VEL 2025 Black Division

[Anonymous]

The potential of winning Titles, draws a lot of folks to Indy. They have a ton of talent, and as stated before, many of those players come from VLC. Several kids have chosen not to attend their zoned LOCO High School to attend Indy. Maybe not for lax specifically, but its a good HS overall. Maybe those kids knew they godo get playing time, wanted to play with their friends from VLC, or an number of reasons. I can't imagine they were drawn because of the coaching staff specifically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The potential of winning Titles, draws a lot of folks to Indy. They have a ton of talent, and as stated before, many of those players come from VLC. Several kids have chosen not to attend their zoned LOCO High School to attend Indy. Maybe not for lax specifically, but its a good HS overall. Maybe those kids knew they godo get playing time, wanted to play with their friends from VLC, or an number of reasons. I can't imagine they were drawn because of the coaching staff specifically.

The "potential of winning titles draws a lot of folks" is the funny part.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the Indy attack, not sure if it was the so-called slasher, was throwing some reckless checks and got called for a slash to the head. I didn't see anyone get thrown out.

PP Langley parent here.
I can confirm this. Yes it was the same attack/ coach kid.
Yes he is too wild with the stick, nothing new.

Yes a slash, yes hit the helmet, overly dangerous- no. Seen this 1000x before yes- from many players that don’t know how to play D.

Penalty called and that would have been the extent of the rough play.

Different Langley parent here. According to my son, the Indy player was trash talking and skirmishing after game ended but before the handshake line, which resulted in the ref announcing that he is ejected from the NEXT game. This happened at the scorers table which is why parents are not aware of it. But from the parent sideline I could hear this player running his mouth the whole game. For Yorktown's sake, I hope that VEL upholds the ref's decision, so they can have reasonably clean game without one kid trash talking and taking cheap shots all over the field.

Don't know what to make of this. While I can see this happening there are just a bit of things that do not add up:

So, player is trash talking and skirmishing after the game.
This rises to the level of a ref ejecting the player from the next game.
However
A flag was not thrown which is standard for refs
This did not draw enough notice for the people on the parents sideline to notice
Additional players did not join in or pull people apart
Coaches from either team didn't pull players aside

It sounds very fantastical that a ref would eject a player for actions (trash talk etc) that would have been so minor that the people there didn't see anything out the ordinary, but so major that there was an ejection, if they indeed happen.
Something just does not add up here.

What I do know-
If the league is not going to suspend the player, then a coach (dad or not) is not going to do so. If the league says they can play, they do.
I know VEL and EB. I have played for EB. If the ref says they are ejected, EB and VEL will definitely support the refs and sit the player.

I will withhold my judgement until next week to see if the player plays and I will have my answer to the honesty of the above posts.

This is an honest question as an outside observer, not a troll... I have been reading all of the posts, and watching this Independence team play and behave for a couple of years now...

Indy parents, do you think that your coaching staff is actually doing a good job for your sons and players? Since you all drank the cool aid and listened to the current coach run out the former staff.

If you don't agree with what is being done, why haven't you brought concerns about the unsafe and unprofessional program being taught and run?

In my personal opinion (which is allowed btw), it is not only endangering your sons development as lacrosse players, but also as young men, learning that there is no consequences for your actions. Not only that, but if you care about kids as a whole, it is also endangering the safety of other boys in the Northern Virginia area.

Just a question... Would love to hear the thoughts of Tiger Parents.

Not with Indy, but want to ask why you assumeall the parents "drank the (kool-aid)"? I have very good friends and interact personally and on the club circuit with some of these kids and parents. I have *gasp* first person spoken to them, have you? Why do you paint a wide variety of parents and kids with the same brush? The Indy parents and players I know are great people and players.

Many did not listen to the current coach and were not really happy with the change in coach. FYI- I think that the staff beyond the HC is much the same as it was before with the old coach and you might know that if you spoke to someone.

I do know that several parents have raised concerns about the same things posted here and things I have heard about that have not been posted here. This is not a democracy where the parents vote in a coach, this is done through the AD at the school.

