Is MoCo taking advantage of Rockville's pool

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

Because they were in the pool. Sure, let’s defund it due to your tantrum.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

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It's like the Australian gold medalist at the Olympics they had a positive test for Covid, he was competing with Covid.

He was a Covid Cheater.

Logic doesn't float in swim caps does it?

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

Furthermore, in my daughter's cohort the times were dominated by the younger kids. Where are the eight-year-olds? It was weird the lanes felt empty as compared to last year. Not complaining, but it was a topic amongst parents, "there are lots of older kids and lots of younger kids."

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

It’s very confusing that they let you on the summer rays but not the winter rays. If you swim A meets in the summer it’s assumed you’ll hang around for the winter.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

That's not how I see it. Many(most) were forced to take a break during COVID - but you are the one who lost focus here and took a too extended of a break that your daughter had to basically re-learn how too swim once you re-engaged again. That completely on you - your fault and failure of imagination as to the possibilities of what was actually available were you so inclined.

The times that 7 and 8 year olds are posting do not support your supposition that "this year's 8yo class is weak" - their just isn't any difference between the current times and times from other years.

+1. Where’s his data to support this year’s 8 year olds times are weak? OP should know that the top 8U girl from the Rays is breaking numerous MCSL records this year. Yes, she is in RMSC and so were the other top Ray swimmers in that group.

Yes the data supports it. You can get the time trials for the 8u Rays. 2023 and 2024. To make Division A A-Meets in 2023 you had to have a 20second 25meter freestyls. In 2024 it dropped to 22 seconds.

So, there it is Covid Cheaters had the pools to themselves and are breaking records, everyone else was struggling to get back in the water.

It’s very confusing that they let you on the summer rays but not the winter rays. If you swim A meets in the summer it’s assumed you’ll hang around for the winter.

From an 8 year old kiddos perspective, I'd be perfectly happy with a six-month program even outdoor, the two month summer program is too short. Swimming in the winter isn't all it's cracked up to be. Most of the kids just want endless summer, but moving on to do other sports/activities in the fall is better skills/life development. I'm enjoying basketball these days bouncing a ball and doing layups in my backyard going to AAU practices is a good workout especially when paired with going to the pool a couple times a week. Through in soccer or volleyball etc. cycling. In general I feel developing a good cardio base and posture on land is very important life skill.

So, yeah from kiddos perspective the competitive swimming stuff isn't really optimal. Though it seems that most sports these days fall into the "not enough" or "too much" categories with nothing in between. When I was kid we had seasons played several different sports, went on vacation came back did preseason. I get it many of the sports have improved their training so that they train a more complete program e.g. dryland training for swimmers, but it isn't the same.

This is the real rub for me, we won't have much access to a public pool this winter because KSAC is closing, and everyone is going to make RSFC their new home. As was noted by posters, I didn't even bother trying out for RMSC this year, but I would like to have access to a pool. A pool which isn't full of Covid Cheating piddle that is.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

Who supported our darlings during covd.

Another data point supporting that kids didn't have as much access to the pool during the years after Covid. Here are the budgets.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 1,764,707 1,170,035 743,772 1,626,522 2,068,399
659,800 967,869 1,680,606 908,441 679,235

Did we really sync 1.6 million into RSFC in 2021 after it was supposedly open? Wow, and they want to tell me my kid isn't good enough.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

Who supported our darlings during covd.

Another data point supporting that kids didn't have as much access to the pool during the years after Covid. Here are the budgets.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 1,764,707 1,170,035 743,772 1,626,522 2,068,399
659,800 967,869 1,680,606 908,441 679,235

Did we really sync 1.6 million into RSFC in 2021 after it was supposedly open? Wow, and they want to tell me my kid isn't good enough.

You’re not answering the question, so you might to abandon the whole “covid kept my kid from being able to make it” argument. Troll away.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

Who supported our darlings during covd.

Another data point supporting that kids didn't have as much access to the pool during the years after Covid. Here are the budgets.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 1,764,707 1,170,035 743,772 1,626,522 2,068,399
659,800 967,869 1,680,606 908,441 679,235

Did we really sync 1.6 million into RSFC in 2021 after it was supposedly open? Wow, and they want to tell me my kid isn't good enough.

That makes perfect sense. 2021 had programming but it was limited and distanced. So some revenue coming in but not full revenue or capacity. The cost of operating the facility is relatively stagnant as long as the pool is open. So there was a big shortfall in 2021. Not surprising.

