I live in Takoma Park. I’m voting for Trump!

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We can only hope that if Trump wins every pro-Trump person enjoys what he does for them

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the posts here remind me of arguments I used to have with my ex. He considered himself to be a logical person and since he felt he came to his position logically, it was only logical that if I disagreed it was because I was being illogical and emotional. The idea that a complex issue might have some gray areas which could mean that logic led us both to different but equally valid conclusions, or that he might even, occasionally, actually be wrong was inconceivable to him, because he smugly rested on the superiority of his logic to whatever alternative led me to an inferior conclusion that disagreed with his.

Something I’ve seen repeatedly from Democrats, both on this thread and in everyday interactions is the attitude that because they are good people who oppose racism, sexism, homophobia, etc., anyone who disagrees with them must therefore be an evil person who is racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. Unless of course, the person disagreeing with the Democratic party line belongs to a subgroup the Democrats are invested in defending, in which case the individual is considered merely stupid, but not evil.

This automatic polarization overlooks the complexity of both issues and individuals. Both parties support a wide variety of issues which may encompass issues that individual voters may disagree with. Look at the controversy over Israel’s handling of Gaza. Saying that all Democrats want the genocide of Palestinians because Biden supported Israel after the October attack is as ridiculous as saying that all Democrats are anti-semitic neo-nazis because college students were protesting the subsequent Israeli actions that were having devastating effects on Palestinian civilians. Both sides are right that the loss of innocent lives is an outrageous tragedy, but most Democrats are probably not factoring the Gaza situation into their votes at all.

Some Republicans may be pro-life, pro-gun, pro-charter schools, anti-environment, anti-Obamacare, anti-union, . . . , even anti-constitution - but not all. Virtually all Republicans will disagree with some part of the Republican platform and prefer the Democratic position on some issue(s), opening up the possibility for a potential ally on the specific issue(s) and even the potential to swing the vote, IF you’re not so determined to chase them away because of their inherent evil evident in their disagreement with you.

Sure, given the millions of individuals who vote Republican, like any large group, some are bound to be bad actors, and the same holds true for those who vote Democrat. However, the bulk of voters on both sides sincerely want good things for both Americans as individuals and for the country as a whole, but they may disagree on what individual goals represent the greater good and how best to achieve them. If we all give the other side the benefit of the doubt that we’re all working towards the common good, then maybe we can find enough common ground to make some progress, even while we agree to disagree on the rest.

I used to think that Republicans and Democrats saw the same problems and shared the same values — but differed somewhat on solutions and policies to implement those solutions. Now the party of Newt Gingrich, the Party of Mitch McConnell, the party of Donald Trump is something very different. Issues aside, in Donald Trump, I see a hate-fueled bigot with signs of dementia on top of some massively destructive long-standing issues. Voting for Donald Trump is not the same thing as voting for Larry Hogan. The “bad actors” are now driving the party. “Agree to disagree” doesn’t quite cut it when the stakes are so high for some of us.
— Black American who doesn’t have the luxury of seeing this as an intellectual difference in how we prioritize our grey areas.

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Anonymous wrote:TP conservative here. I have a feeling there are a fair number of us, just not advertised with yard signs.

True conservatives aren't pro trump.

They are now when the other option is a socialist who's trying to take away my private health insurance.

Lol. Is that what FOX has told you? Yet you’re fine with taking away Grandma’s Medicare? I guess you don’t expect to live long enough to need it?

For the sake of your argument, having a public option won’t take away your option to purchase private platinum level plans for yourself, or to pay out of pocket for providers and services that aren’t covered by a plan.

No kamala's own mouth thats where I heard it.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of the posts here remind me of arguments I used to have with my ex. He considered himself to be a logical person and since he felt he came to his position logically, it was only logical that if I disagreed it was because I was being illogical and emotional. The idea that a complex issue might have some gray areas which could mean that logic led us both to different but equally valid conclusions, or that he might even, occasionally, actually be wrong was inconceivable to him, because he smugly rested on the superiority of his logic to whatever alternative led me to an inferior conclusion that disagreed with his.

Something I’ve seen repeatedly from Democrats, both on this thread and in everyday interactions is the attitude that because they are good people who oppose racism, sexism, homophobia, etc., anyone who disagrees with them must therefore be an evil person who is racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. Unless of course, the person disagreeing with the Democratic party line belongs to a subgroup the Democrats are invested in defending, in which case the individual is considered merely stupid, but not evil.