Yes you are allowed to have your opinion and I am allowed to have mine. You are not able to have your own facts though. From what I can tell you are passing judgement on players and parents that you do not know, have never spoken to and formed an opinion about based on snippets of games and anonymous internet postings.

I challenge you to go out and speak with these people face to face and you might be surprised about what you find.

Again - Am I happy with everything that has happened with Indy? No
Am I happy with things that have happened my own sons team? No
Have I seen very questionable things from other programs beyond mine or Indy? Yes

I know many throughout LCPS and FCPS and PWCPS and have been around this game longer then I care to admit. I can 100% tell you a "dirty secret" and questionable actions about maybe 80% of the boys lacrosse programs in the area.

[Anonymous]

I thought a separate forum was made for Independence boys lacrosse. Please post there

[Anonymous]

I for one think Indy may be the only interesting part of the VEL league. Please continue to post here for the rest of the VEL season.

Another interesting thing to watch is BI. They have never been good. Always the bottom for the WCAC and they beat Battefield who beat Robinson and gave PVI a much better game than Madison. If they beat Robinson is that a sign they are improved or is the gap between public and private wider than it has ever been

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One of the Indy attack, not sure if it was the so-called slasher, was throwing some reckless checks and got called for a slash to the head. I didn't see anyone get thrown out.

PP Langley parent here.
I can confirm this. Yes it was the same attack/ coach kid.
Yes he is too wild with the stick, nothing new.

Yes a slash, yes hit the helmet, overly dangerous- no. Seen this 1000x before yes- from many players that don’t know how to play D.

Penalty called and that would have been the extent of the rough play.

Different Langley parent here. According to my son, the Indy player was trash talking and skirmishing after game ended but before the handshake line, which resulted in the ref announcing that he is ejected from the NEXT game. This happened at the scorers table which is why parents are not aware of it. But from the parent sideline I could hear this player running his mouth the whole game. For Yorktown's sake, I hope that VEL upholds the ref's decision, so they can have reasonably clean game without one kid trash talking and taking cheap shots all over the field.

Don't know what to make of this. While I can see this happening there are just a bit of things that do not add up:

So, player is trash talking and skirmishing after the game.
This rises to the level of a ref ejecting the player from the next game.
However
A flag was not thrown which is standard for refs
This did not draw enough notice for the people on the parents sideline to notice
Additional players did not join in or pull people apart
Coaches from either team didn't pull players aside

It sounds very fantastical that a ref would eject a player for actions (trash talk etc) that would have been so minor that the people there didn't see anything out the ordinary, but so major that there was an ejection, if they indeed happen.
Something just does not add up here.

What I do know-
If the league is not going to suspend the player, then a coach (dad or not) is not going to do so. If the league says they can play, they do.
I know VEL and EB. I have played for EB. If the ref says they are ejected, EB and VEL will definitely support the refs and sit the player.

I will withhold my judgement until next week to see if the player plays and I will have my answer to the honesty of the above posts.

This is an honest question as an outside observer, not a troll... I have been reading all of the posts, and watching this Independence team play and behave for a couple of years now...

Indy parents, do you think that your coaching staff is actually doing a good job for your sons and players? Since you all drank the cool aid and listened to the current coach run out the former staff.

If you don't agree with what is being done, why haven't you brought concerns about the unsafe and unprofessional program being taught and run?

In my personal opinion (which is allowed btw), it is not only endangering your sons development as lacrosse players, but also as young men, learning that there is no consequences for your actions. Not only that, but if you care about kids as a whole, it is also endangering the safety of other boys in the Northern Virginia area.

Just a question... Would love to hear the thoughts of Tiger Parents.

Not with Indy, but want to ask why you assumeall the parents "drank the (kool-aid)"? I have very good friends and interact personally and on the club circuit with some of these kids and parents. I have *gasp* first person spoken to them, have you? Why do you paint a wide variety of parents and kids with the same brush? The Indy parents and players I know are great people and players.

