

Yikes. This hits home in FCPS.

come to Sterling Middle school and see what Democrat policies have done to the middle class. Title one school , gangs, kids without parents, kids cant speak English.

and Democratic politicians are NEVER seen there. Warner, Kaine, Conelly never seen or helping.

When they don't visit the schools or see firsthand what's happening, they can pretend problems don't exist.

[Anonymous]

Her first bill was a mass amnesty. Proposed January 2021.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apologies if there’s another thread on this…

But really? It seems like people I know who are not particularly affected by this issue are focused on it as a deciding factor in the election. It’s immigration, immigration, immigration.

Is immigration that terrible for our country? In my world at least, the most obvious related issue I see is that small businesses don’t have enough labor. So immigration is a good thing.

Maybe I’m myopic. Can someone please explain?

In a nutshell, the immigrants that used to disappear into Texas or Manassas or Hyattsville are now showing up in Montgomery, and Fairfax and NYC and causing Democrats to freak out. Immigration wasn't a problem for them as long as they went "somewhere else."

Op just checking in now. Quite the discussion! I’m a New Yorker. Immigration doesn’t affect my daily life at all, nor does it affect anyone’s I know, in NY or out, other than small businesses who WANT more workers. Our

So again, I’ll ask, why is it such a hot button issue? Do I think it’s not *an* issue at all? No, of course not. But why is it THE defining issue to so many who it really doesn’t affect?? And why doesn’t anyone discuss how global issues out of our control affected recent waves of immigration much more than specific US policies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Number one... you don't understand labor markets. There is only the amount of labor available; there is no shortage or surplus, no right amount. Businesses and markets adjust accordingly to the appropriate mix of capital and labor. The labor shortage lines are BS from uncompetitive businesses and organizations that want to undercut their employees.

Not accurate whatsoever at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apologies if there’s another thread on this…

But really? It seems like people I know who are not particularly affected by this issue are focused on it as a deciding factor in the election. It’s immigration, immigration, immigration.

Is immigration that terrible for our country? In my world at least, the most obvious related issue I see is that small businesses don’t have enough labor. So immigration is a good thing.

Maybe I’m myopic. Can someone please explain?

The GOP and right wing media drum this up as an issue before every election and then promptly forget it the day after.

This is the correct answer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apologies if there’s another thread on this…

But really? It seems like people I know who are not particularly affected by this issue are focused on it as a deciding factor in the election. It’s immigration, immigration, immigration.

Is immigration that terrible for our country? In my world at least, the most obvious related issue I see is that small businesses don’t have enough labor. So immigration is a good thing.

Maybe I’m myopic. Can someone please explain?

The GOP and right wing media drum this up as an issue before every election and then promptly forget it the day after.

This is the correct answer

Another denier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t be ridiculous. Of course Americans are upset about immigration. Parents don’t want their schools overcrowded from illegal immigration.

+1
And to the OP - the issue is ILLEGAL immigration.

Stop gaslighting. You don’t want any more brown or Black people, legal or not, in your neighborhood, town, county, state, or country. Stop using your kids as political pawns for your bigotry. Kids don’t have a problem with new or different kids, unless their parents force them to. I say this as someone in 3rd grade in the South when our school was desegregated and as parent of 3 children who benefited from very diverse public schools. You guys are saying the same shit as every bigot in history.

I am a “brown” daughter of immigrants. I’m a Democrat and will be voting for Harris, but you’re being myopic if you think everyone concerned about the effects of the migrant crisis is concerned because they’re racist.

I live in NYC. The city is spending literally billions of dollars of taxpayer money on housing, feeding, and caring for migrants. NYC had to institute across the board cuts to all city programs and services to pay for this. The migrants are all over the subway and the sidewalks panhandling, often with children (who are not in school, and therefore may eventually become taxpayer liabilities as adults) in tow. And the kids who are in enrolled in school (as they should be) are consuming resources paid for by US citizen taxpayers, and because resources are finite, taking them from the children of US citizen taxpayers.

You might not personally care about this, but it’s insane for you not to realize or care that other people do. Maybe for the most hardened MAGA types it’s a question of racism, but not for everyone. Many Democrats are concerned too. And acting like this isn’t a problem is not going to help Democrats get elected.

New Yorker here. You are exaggerating and fear mongering. My kids attend nyc publics. Everything is fine. And they are certainly not all over the sidewalks panhandling. You are a disgusting liar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t be ridiculous. Of course Americans are upset about immigration. Parents don’t want their schools overcrowded from illegal immigration.

