MIT releases post-affirmative action class of 2028 data

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Anonymous wrote:in 10-20 years most of these institutions will be led by Asian Americans

No, they will be led by Indian Americans. Look at the Silicon Valley.

First of all, Indians are Asians. Second, who are the current leaders of Nvidia, Broadcom and AMD?

Indian American here. I’m not Asian. Sorry. You don’t make the rules for us all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

That was our experience, too. All the top college tours had many Asians. Good, but not top, schools had hardly any Asians or no Asians in attendance. The Asian obsession with "brand" schools is pathetic imo.

Those Asians with their brand obsessions are the worst. Just for clarification, are we talking about the Indonesians? The Yemenis? The Chinese? The Afghans? Or the Nepalis? I know it’s hard to tell the difference. All Asians look and act alike but I’m just curious.

I live in NYC and my kids attended public school for many years. I know who these people are and I know what their ethnicity is. You're not as clever as you think you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

That was our experience, too. All the top college tours had many Asians. Good, but not top, schools had hardly any Asians or no Asians in attendance. The Asian obsession with "brand" schools is pathetic imo.

Those Asians with their brand obsessions are the worst. Just for clarification, are we talking about the Indonesians? The Yemenis? The Chinese? The Afghans? Or the Nepalis? I know it’s hard to tell the difference. All Asians look and act alike but I’m just curious.

I live in NYC and my kids attended public school for many years. I know who these people are and I know what their ethnicity is. You're not as clever as you think you are.

Oh well, of course, if you live in NYC that changes everything. It makes your anti-Asian, racist statement way cooler and “hip”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's going to be interesting seeing how things develop if black students fall by two thirds across the board at elite schools, which now seems possible to likely, and as DEI internships dry up at white shoe firms in banking, consulting, law.

This is obviously a boon for HBCUs.

What does black politics look like under those circumstances? Will we see the end of Obama type respectability politicians, with more radical figures stepping in? A new dawn for Afropessimism? What happens if black people have no stake in elite institutions?

Why would DEai internships dry up?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still think that if we're getting rid of affirmative action, then we should also get rid of recruiting for sports. There is no difference between recruiting/changing the admissions requirements for a minority student vs doing the same for an athlete.

There is a huge difference, nitwit.

Recruited for sport = you have to be excellent at your sport, better than 95% of high school kids who play your sport. This requires exceptional MERIT.

AA = you were born with the “right” skin color. No merit, pure racism.

Furthermore athletes at elite schools have to meet high academic standards, and have high graduation rates, so they’re not stupid.

Nah. Depends on the sport. My son plays at an Ivy- uw 4.0/4.5, 5s AP exams and 35 ACT. Most of the sports- you need the credentials to get in or you won’t pass pre-read.

I just listened to a webinar where they said you need at least a 3.4 and 1200’s on SAT to be recruited to an ivy. That’s a shockingly low
bar.

I think there's a range to things - if you're a D1-level athlete, Dartmouth might take you if it's a really valuable sport, but that doesn't mean a 3.4 and 1200 will get you into HYP as a fencing/rowing recruit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still think that if we're getting rid of affirmative action, then we should also get rid of recruiting for sports. There is no difference between recruiting/changing the admissions requirements for a minority student vs doing the same for an athlete.

Well the athlete fills a role in the institution (they need athletes). If no consideration was given to sports, it's entirely possible that some years there simply wouldn't be enough students to fill a given sports team.

The key legal difference that makes one illegal and the other legal is that race is a protected class, while athletic status and academic achievement are not. Therefore institutions can selectively offer admissions based on athletic ability just like they selectively offer admissions based on academic ability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

You mean she wants White majority in college.

An uncomfortable fact is that affirmative action was partially motivated by suppressing Asian admits to keep white donor families comfortable. Once these schools hit 45% Asian, their social clout with affluent whites will evaporate.

That is the purpose. Anyone whose been to Berkeley has seen how exclusive majority Asian environments can be.

I think it has more to do with the chip on the shoulder that comes from being qualified for T20s yet getting rejected from them. This naturally leads to an unhealthy obsession with prestige and "proving them wrong", leading to the hyper-competitive and exclusive environment you see in Berkeley

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still think that if we're getting rid of affirmative action, then we should also get rid of recruiting for sports. There is no difference between recruiting/changing the admissions requirements for a minority student vs doing the same for an athlete.

There is a huge difference, nitwit.

Recruited for sport = you have to be excellent at your sport, better than 95% of high school kids who play your sport. This requires exceptional MERIT.

AA = you were born with the “right” skin color. No merit, pure racism.

Furthermore athletes at elite schools have to meet high academic standards, and have high graduation rates, so they’re not stupid.

Nah. Depends on the sport. My son plays at an Ivy- uw 4.0/4.5, 5s AP exams and 35 ACT. Most of the sports- you need the credentials to get in or you won’t pass pre-read.

I just listened to a webinar where they said you need at least a 3.4 and 1200’s on SAT to be recruited to an ivy. That’s a shockingly low
bar.

What webinar? This is 100% not true. Just one example: one said a 780 in math and 1520 overall SAT is required (even tho it was a TO school last year). There is a video online from a Yale coach discussing this. You either did not hear this in a webinar or the speaker is flat out wrong. Source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Turned off? Did she pretend she could get in? Why don’t you encourage her to apply to Howard University? She can get her diversity experience there.