This automatic polarization overlooks the complexity of both issues and individuals. Both parties support a wide variety of issues which may encompass issues that individual voters may disagree with. Look at the controversy over Israel’s handling of Gaza. Saying that all Democrats want the genocide of Palestinians because Biden supported Israel after the October attack is as ridiculous as saying that all Democrats are anti-semitic neo-nazis because college students were protesting the subsequent Israeli actions that were having devastating effects on Palestinian civilians. Both sides are right that the loss of innocent lives is an outrageous tragedy, but most Democrats are probably not factoring the Gaza situation into their votes at all.

Some Republicans may be pro-life, pro-gun, pro-charter schools, anti-environment, anti-Obamacare, anti-union, . . . , even anti-constitution - but not all. Virtually all Republicans will disagree with some part of the Republican platform and prefer the Democratic position on some issue(s), opening up the possibility for a potential ally on the specific issue(s) and even the potential to swing the vote, IF you’re not so determined to chase them away because of their inherent evil evident in their disagreement with you.

Sure, given the millions of individuals who vote Republican, like any large group, some are bound to be bad actors, and the same holds true for those who vote Democrat. However, the bulk of voters on both sides sincerely want good things for both Americans as individuals and for the country as a whole, but they may disagree on what individual goals represent the greater good and how best to achieve them. If we all give the other side the benefit of the doubt that we’re all working towards the common good, then maybe we can find enough common ground to make some progress, even while we agree to disagree on the rest.

I think most of us understand that Republicans don't agree with everything on the party platform. What we also understand - and which is inherent in voting for the party - is that you're saying that what you do agree with is more valuable and worth sacrificing the lives and liberties of your fellow citizens. In 2016 when people voted for Trump the first time, they did in in spite of the awful rhetoric against brown people that was central to his campaign. And sure enough, some of the first things he did was target brown people traveling into the country legally. I remember traveling for work and seeing that a fellow government worker of Indian descent was targeted and detained simply for being brown. He was a NASA scientist, contributing to our society, and yet it was worth it to Trump voters to sacrifice this guy's freedom to move about the country. And for what? Tax cuts that only benefit the rich? So you can own a gun (which Democrats have never taken away from you)?

Well said. We're not talking about Romney here or Bush or even McConnell or Jeff Flake. Trump is a different and much more dangerous strain.

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Anonymous wrote:TP conservative here. I have a feeling there are a fair number of us, just not advertised with yard signs.

True conservatives aren't pro trump.

They are now when the other option is a socialist who's trying to take away my private health insurance.

Nope. True conservatives are never Trumpers.

Your full of it. That's just not even remotely true. SMH.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha! I was surprised to see "women for Trump" in my NOVA ultra liberal neighborhood, mostly it is military renters. I dont judge, though I know the neighborhood does.

I judge. Silently. I'd literally ever say anything, but I would think OP is stupid.

BTW you are probably Latina from one of the countries that had trouble with socialism. Trump brings us closer to that because he's a populist president. Look at his words in context of our history and country, not that of a different country.

OP here and yes I am a Latina immigrant but I will remind you that I am not a Republican, I am registered independent. I actually agree with Democrats about a lot of things and I don’t think they are “socialist” in that way.
My one issue is immigration. Try to understand from my perspective. I came here legally, I worked REALLY HARD to follow the process, obey all the rules, and work my way up once I got here. I worked hard and earned my citizenship to have safety and a better life for my family. Now our chaotic border policy, whether you agree that it’s “open borders” or not, they are letting in the very people I worked so hard to escape. Violent criminals and gangs that come here and get amnesty. You say that violent criminals are not allowed here and get deported but they are getting through the cracks and have shown up here in Montgomery County making it less safe. So I am voting for Trump to close all the holes in our border policy. Enough already. And I would be happy to engage with my neighbors if they wanted to know why I’m voting for Trump. If they knew my story they would understand how angry I am about this. Imagine spending over a decade of your life doing everything correctly and finally feeling yourself free of a country run by violent gangs only to have your new home open to the same gangs you thought you were safe from.

I am 15:21, also Latina. I agree with much of what you are saying, especially illegal immigration. There are so many like us, but we are quiet about it because (see all of these comments). My family is voting for Trump. I am not. They said they are not voting for the person but for the ideas the party holds. We live in Maryland so ultimately it does not matter, but many Latinos feel the same way.

DP. How does your family feel about the 2nd point on the Republican Party Platform?

Note that the plan to “carry out the largest deportation operation in American history” history says nothing about “illegal immigrants “. Does this trouble the Latino Republican voters at all?

We are US citizens.
But to answer your question, it does not bother any legal immigrants that I personally know.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha! I was surprised to see "women for Trump" in my NOVA ultra liberal neighborhood, mostly it is military renters. I dont judge, though I know the neighborhood does.

I judge. Silently. I'd literally ever say anything, but I would think OP is stupid.