Many did not listen to the current coach and were not really happy with the change in coach. FYI- I think that the staff beyond the HC is much the same as it was before with the old coach and you might know that if you spoke to someone.

I do know that several parents have raised concerns about the same things posted here and things I have heard about that have not been posted here. This is not a democracy where the parents vote in a coach, this is done through the AD at the school.

Yes you are allowed to have your opinion and I am allowed to have mine. You are not able to have your own facts though. From what I can tell you are passing judgement on players and parents that you do not know, have never spoken to and formed an opinion about based on snippets of games and anonymous internet postings.

I challenge you to go out and speak with these people face to face and you might be surprised about what you find.

Again - Am I happy with everything that has happened with Indy? No
Am I happy with things that have happened my own sons team? No
Have I seen very questionable things from other programs beyond mine or Indy? Yes

I know many throughout LCPS and FCPS and PWCPS and have been around this game longer then I care to admit. I can 100% tell you a "dirty secret" and questionable actions about maybe 80% of the boys lacrosse programs in the area.

this sounds like a Kamala Harris word salad. I can't even tell what you are saying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One of the Indy attack, not sure if it was the so-called slasher, was throwing some reckless checks and got called for a slash to the head. I didn't see anyone get thrown out.

PP Langley parent here.
I can confirm this. Yes it was the same attack/ coach kid.
Yes he is too wild with the stick, nothing new.

Yes a slash, yes hit the helmet, overly dangerous- no. Seen this 1000x before yes- from many players that don’t know how to play D.

Penalty called and that would have been the extent of the rough play.

Different Langley parent here. According to my son, the Indy player was trash talking and skirmishing after game ended but before the handshake line, which resulted in the ref announcing that he is ejected from the NEXT game. This happened at the scorers table which is why parents are not aware of it. But from the parent sideline I could hear this player running his mouth the whole game. For Yorktown's sake, I hope that VEL upholds the ref's decision, so they can have reasonably clean game without one kid trash talking and taking cheap shots all over the field.

Don't know what to make of this. While I can see this happening there are just a bit of things that do not add up:

So, player is trash talking and skirmishing after the game.
This rises to the level of a ref ejecting the player from the next game.
However
A flag was not thrown which is standard for refs
This did not draw enough notice for the people on the parents sideline to notice
Additional players did not join in or pull people apart
Coaches from either team didn't pull players aside

It sounds very fantastical that a ref would eject a player for actions (trash talk etc) that would have been so minor that the people there didn't see anything out the ordinary, but so major that there was an ejection, if they indeed happen.
Something just does not add up here.

What I do know-
If the league is not going to suspend the player, then a coach (dad or not) is not going to do so. If the league says they can play, they do.
I know VEL and EB. I have played for EB. If the ref says they are ejected, EB and VEL will definitely support the refs and sit the player.

I will withhold my judgement until next week to see if the player plays and I will have my answer to the honesty of the above posts.

This is an honest question as an outside observer, not a troll... I have been reading all of the posts, and watching this Independence team play and behave for a couple of years now...

Indy parents, do you think that your coaching staff is actually doing a good job for your sons and players? Since you all drank the cool aid and listened to the current coach run out the former staff.

If you don't agree with what is being done, why haven't you brought concerns about the unsafe and unprofessional program being taught and run?

In my personal opinion (which is allowed btw), it is not only endangering your sons development as lacrosse players, but also as young men, learning that there is no consequences for your actions. Not only that, but if you care about kids as a whole, it is also endangering the safety of other boys in the Northern Virginia area.

Just a question... Would love to hear the thoughts of Tiger Parents.

Not with Indy, but want to ask why you assumeall the parents "drank the (kool-aid)"? I have very good friends and interact personally and on the club circuit with some of these kids and parents. I have *gasp* first person spoken to them, have you? Why do you paint a wide variety of parents and kids with the same brush? The Indy parents and players I know are great people and players.

Many did not listen to the current coach and were not really happy with the change in coach. FYI- I think that the staff beyond the HC is much the same as it was before with the old coach and you might know that if you spoke to someone.