+1
And to the OP - the issue is ILLEGAL immigration.

Stop gaslighting. You don’t want any more brown or Black people, legal or not, in your neighborhood, town, county, state, or country. Stop using your kids as political pawns for your bigotry. Kids don’t have a problem with new or different kids, unless their parents force them to. I say this as someone in 3rd grade in the South when our school was desegregated and as parent of 3 children who benefited from very diverse public schools. You guys are saying the same shit as every bigot in history.

I am a “brown” daughter of immigrants. I’m a Democrat and will be voting for Harris, but you’re being myopic if you think everyone concerned about the effects of the migrant crisis is concerned because they’re racist.

I live in NYC. The city is spending literally billions of dollars of taxpayer money on housing, feeding, and caring for migrants. NYC had to institute across the board cuts to all city programs and services to pay for this. The migrants are all over the subway and the sidewalks panhandling, often with children (who are not in school, and therefore may eventually become taxpayer liabilities as adults) in tow. And the kids who are in enrolled in school (as they should be) are consuming resources paid for by US citizen taxpayers, and because resources are finite, taking them from the children of US citizen taxpayers.

You might not personally care about this, but it’s insane for you not to realize or care that other people do. Maybe for the most hardened MAGA types it’s a question of racism, but not for everyone. Many Democrats are concerned too. And acting like this isn’t a problem is not going to help Democrats get elected.

LIAR

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t be ridiculous. Of course Americans are upset about immigration. Parents don’t want their schools overcrowded from illegal immigration.

+1
And to the OP - the issue is ILLEGAL immigration.

Stop gaslighting. You don’t want any more brown or Black people, legal or not, in your neighborhood, town, county, state, or country. Stop using your kids as political pawns for your bigotry. Kids don’t have a problem with new or different kids, unless their parents force them to. I say this as someone in 3rd grade in the South when our school was desegregated and as parent of 3 children who benefited from very diverse public schools. You guys are saying the same shit as every bigot in history.

I am a “brown” daughter of immigrants. I’m a Democrat and will be voting for Harris, but you’re being myopic if you think everyone concerned about the effects of the migrant crisis is concerned because they’re racist.

I live in NYC. The city is spending literally billions of dollars of taxpayer money on housing, feeding, and caring for migrants. NYC had to institute across the board cuts to all city programs and services to pay for this. The migrants are all over the subway and the sidewalks panhandling, often with children (who are not in school, and therefore may eventually become taxpayer liabilities as adults) in tow. And the kids who are in enrolled in school (as they should be) are consuming resources paid for by US citizen taxpayers, and because resources are finite, taking them from the children of US citizen taxpayers.

You might not personally care about this, but it’s insane for you not to realize or care that other people do. Maybe for the most hardened MAGA types it’s a question of racism, but not for everyone. Many Democrats are concerned too. And acting like this isn’t a problem is not going to help Democrats get elected.

LIAR

Shouting won't help your case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vance brought up the issues of public school resources being redirected to ELL students at a rally in PA.

56,000+ school aged kids arrived in NYC alone in the last 2 years. It's an issue that this administration wholly caused and parents are rightfully pissed.

NP... I'm not sure where that number comes from, but let's run with it. Do you know how many school-aged kids there are in NYC?

It's around 930,000. 56,000 therefore only represents a change of around 5.3% over 2 years, or 2.7% per year. School enrollment often fluctuates by that amount regardless of border or immigration policy.

You're being hyperbolic and are trying a strategy of thinking you can scare people by throwing numbers around, but that only works with people who don't understand how scale works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apologies if there’s another thread on this…

But really? It seems like people I know who are not particularly affected by this issue are focused on it as a deciding factor in the election. It’s immigration, immigration, immigration.

Is immigration that terrible for our country? In my world at least, the most obvious related issue I see is that small businesses don’t have enough labor. So immigration is a good thing.

Maybe I’m myopic. Can someone please explain?

The GOP and right wing media drum this up as an issue before every election and then promptly forget it the day after.

This is the correct answer

💯

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t be ridiculous. Of course Americans are upset about immigration. Parents don’t want their schools overcrowded from illegal immigration.

+1
And to the OP - the issue is ILLEGAL immigration.

Stop gaslighting. You don’t want any more brown or Black people, legal or not, in your neighborhood, town, county, state, or country. Stop using your kids as political pawns for your bigotry. Kids don’t have a problem with new or different kids, unless their parents force them to. I say this as someone in 3rd grade in the South when our school was desegregated and as parent of 3 children who benefited from very diverse public schools. You guys are saying the same shit as every bigot in history.