BTW you are probably Latina from one of the countries that had trouble with socialism. Trump brings us closer to that because he's a populist president. Look at his words in context of our history and country, not that of a different country.

OP here and yes I am a Latina immigrant but I will remind you that I am not a Republican, I am registered independent. I actually agree with Democrats about a lot of things and I don’t think they are “socialist” in that way.
My one issue is immigration. Try to understand from my perspective. I came here legally, I worked REALLY HARD to follow the process, obey all the rules, and work my way up once I got here. I worked hard and earned my citizenship to have safety and a better life for my family. Now our chaotic border policy, whether you agree that it’s “open borders” or not, they are letting in the very people I worked so hard to escape. Violent criminals and gangs that come here and get amnesty. You say that violent criminals are not allowed here and get deported but they are getting through the cracks and have shown up here in Montgomery County making it less safe. So I am voting for Trump to close all the holes in our border policy. Enough already. And I would be happy to engage with my neighbors if they wanted to know why I’m voting for Trump. If they knew my story they would understand how angry I am about this. Imagine spending over a decade of your life doing everything correctly and finally feeling yourself free of a country run by violent gangs only to have your new home open to the same gangs you thought you were safe from.

I have spent 20 years legally in the US, trying to get a green card, OP, and my battle is still not over.

I am still very sympathetic towards migrants escaping gangs and poverty.

I would never, ever, vote for a serial liar, rapist, cruel and mentally disturbed individual such as Trump. I know such a candidate in my home country - I have always voted to keep that person out of power.

You are ignorant and stupid. I feel sorry for you.

Social media really did a number on you and a few other posters on this thread. It's truly incredible. I feel sorry about your ignorance.

I don't use social media. I subscribe to legitimate news organizations in my home country, BBC News and a few in the US, such as the Wall Street Journal. I am highly educated in a STEM field. We are talking about FACTS.

The shoe is definitely on the other foot.

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Anonymous wrote:My motto is, don't invite trouble where there is none.

Are you saying there is no trouble right now? Dems have ignored crime, immigration and inflation for 4 years now. Didn't address it at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Spanish TV propaganda goes hard.

This. They are used to dictators like Bolsonaro and Maduro or wackos like Milei that Trump sounds great. That and slamming the door behind them when they immigrated to the USA.

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Anonymous wrote:Would it be unadvisable for me to put out a Trump yard sign? What do you think would happen?

Nobody knows that I’m voting for Trump. I’m a legal immigrant and registered independent. I want to exercise my right to free speech, and it would say a lot positively about America to be unafraid to dissent from the opinion of 90% around me. But do you think I would risk vandalism or social harm to my family?

NP. Have not read the rest of the thread. Unfortunately I do consider this a safety issue for you and your family. I would be more worried about physical harm than social harm, and it’s definitely possible. Be careful.

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Anonymous wrote:You’ll be ostracized.

Most definitely.

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Anonymous wrote:TP conservative here. I have a feeling there are a fair number of us, just not advertised with yard signs.

3%. And that’s voters, not lawn sign level supporters.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html

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Anonymous wrote:TP conservative here. I have a feeling there are a fair number of us, just not advertised with yard signs.

True conservatives aren't pro trump.

They are now when the other option is a socialist who's trying to take away my private health insurance.

Nope. True conservatives are never Trumpers.

Your full of it. That's just not even remotely true. SMH.

Yes.it.is. True conservatives care about fiscal responsibility.

Under Trump, the deficit rose by 7.8 trillion (twice what Biden spent). Trump wants to be in charge of the Federal Reserve, that is literally crazy and wreak havoc on our financial system. He is a right wing culture warrior and most certainly not a conservative. Which is unsurprising since he used to be a Democrat donating to Kamala Harris.

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

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Anonymous wrote:TP conservative here. I have a feeling there are a fair number of us, just not advertised with yard signs.

3%. And that’s voters, not lawn sign level supporters.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html

Conservatives are not the problem. People who vote for Trump are the problem. The two are distinct categories.

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Anonymous wrote:My motto is, don't invite trouble where there is none.

Are you saying there is no trouble right now? Dems have ignored crime, immigration and inflation for 4 years now. Didn't address it at all.

These are FOX News talking points. The crime rate is down. It’s just you are listening to Fox News and their lies and believing the propaganda. Laura Ingraham recently talked about how crime ridden Minnesota is and said “If you know Minnesota— and I know it well, especially Milwaukee — it's changed," she said.” In case you are stupid like her: Milwaukee, the city she knows so well, is in Wisconsin. You also seemed to have forgotten that Congress wanted to pass immigration legislation, but Trump torpedoed it for political purposes.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/us-crime-rate-still-dropping-says-fbi-rcna144100