I do know that several parents have raised concerns about the same things posted here and things I have heard about that have not been posted here. This is not a democracy where the parents vote in a coach, this is done through the AD at the school.

Yes you are allowed to have your opinion and I am allowed to have mine. You are not able to have your own facts though. From what I can tell you are passing judgement on players and parents that you do not know, have never spoken to and formed an opinion about based on snippets of games and anonymous internet postings.

I challenge you to go out and speak with these people face to face and you might be surprised about what you find.

Again - Am I happy with everything that has happened with Indy? No
Am I happy with things that have happened my own sons team? No
Have I seen very questionable things from other programs beyond mine or Indy? Yes

I know many throughout LCPS and FCPS and PWCPS and have been around this game longer then I care to admit. I can 100% tell you a "dirty secret" and questionable actions about maybe 80% of the boys lacrosse programs in the area.

this sounds like a Kamala Harris word salad. I can't even tell what you are saying.

What big words can he help you with?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the Indy attack, not sure if it was the so-called slasher, was throwing some reckless checks and got called for a slash to the head. I didn't see anyone get thrown out.

PP Langley parent here.
I can confirm this. Yes it was the same attack/ coach kid.
Yes he is too wild with the stick, nothing new.

Yes a slash, yes hit the helmet, overly dangerous- no. Seen this 1000x before yes- from many players that don’t know how to play D.

Penalty called and that would have been the extent of the rough play.

Different Langley parent here. According to my son, the Indy player was trash talking and skirmishing after game ended but before the handshake line, which resulted in the ref announcing that he is ejected from the NEXT game. This happened at the scorers table which is why parents are not aware of it. But from the parent sideline I could hear this player running his mouth the whole game. For Yorktown's sake, I hope that VEL upholds the ref's decision, so they can have reasonably clean game without one kid trash talking and taking cheap shots all over the field.

Don't know what to make of this. While I can see this happening there are just a bit of things that do not add up:

So, player is trash talking and skirmishing after the game.
This rises to the level of a ref ejecting the player from the next game.
However
A flag was not thrown which is standard for refs
This did not draw enough notice for the people on the parents sideline to notice
Additional players did not join in or pull people apart
Coaches from either team didn't pull players aside

It sounds very fantastical that a ref would eject a player for actions (trash talk etc) that would have been so minor that the people there didn't see anything out the ordinary, but so major that there was an ejection, if they indeed happen.
Something just does not add up here.

What I do know-
If the league is not going to suspend the player, then a coach (dad or not) is not going to do so. If the league says they can play, they do.
I know VEL and EB. I have played for EB. If the ref says they are ejected, EB and VEL will definitely support the refs and sit the player.

I will withhold my judgement until next week to see if the player plays and I will have my answer to the honesty of the above posts.

This is an honest question as an outside observer, not a troll... I have been reading all of the posts, and watching this Independence team play and behave for a couple of years now...

Indy parents, do you think that your coaching staff is actually doing a good job for your sons and players? Since you all drank the cool aid and listened to the current coach run out the former staff.

If you don't agree with what is being done, why haven't you brought concerns about the unsafe and unprofessional program being taught and run?

In my personal opinion (which is allowed btw), it is not only endangering your sons development as lacrosse players, but also as young men, learning that there is no consequences for your actions. Not only that, but if you care about kids as a whole, it is also endangering the safety of other boys in the Northern Virginia area.

Just a question... Would love to hear the thoughts of Tiger Parents.

interesting that no Indy parents are responding. but I saw the dirty player for the first time this past Sunday, and here is what I saw -- he cross checked the opposing goalie in the back of the head, butt-ended a player in the balls, and did two hand chop on a third player like a baseball swing. The baseball swing was called a slash, but the refs missed the other two, because he does this stuff behind the play. And on the slash, he had a chance to pick up the ball himself, but he was too chicken. Now I see why they call him the Indy slasher, but I wish his coaches or refs or someone would crack down before he hurts somebody.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One of the Indy attack, not sure if it was the so-called slasher, was throwing some reckless checks and got called for a slash to the head. I didn't see anyone get thrown out.

