Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with his core premise—- it’s much better , in most cases, for a child to be raised by parents/grandparents vs daycare. Universal daycare is what is eww in this discussion.

I do too. Totally.

I would also like to point out that this audio is clearly edited... who knows what is spliced or missing. And, it is an article from Salon, so that makes it even more questionable.
Having said that, if advocating for having a grandparent assist with the care of a newborn infant is misogynistic, call me a misogynist. I like when he pointed out that she could have just continued working and given some of her salary to help them out, but she chose to help with the care itself.
And, I say this as someone who is currently in this exact position.... and I'm not Indian. A grandmother who is lucky enough to help with the care of her grandchild during the critical first years of development. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

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It's beyond telling that liberals are objecting to his point - that having a grandparent care for your kids is a wonderful thing. My own mom did something very similar and we all benefitted from it. My kids grew so close to her and didn't have to attend daycare. Bonus all around.

I mean, many millions of people have had help from grandparents for generations. Why is it a political stance now and why is it partisan? Why are Republicans even talking about this? If they're not talking about a policy decision related to it that could benefit families, then they just need to get off this subject. There are two wars going on and could they discuss health care, environmental or housing issues, perhaps? Maybe choose not to be a guest on podcasts and shows that can't get beyond these family issues? They won't.

Quit gaslighting. He sat there and had the discussion. He didn’t change the subject, shut it down, or indicate he disagreed with the premise. He jumped right on in.

And, cry harder. Your guy is a deeply creepy weirdo with a menstrual fetish.

Also, maybe I can’t fathom that because I’m a post-menopausal woman without grandkids. Thus, I am dried up, and have little to no societal value because I am unable to fulfill my primary role in JD Vance’s dystopian world view. If he had his way, I’d be a Martha, an Aubt or sent to the colonies.

I have no value or role according to Vance. I guess he missed the part where in a voter from NC. Which makes me pretty important this election. Maybe insulting me wasn’t his best idea (although maybe not his worst either— he has so many terrible takes).

In related news, at a minimum, JD Vance thought engaging in a discussion about the societal value/ proper role of “post menopausal woman” was appropriate. Unless you want to point to where he said women are complex people with many roles that benefit society? (He do not say this).

As if whether I bleed and how often is his business or in anyway defines my worth as a human. His fascination with all things menstrual is, well, WEIRD, in a put your hand on the pepper spray and cross the street way.

And- I had two kids, now in their early 20s and this pisses me off. How do you think this plays with infertile women, and childless car ladies? As HRC showed us, insulting the electorate is a very bad idea. And Trump/JD needs UMc suburban Gen X and Boomer to win. Believe me, he is losing my demo in droves.

He isn’t playing 4D chess. Or discussing serious policy positions— because the GoP is against the policy positions that would make us possible for parents and grandparents to take time off to care for kids— like paid parental leave and the child tax credit. If he was serious about this as a policy position and not just pandering to incels, there would be actual policy proposals. (Narrators voice: the GOP has no such policy proposals).

Pound sand. Ask JD to do the same— if you can get him to quit pounding sofas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with his core premise—- it’s much better , in most cases, for a child to be raised by parents/grandparents vs daycare. Universal daycare is what is eww in this discussion.

I do too. Totally.

I would also like to point out that this audio is clearly edited... who knows what is spliced or missing. And, it is an article from Salon, so that makes it even more questionable.
Having said that, if advocating for having a grandparent assist with the care of a newborn infant is misogynistic, call me a misogynist. I like when he pointed out that she could have just continued working and given some of her salary to help them out, but she chose to help with the care itself.
And, I say this as someone who is currently in this exact position.... and I'm not Indian. A grandmother who is lucky enough to help with the care of her grandchild during the critical first years of development. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

+100
It's beyond telling that liberals are objecting to his point - that having a grandparent care for your kids is a wonderful thing. My own mom did something very similar and we all benefitted from it. My kids grew so close to her and didn't have to attend daycare. Bonus all around.

I mean, many millions of people have had help from grandparents for generations. Why is it a political stance now and why is it partisan? Why are Republicans even talking about this? If they're not talking about a policy decision related to it that could benefit families, then they just need to get off this subject. There are two wars going on and could they discuss health care, environmental or housing issues, perhaps? Maybe choose not to be a guest on podcasts and shows that can't get beyond these family issues? They won't.

Quit gaslighting. He sat there and had the discussion. He didn’t change the subject, shut it down, or indicate he disagreed with the premise. He jumped right on in.

And, cry harder. Your guy is a deeply creepy weirdo with a menstrual fetish.