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It sounds like you don’t like the Rockville site. That’s ok. There are lots of other options for swim in Mont. Co. 4 county indoor pools. The JCC. The BCC YMCA. The Montgomery college pools. Georgetown Prep and Holton Arms pools. Piney Branch pool.

I’m sure you can find a reason why none of these options are good. We live in a world where some people tell you why they can achieve and others tell you why they can’t. You seem like a “can’t” person to me but prove me wrong.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

Who supported our darlings during covd.

Another data point supporting that kids didn't have as much access to the pool during the years after Covid. Here are the budgets.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 1,764,707 1,170,035 743,772 1,626,522 2,068,399
659,800 967,869 1,680,606 908,441 679,235

Did we really sync 1.6 million into RSFC in 2021 after it was supposedly open? Wow, and they want to tell me my kid isn't good enough.

You’re not answering the question, so you might to abandon the whole “covid kept my kid from being able to make it” argument. Troll away.

I went to the pool they had just renovated the mens locker rooms. I had reserved a lane. We were only allowed to have one swimmer in a lane. I decided that it wasn't feasible to take my daughter swimming. There were no open play areas for kiddos for example, especially since she had regressed from being able to do a freestyle. She could do freestyle, for maybe like 12 yards you know five-year-olds. We weren't allowed to share a lane. I decided to wait. In addition, we have grandparents who live nearby and help take care of the kids, they didn't think it was a good idea. The kids in school were required to wear masks at this point she was six we started going to the pool again...

So here is the timeline.

four years old covid no pool six plus months. Lane reservations no kid oriented amenities some number of months. I didn't bother checking. Kindergarten started life goes on other activities fill the gap... Summer roles around she is six. Get some pool time in go to tryouts. No good. I sign her up for lessons, which she hates at this point. BTW those lessons are crazy to get into you have to sit there and see who can click the fastest, we don't get into lessons exactly when we need them, oops strokers III is filled. I keep at it she's seven I figured out summer league( it's like word of mouth around here bless their souls.).

That brings us to the second set of tryouts. Coach bullying and what not.

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I mean it sounds like the tax-supported spending on the swim center is really minimal and must be a tiny fraction of any given resident's city taxes but maybe I am wrong.

We don't like the service though. The teams are dominated by non-resident elite freeloaders and the pools are like swimming in snot during the winter.

If MOCO can shut down KSAC why can't we shutdown RSFC? Mary Antoinette: "Let them swim at Olney".

They didn't shut down KSAC, they are spending millions to renovate it. You will be welcome there once they are finished - it should be nice.

That is a long time for kiddos. OOps sorry drive to Silver Spring they built two facilities there. Keep in mind my daughter already missed out on a year and a half or two years of swimming from Covid. Not just my kiddo either. USA Swimming lost like 18,000 swimmers. It was really obvious who was able to "get in" to the competitive programs early, because everyone else was high and dry.

https://swimswam.com/usa-swimming-membership-declines-4-6-in-2023-after-promising-post-pandemic-growth-in-2022/

Is she going to be able to make RMSC in two years. I don't think so. Curse of the crummy coach strikes again. Way to keep the troll on a roll.

Your daughter did not miss two years due to Covid and Covid was what 4 years ago. No one can say if your daughter will get in. Rockville is the hardest.

Yeah, kids were wearing masks at school we didn't think to take her to the pool even if it were open. Little kindergarteners, it was sad. I hope that makes sense. Clearly to the elites amongst us who were practicing at the pool nearly the entire time it doesn't. We were hanging out at the park. She could do monkey bars two by two forward and backward. Skin-the-cats, German hangs etc. I put up gym rings in our foyer. Even then, I am not from around here so summer leagues are new to me. I asked at KSAC about teams ("Did you try the stroke and turn clinic"), I met guy at the barber who does pool maintenance he said, "Get her on a summer league." See how hinky the elites are about their pools. I was at the pool and asking about these things, and all they could say was take this class, which by the way won't even get you into RMSC. So yeah, it took us two years to get back into swimming after Covid.

You mean she did not start swim till two years ago. You are really nasty. Many kids start much younger than k. After minis there are very few spots.

I took her to the pool at six months, I had her in a swim school by two, she could do a freestyle at 3.. then Covid. She completely forgot how to swim, we had to start over.

Exactly. You choose not to have her swim for a few years. Other kids were better. Put her in lessons 3-4 times a week so she can improve and stop being entitled. Covid shut things down for six months. Everyone took a break.