PP Langley parent here.
I can confirm this. Yes it was the same attack/ coach kid.
Yes he is too wild with the stick, nothing new.

Yes a slash, yes hit the helmet, overly dangerous- no. Seen this 1000x before yes- from many players that don’t know how to play D.

Penalty called and that would have been the extent of the rough play.

Different Langley parent here. According to my son, the Indy player was trash talking and skirmishing after game ended but before the handshake line, which resulted in the ref announcing that he is ejected from the NEXT game. This happened at the scorers table which is why parents are not aware of it. But from the parent sideline I could hear this player running his mouth the whole game. For Yorktown's sake, I hope that VEL upholds the ref's decision, so they can have reasonably clean game without one kid trash talking and taking cheap shots all over the field.

Don't know what to make of this. While I can see this happening there are just a bit of things that do not add up:

So, player is trash talking and skirmishing after the game.
This rises to the level of a ref ejecting the player from the next game.
However
A flag was not thrown which is standard for refs
This did not draw enough notice for the people on the parents sideline to notice
Additional players did not join in or pull people apart
Coaches from either team didn't pull players aside

It sounds very fantastical that a ref would eject a player for actions (trash talk etc) that would have been so minor that the people there didn't see anything out the ordinary, but so major that there was an ejection, if they indeed happen.
Something just does not add up here.

What I do know-
If the league is not going to suspend the player, then a coach (dad or not) is not going to do so. If the league says they can play, they do.
I know VEL and EB. I have played for EB. If the ref says they are ejected, EB and VEL will definitely support the refs and sit the player.

I will withhold my judgement until next week to see if the player plays and I will have my answer to the honesty of the above posts.

This is an honest question as an outside observer, not a troll... I have been reading all of the posts, and watching this Independence team play and behave for a couple of years now...

Indy parents, do you think that your coaching staff is actually doing a good job for your sons and players? Since you all drank the cool aid and listened to the current coach run out the former staff.

If you don't agree with what is being done, why haven't you brought concerns about the unsafe and unprofessional program being taught and run?

In my personal opinion (which is allowed btw), it is not only endangering your sons development as lacrosse players, but also as young men, learning that there is no consequences for your actions. Not only that, but if you care about kids as a whole, it is also endangering the safety of other boys in the Northern Virginia area.

Just a question... Would love to hear the thoughts of Tiger Parents.

Not with Indy, but want to ask why you assumeall the parents "drank the (kool-aid)"? I have very good friends and interact personally and on the club circuit with some of these kids and parents. I have *gasp* first person spoken to them, have you? Why do you paint a wide variety of parents and kids with the same brush? The Indy parents and players I know are great people and players.

Many did not listen to the current coach and were not really happy with the change in coach. FYI- I think that the staff beyond the HC is much the same as it was before with the old coach and you might know that if you spoke to someone.

I do know that several parents have raised concerns about the same things posted here and things I have heard about that have not been posted here. This is not a democracy where the parents vote in a coach, this is done through the AD at the school.

Yes you are allowed to have your opinion and I am allowed to have mine. You are not able to have your own facts though. From what I can tell you are passing judgement on players and parents that you do not know, have never spoken to and formed an opinion about based on snippets of games and anonymous internet postings.

I challenge you to go out and speak with these people face to face and you might be surprised about what you find.

Again - Am I happy with everything that has happened with Indy? No
Am I happy with things that have happened my own sons team? No
Have I seen very questionable things from other programs beyond mine or Indy? Yes

I know many throughout LCPS and FCPS and PWCPS and have been around this game longer then I care to admit. I can 100% tell you a "dirty secret" and questionable actions about maybe 80% of the boys lacrosse programs in the area.

this sounds like a Kamala Harris word salad. I can't even tell what you are saying.

What big words can he help you with?

the problem is not any particular word, but it just rambles back and forth with no real point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:One of the Indy attack, not sure if it was the so-called slasher, was throwing some reckless checks and got called for a slash to the head. I didn't see anyone get thrown out.