I am a “brown” daughter of immigrants. I’m a Democrat and will be voting for Harris, but you’re being myopic if you think everyone concerned about the effects of the migrant crisis is concerned because they’re racist.

I live in NYC. The city is spending literally billions of dollars of taxpayer money on housing, feeding, and caring for migrants. NYC had to institute across the board cuts to all city programs and services to pay for this. The migrants are all over the subway and the sidewalks panhandling, often with children (who are not in school, and therefore may eventually become taxpayer liabilities as adults) in tow. And the kids who are in enrolled in school (as they should be) are consuming resources paid for by US citizen taxpayers, and because resources are finite, taking them from the children of US citizen taxpayers.

You might not personally care about this, but it’s insane for you not to realize or care that other people do. Maybe for the most hardened MAGA types it’s a question of racism, but not for everyone. Many Democrats are concerned too. And acting like this isn’t a problem is not going to help Democrats get elected.

New Yorker here. You are exaggerating and fear mongering. My kids attend nyc publics. Everything is fine. And they are certainly not all over the sidewalks panhandling. You are a disgusting liar.

PP be like "sWArMs Of TheM aRE iN thE CLasSRoOmS EaTinG CaTS aND DoGS!!!!1!" 🤪

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vance brought up the issues of public school resources being redirected to ELL students at a rally in PA.

56,000+ school aged kids arrived in NYC alone in the last 2 years. It's an issue that this administration wholly caused and parents are rightfully pissed.

NP... I'm not sure where that number comes from, but let's run with it. Do you know how many school-aged kids there are in NYC?

It's around 930,000. 56,000 therefore only represents a change of around 5.3% over 2 years, or 2.7% per year. School enrollment often fluctuates by that amount regardless of border or immigration policy.

You're being hyperbolic and are trying a strategy of thinking you can scare people by throwing numbers around, but that only works with people who don't understand how scale works.

You're not a classroom teacher, are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, it's because as pp said resources are finite. We've seen this first hand. When your kids are in a school where poverty has grown to over 60% free lunch in less than 10 yrs, the school starts scaling back.
Ex. Your child is reading below grade level or you suspect an issue you are told all is fine. That's because there are so many children at the school who are either doing worse or who are new arrivals and cannot read at all.

Yikes. This hits home in FCPS.

come to Sterling Middle school and see what Democrat policies have done to the middle class. Title one school , gangs, kids without parents, kids cant speak English.

and Democratic politicians are NEVER seen there. Warner, Kaine, Conelly never seen or helping.

Come to western Fairfax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t be ridiculous. Of course Americans are upset about immigration. Parents don’t want their schools overcrowded from illegal immigration.

+1
And to the OP - the issue is ILLEGAL immigration.

Stop gaslighting. You don’t want any more brown or Black people, legal or not, in your neighborhood, town, county, state, or country. Stop using your kids as political pawns for your bigotry. Kids don’t have a problem with new or different kids, unless their parents force them to. I say this as someone in 3rd grade in the South when our school was desegregated and as parent of 3 children who benefited from very diverse public schools. You guys are saying the same shit as every bigot in history.

I am a “brown” daughter of immigrants. I’m a Democrat and will be voting for Harris, but you’re being myopic if you think everyone concerned about the effects of the migrant crisis is concerned because they’re racist.

I live in NYC. The city is spending literally billions of dollars of taxpayer money on housing, feeding, and caring for migrants. NYC had to institute across the board cuts to all city programs and services to pay for this. The migrants are all over the subway and the sidewalks panhandling, often with children (who are not in school, and therefore may eventually become taxpayer liabilities as adults) in tow. And the kids who are in enrolled in school (as they should be) are consuming resources paid for by US citizen taxpayers, and because resources are finite, taking them from the children of US citizen taxpayers.

You might not personally care about this, but it’s insane for you not to realize or care that other people do. Maybe for the most hardened MAGA types it’s a question of racism, but not for everyone. Many Democrats are concerned too. And acting like this isn’t a problem is not going to help Democrats get elected.

New Yorker here. You are exaggerating and fear mongering. My kids attend nyc publics. Everything is fine. And they are certainly not all over the sidewalks panhandling. You are a disgusting liar.

New poster but what is the lie? Millions of immigrants have arrived in NYC. Is it your position that the city has easily absorbed this into its current budget and no adjustments were made? I mean.... we're not all morons.