You must have missed the link above, this year's 8yo class is weak and for the most part they are all being locked out of USA Swimming clubs. You can go duck duck it in Swim Swam 18,000 swimmers dropped.

Another way to look at it is that the club teams are Covid Cheaters and don't deserve their spots.

This year’s crop of 8 year olds were only 4 when the pandemic started. Your child didn’t get cut from RMSC Rockville because of the pandemic. If you wanted her to make the team for the 2024-2025 season as an 8 year old mini she should have been swimming regularly during the 2023-2024 school year, and probably the 2022-2023 school year as well. The pandemic pool shutdowns were from spring 2020 through the summer 2020. There is no reason for you to have not had your kid back in the pool starting in 2022 if this was so weirdly important to you.

How do explain the inanely patronizing statements your compatriots at dcum make though? Safety violation shouldn't be reported. Public facilities don't need fair tryouts.

Explain that. 

None of that has anything to do with whether the pandemic kept your kid from making RMSC Rockville’s team. It didn’t. I’ve been a swim parent for a minute and you come across as crazy as they come.

The forum would probably converge much faster if people didn't get to pick and choose the points and topics they wanted to respond. The topic here is whether or not non-residents are taking advantage of the Rockville Pool. So you have some data to contribute to that. I'd like to see a break down on how many non-residents there are.

Someone brought up the point that RMSC is a long-term competitive program, and I was just pointing out that this may not be as sound of a claim as it would seem. There are definitely inconsistencies between what top swimming athlete's attributes and who are in RMSC. Height may be one inconsistency. I don't think they are delving into muscle fiber composition or metabolic capacity either if you know what I mean.

Let's face it. It's a social club, full of patronizing parents. The kids in there are nothing special. They swim three, four, five days a week all year round and have times nominally faster (and in many cases slower) than top summer league swimmers.

Well, you went down the side tangent of claiming the pandemic made it so your child wasn’t a strong enough swimmer to make the team. You’re right, there are plenty of average swimmers at every club, even the highly competitive ones, but that’s largely because once you make the team you don’t get cut even if you made the team at age 6 and at 10 are a slower than B swimmer.

They didn't like being called Covid cheaters did they. I don't see how she was supposed to be making the team having not been in the pool prior to the tryouts. It's pretty sad though that they can't make it later. We really need to defund this program. Phelps didn't even start until he was seven.

I don’t know how better to spell this out, but the Covid shutdowns were 4 years ago. Many clubs did not take new swimmers during the 2020-2021 season, but they did starting with the 2021-2022 season. The county swim programs were back up and running as well. What is the reason your child wasn’t in the pool from that point onward if it was this important to you?

Who supported our darlings during covd.

Another data point supporting that kids didn't have as much access to the pool during the years after Covid. Here are the budgets.

2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
RSFC Expended 2,424,507 2,137,904 2,424,378 2,534,963 2,747,634
RSFC Revenue 1,764,707 1,170,035 743,772 1,626,522 2,068,399
659,800 967,869 1,680,606 908,441 679,235

Did we really sync 1.6 million into RSFC in 2021 after it was supposedly open? Wow, and they want to tell me my kid isn't good enough.

You’re not answering the question, so you might to abandon the whole “covid kept my kid from being able to make it” argument. Troll away.

I went to the pool they had just renovated the mens locker rooms. I had reserved a lane. We were only allowed to have one swimmer in a lane. I decided that it wasn't feasible to take my daughter swimming. There were no open play areas for kiddos for example, especially since she had regressed from being able to do a freestyle. She could do freestyle, for maybe like 12 yards you know five-year-olds. We weren't allowed to share a lane. I decided to wait. In addition, we have grandparents who live nearby and help take care of the kids, they didn't think it was a good idea. The kids in school were required to wear masks at this point she was six we started going to the pool again...

So here is the timeline.

four years old covid no pool six plus months. Lane reservations no kid oriented amenities some number of months. I didn't bother checking. Kindergarten started life goes on other activities fill the gap... Summer roles around she is six. Get some pool time in go to tryouts. No good. I sign her up for lessons, which she hates at this point. BTW those lessons are crazy to get into you have to sit there and see who can click the fastest, we don't get into lessons exactly when we need them, oops strokers III is filled. I keep at it she's seven I figured out summer league( it's like word of mouth around here bless their souls.).

That brings us to the second set of tryouts. Coach bullying and what not.

So during covid my DC also lost all swim skills. Know what we did? Months of _outdoor_ swim with strict social distancing rules in compliance with county regulations, in a heated pool. Just because it was hard doesn't mean it wasn't available.