PP Langley parent here.
I can confirm this. Yes it was the same attack/ coach kid.
Yes he is too wild with the stick, nothing new.

Yes a slash, yes hit the helmet, overly dangerous- no. Seen this 1000x before yes- from many players that don’t know how to play D.

Penalty called and that would have been the extent of the rough play.

Different Langley parent here. According to my son, the Indy player was trash talking and skirmishing after game ended but before the handshake line, which resulted in the ref announcing that he is ejected from the NEXT game. This happened at the scorers table which is why parents are not aware of it. But from the parent sideline I could hear this player running his mouth the whole game. For Yorktown's sake, I hope that VEL upholds the ref's decision, so they can have reasonably clean game without one kid trash talking and taking cheap shots all over the field.

Don't know what to make of this. While I can see this happening there are just a bit of things that do not add up:

So, player is trash talking and skirmishing after the game.
This rises to the level of a ref ejecting the player from the next game.
However
A flag was not thrown which is standard for refs
This did not draw enough notice for the people on the parents sideline to notice
Additional players did not join in or pull people apart
Coaches from either team didn't pull players aside

It sounds very fantastical that a ref would eject a player for actions (trash talk etc) that would have been so minor that the people there didn't see anything out the ordinary, but so major that there was an ejection, if they indeed happen.
Something just does not add up here.

What I do know-
If the league is not going to suspend the player, then a coach (dad or not) is not going to do so. If the league says they can play, they do.
I know VEL and EB. I have played for EB. If the ref says they are ejected, EB and VEL will definitely support the refs and sit the player.

I will withhold my judgement until next week to see if the player plays and I will have my answer to the honesty of the above posts.

This is an honest question as an outside observer, not a troll... I have been reading all of the posts, and watching this Independence team play and behave for a couple of years now...

Indy parents, do you think that your coaching staff is actually doing a good job for your sons and players? Since you all drank the cool aid and listened to the current coach run out the former staff.

If you don't agree with what is being done, why haven't you brought concerns about the unsafe and unprofessional program being taught and run?

In my personal opinion (which is allowed btw), it is not only endangering your sons development as lacrosse players, but also as young men, learning that there is no consequences for your actions. Not only that, but if you care about kids as a whole, it is also endangering the safety of other boys in the Northern Virginia area.

Just a question... Would love to hear the thoughts of Tiger Parents.

interesting that no Indy parents are responding. but I saw the dirty player for the first time this past Sunday, and here is what I saw -- he cross checked the opposing goalie in the back of the head, butt-ended a player in the balls, and did two hand chop on a third player like a baseball swing. The baseball swing was called a slash, but the refs missed the other two, because he does this stuff behind the play. And on the slash, he had a chance to pick up the ball himself, but he was too chicken. Now I see why they call him the Indy slasher, but I wish his coaches or refs or someone would crack down before he hurts somebody.

He butt-ended a player in the ball against Riverside! Got called for it and it cost them a goal.

[Anonymous]

Anyone see that the 2026 pole on Robinson just committed to penn state. That’s crazy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone see that the 2026 pole on Robinson just committed to penn state. That’s crazy!

I think that the 2026 class will have a few more d1 commits in VA public. I know that two Langley kids fogo and an attack men are on vlc and good players. Also riverside has a loaded 2026 class that are mostly on Wolfpack and dce, I could see a few more commits from there too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone see that the 2026 pole on Robinson just committed to penn state. That’s crazy!

Yes, example of a VA public kid playing on a good club team will works as well. You just have to be a good player on good teams. Robinson I believe won a championship and DCE is a great club as well. Riverside has a LSM that plays DCE as well and should do just fine and again that public school won a championship as well. Nice job!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone see that the 2026 pole on Robinson just committed to penn state. That’s crazy!

JP was a public school kid out of Freedom SR that ended up at Penn State and on to the PLL.

[Anonymous]

Robo pole was a 4 star. Played DCE and Hilltop and Nations Best. Showed out everywhere. Great pickup for Tambroni. Public school kid doing work and balling out.