I’m pretty sure this poster is white…black people aren’t the only ones uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment

This is really racist. If you substitute any other race for Asian in "uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment" you'd be branded a racist but somehow you think it's okay to say this.

You seem obsessed with being a victim. If the ivies were majority black or Hispanic, people would be in a goddamn frenzy. Asians aren’t the first race to have racism happen to them, but it’s also just truthful that single race environments quickly become exclusive.

Asian is not a race. Asia is a continent made up of many countries with people who are vastly different from each other.

Sigh.

Asian is a race. All races are incredibly diverse and "vastly different from each other."
What kind of person denies this reality?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

You mean she wants White majority in college.

An uncomfortable fact is that affirmative action was partially motivated by suppressing Asian admits to keep white donor families comfortable. Once these schools hit 45% Asian, their social clout with affluent whites will evaporate.

That is the purpose. Anyone whose been to Berkeley has seen how exclusive majority Asian environments can be.

I think it has more to do with the chip on the shoulder that comes from being qualified for T20s yet getting rejected from them. This naturally leads to an unhealthy obsession with prestige and "proving them wrong", leading to the hyper-competitive and exclusive environment you see in Berkeley

Berkeley is designed to be exclusive. The classes are massive, the weed outs are intense due to the volume of students, and the students are the top of the top. Match that with some of the best researchers in the world, and asian "shoulder chipping" looks a lot less like the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

That was our experience, too. All the top college tours had many Asians. Good, but not top, schools had hardly any Asians or no Asians in attendance. The Asian obsession with "brand" schools is pathetic imo.

Those Asians with their brand obsessions are the worst. Just for clarification, are we talking about the Indonesians? The Yemenis? The Chinese? The Afghans? Or the Nepalis? I know it’s hard to tell the difference. All Asians look and act alike but I’m just curious.

I live in NYC and my kids attended public school for many years. I know who these people are and I know what their ethnicity is. You're not as clever as you think you are.

Oh well, of course, if you live in NYC that changes everything. It makes your anti-Asian, racist statement way cooler and “hip”.

NP. Come on, PP. You are being disingenuous. You must know that many Asian immigrant families are only ok with their kids going to top 20 colleges. Go spend 30 minutes in Reddit “applying to college” and you will see about 100 posts about this pressure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

That was our experience, too. All the top college tours had many Asians. Good, but not top, schools had hardly any Asians or no Asians in attendance. The Asian obsession with "brand" schools is pathetic imo.

Those Asians with their brand obsessions are the worst. Just for clarification, are we talking about the Indonesians? The Yemenis? The Chinese? The Afghans? Or the Nepalis? I know it’s hard to tell the difference. All Asians look and act alike but I’m just curious.

I live in NYC and my kids attended public school for many years. I know who these people are and I know what their ethnicity is. You're not as clever as you think you are.

Oh well, of course, if you live in NYC that changes everything. It makes your anti-Asian, racist statement way cooler and “hip”.

NP. Come on, PP. You are being disingenuous. You must know that many Asian immigrant families are only ok with their kids going to top 20 colleges. Go spend 30 minutes in Reddit “applying to college” and you will see about 100 posts about this pressure.

People here will talk up about how Asian culture is to explain for their academic success, but the second you emphasize how awful it appears to grow up with the immense pressure and talk about the other cultural aspects of Asian Americans, you are labelled a racist.

[Anonymous]

People should read the New York Times piece. It tells a much more flavorful story than just SAT required, black students low score:

Officials said that the change in the composition of the class also had nothing to do with the reinstatement, two years ago, of the SAT as an entrance requirement. Last year’s class, for instance, had the highest proportion ever of students from underrepresented minorities, despite the reinstatement of the test, said Stuart Schmill, dean of admissions.

Mr. Schmill, the admissions dean of M.I.T., blamed a shortage of educational preparation in science and technology.

“Black and Hispanic students are less likely to attend high school where calculus is taught, where physics is taught, where computer science is taught,” he said.

Mr. Schmill said the university, which has emphasized efforts to reach out to students in those communities in the past, will have to redouble its efforts.

Mr. Schmill said the M.I.T. officials did not know whether fewer Black and Latino students had applied this year because they didn’t ask applicants about their race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:in 10-20 years most of these institutions will be led by Asian Americans

No, they will be led by Indian Americans. Look at the Silicon Valley.

First of all, Indians are Asians. Second, who are the current leaders of Nvidia, Broadcom and AMD?

Indian American here. I’m not Asian. Sorry. You don’t make the rules for us all.

What are you then? White?
You don’t make rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People should read the New York Times piece. It tells a much more flavorful story than just SAT required, black students low score:

Officials said that the change in the composition of the class also had nothing to do with the reinstatement, two years ago, of the SAT as an entrance requirement. Last year’s class, for instance, had the highest proportion ever of students from underrepresented minorities, despite the reinstatement of the test, said Stuart Schmill, dean of admissions.

Mr. Schmill, the admissions dean of M.I.T., blamed a shortage of educational preparation in science and technology.

“Black and Hispanic students are less likely to attend high school where calculus is taught, where physics is taught, where computer science is taught,” he said.

Mr. Schmill said the university, which has emphasized efforts to reach out to students in those communities in the past, will have to redouble its efforts.

Mr. Schmill said the M.I.T. officials did not know whether fewer Black and Latino students had applied this year because they didn’t ask applicants about their race.

What do they teach there?