Also, maybe I can’t fathom that because I’m a post-menopausal woman without grandkids. Thus, I am dried up, and have little to no societal value because I am unable to fulfill my primary role in JD Vance’s dystopian world view. If he had his way, I’d be a Martha, an Aubt or sent to the colonies.

I have no value or role according to Vance. I guess he missed the part where in a voter from NC. Which makes me pretty important this election. Maybe insulting me wasn’t his best idea (although maybe not his worst either— he has so many terrible takes).

In related news, at a minimum, JD Vance thought engaging in a discussion about the societal value/ proper role of “post menopausal woman” was appropriate. Unless you want to point to where he said women are complex people with many roles that benefit society? (He do not say this).

As if whether I bleed and how often is his business or in anyway defines my worth as a human. His fascination with all things menstrual is, well, WEIRD, in a put your hand on the pepper spray and cross the street way.

And- I had two kids, now in their early 20s and this pisses me off. How do you think this plays with infertile women, and childless car ladies? As HRC showed us, insulting the electorate is a very bad idea. And Trump/JD needs UMc suburban Gen X and Boomer to win. Believe me, he is losing my demo in droves.

He isn’t playing 4D chess. Or discussing serious policy positions— because the GoP is against the policy positions that would make us possible for parents and grandparents to take time off to care for kids— like paid parental leave and the child tax credit. If he was serious about this as a policy position and not just pandering to incels, there would be actual policy proposals. (Narrators voice: the GOP has no such policy proposals).

Pound sand. Ask JD to do the same— if you can get him to quit pounding sofas.

He seems to be playing chutes and ladders and keeps getting the chute.

[Anonymous]

Why doesn’t everyone just marry into a multi millionaire family with foreign government connected in laws who can casually take leaves from their cushy Ivory Tower bureaucrat gigs and fly across the country to live with you? No brainer amirite.

Funny that JD abandoned his Ohio family to live in DC. In Ohio his mum and sister (who’s married with 3 kids) could assist with child care.

But JD is an elitist or psychopath who hates his own family and hates where he comes from — yet he’s the Senator of the state and will trot them out once in a while for political points.

[Anonymous]

He has such a weird way of talking. He says "My wife had this baby."

That sounds odd to me, hearing a father refer to their child as this baby versus "Larla" or our child or something similar.

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Anonymous wrote:He has such a weird way of talking. He says "My wife had this baby."

That sounds odd to me, hearing a father refer to their child as this baby versus "Larla" or our child or something similar.

He's just a socially awkward human being. His wife probably is too or she would have found a better option.

[Anonymous]

America is suffering from an epidemic of fat, ugly, mean spirited misogynists and it makes me wish we had a hot war going. Men like Vance forget that significant proportions of men were typically wiped out in wars and cannon fodder was historically the main use of lower class men of peasant stock like him. This age in which the local idiot has the luxury of an internet connection and can sit around spewing hatred about women is no good.

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Anonymous wrote:America is suffering from an epidemic of fat, ugly, mean spirited misogynists and it makes me wish we had a hot war going. Men like Vance forget that significant proportions of men were typically wiped out in wars and cannon fodder was historically the main use of lower class men of peasant stock like him. This age in which the local idiot has the luxury of an internet connection and can sit around spewing hatred about women is no good.

Based and eugenics-pilled

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He has such a weird way of talking. He says "My wife had this baby."

That sounds odd to me, hearing a father refer to their child as this baby versus "Larla" or our child or something similar.

Likely a rhetorical slip teasing out the babies weren’t conceived during sex but in a doctor’s office with IVF.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He has such a weird way of talking. He says "My wife had this baby."

That sounds odd to me, hearing a father refer to their child as this baby versus "Larla" or our child or something similar.

He's just a socially awkward human being. His wife probably is too or she would have found a better option.

A better option? He’s a famous multimillionaire US Senator who may be a heartbeat away from being an early 40s POTUS in November.

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Anonymous wrote:Why doesn’t everyone just marry into a multi millionaire family with foreign government connected in laws who can casually take leaves from their cushy Ivory Tower bureaucrat gigs and fly across the country to live with you? No brainer amirite.

Funny that JD abandoned his Ohio family to live in DC. In Ohio his mum and sister (who’s married with 3 kids) could assist with child care.

But JD is an elitist psychopath who hates his own family and hates where he comes from — yet he’s the Senator of the state and will trot them out once in a while for political points.

“Why can’t every aging grandmother be as amazing as my rich Indian in laws? Anyways, here’s my former crack whore mother who I live 700 miles away from even though I’m her junior senator.”

[Anonymous]

They should've expanded the topic to when grandma gets too old or sick and requires round-clock care. Is Vance going to be changing her overnight diapers?

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Having a grandparent care for your kids is a wonderful thing. You know what isn't a wonderful thing?

Agreeing that this is the only thing the grandmother is good for anymore.

Well since that’s not what was “agreed on,” you don’t need to fret.

He literally said that is post-menopausal women's only purpose

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with his core premise—- it’s much better , in most cases, for a child to be raised by parents/grandparents vs daycare. Universal daycare is what is eww in this discussion.

I do too. Totally.

I would also like to point out that this audio is clearly edited... who knows what is spliced or missing. And, it is an article from Salon, so that makes it even more questionable.
Having said that, if advocating for having a grandparent assist with the care of a newborn infant is misogynistic, call me a misogynist. I like when he pointed out that she could have just continued working and given some of her salary to help them out, but she chose to help with the care itself.
And, I say this as someone who is currently in this exact position.... and I'm not Indian. A grandmother who is lucky enough to help with the care of her grandchild during the critical first years of development. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

That's wonderful but many grandparents are still working, many are infirm, many kids have moved far from home so the grandparents aren't there to help, my own parents have a little of both - my father is still working and my mother has a debilitating disease that would make it impossible for her to have helped even if the kids were still close by enough for them to help to the degree that daycare wouldn't have been necessary.

But it's nice that you've figured out all the secrets to life.

I think it would be a really nice policy to mandate for a one year sabbatical for any person who wants to take care of any other person- whether it is a child, parent, grandchild, partner, or even a friend.

Imagine how many people that would help, how many people wouldn’t be alone at the end of their lives, how many children would have a loving caregiver, how many unmarried people could have care from someone who loves them.

Still waiting for Republicans to propose this!

You mean go a year without pay but have your job held open while you're out? Sounds very doable.

First of all, going for a year without pay is not doable for the vast majority of Americans.

Second of all, FMLA is 3 months without pay, not a year. And I don’t think it applies to anyone except parents are caregivers, not grandparents.

Third—the party fighting things line parental leave (forget paid parental leave), the child tax credit and other policies that would make it financially possible to take time off is.. not the Democrats.

If you look on the jobs and careers section of this board, a lot of right wing hate that Feds finally got paid parental leave— from the right wing.

If you want parents (not mothers and grandmothers— parents) to take a year off, make it a policy position, like Dems do. So *people, parents, grandparents* can do this and not lose their house and starve. And have their job protected.

Fourth— postmenopausal women? Ewww. What a weirdo. Why does he care about my period so much? He spends so much time discussing whether I bleed each month. He wants me to report my periods, be restricted in what I can do if I miss one, care for my grandkids if they stop. Just gross.

I am the PP and I was being sarcastic. Of course it's not doable. It's not doable for the people who want the time off - or for the business that has to hold a job open for a year.

[Anonymous]

The vibes on JD Vance are horrible. Very creepy, authoritarian looking, and controlling dude. Reminds me of the Texas Christians that tell me IVF children have no soul. Yes I’ve heard that said out loud. And these people vote Republican.

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On top of the wannabe authoritarian’s other archaic views of women, the Ohio senator revealed to Fox News Wednesday that he doesn’t believe it’s “normal” for suburban women to care about their reproductive rights.

“What do you say to suburban women out there who are marinating in this propaganda?” prompted Fox News host Laura Ingraham, claiming that some women have fallen into the belief that abortion is banned nationally.

“Well, first of all, I don’t buy that, Laura,” Vance said. “I think most suburban women care about the normal things that most Americans care about.”

https://newrepublic.com/post/184896/jd-vance-claim-women-voters-rights

he's trying to make women who are fighting for their rights sound abnormal or weird. sorry vance, that won't work - it's you that is the outlier with fringe views.

He is making this fatal mistake of continually insulting vast swaths of voters- childless women, post menopausal women, working women, people who love cats…. Has this friendless loser ever met a cat lover???

You do not F with people who love cats!!🐈‍⬛

How does anyone think this “trained lawyer” is going to debate a normal? He is so completely out of touch and living on another planet.

I agree with everything you said except that I think Vance will be a good debater. He said he doesn't mind being aggressive and he can't wait to attack Walz on his military experience. Vance is undignified and will enjoy hitting below the belt despite Walz being a thoroughly decent person who has a great service record. Vance has no shame.

I don't disagree, but I would add that Vance has this extremely bizarre tendency to insult the voting public, despite all his education and all his training... that's not going to go well in a debate no matter how good he is at attacking Walz.

I suspect Walz’s having taught HS will provide him some skill at dealing with self-involved, immature males who can’t see the fullness of others.