
Pro tip - this post doesn’t hit the way you think it does. You are driving people away with this. I mean if that’s your intention then you have succeeded admirably. |
A lot of the posts here remind me of arguments I used to have with my ex. He considered himself to be a logical person and since he felt he came to his position logically, it was only logical that if I disagreed it was because I was being illogical and emotional. The idea that a complex issue might have some gray areas which could mean that logic led us both to different but equally valid conclusions, or that he might even, occasionally, actually be wrong was inconceivable to him, because he smugly rested on the superiority of his logic to whatever alternative led me to an inferior conclusion that disagreed with his.
Something I’ve seen repeatedly from Democrats, both on this thread and in everyday interactions is the attitude that because they are good people who oppose racism, sexism, homophobia, etc., anyone who disagrees with them must therefore be an evil person who is racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. Unless of course, the person disagreeing with the Democratic party line belongs to a subgroup the Democrats are invested in defending, in which case the individual is considered merely stupid, but not evil. This automatic polarization overlooks the complexity of both issues and individuals. Both parties support a wide variety of issues which may encompass issues that individual voters may disagree with. Look at the controversy over Israel’s handling of Gaza. Saying that all Democrats want the genocide of Palestinians because Biden supported Israel after the October attack is as ridiculous as saying that all Democrats are anti-semitic neo-nazis because college students were protesting the subsequent Israeli actions that were having devastating effects on Palestinian civilians. Both sides are right that the loss of innocent lives is an outrageous tragedy, but most Democrats are probably not factoring the Gaza situation into their votes at all. Some Republicans may be pro-life, pro-gun, pro-charter schools, anti-environment, anti-Obamacare, anti-union, . . . , even anti-constitution - but not all. Virtually all Republicans will disagree with some part of the Republican platform and prefer the Democratic position on some issue(s), opening up the possibility for a potential ally on the specific issue(s) and even the potential to swing the vote, IF you’re not so determined to chase them away because of their inherent evil evident in their disagreement with you. Sure, given the millions of individuals who vote Republican, like any large group, some are bound to be bad actors, and the same holds true for those who vote Democrat. However, the bulk of voters on both sides sincerely want good things for both Americans as individuals and for the country as a whole, but they may disagree on what individual goals represent the greater good and how best to achieve them. If we all give the other side the benefit of the doubt that we’re all working towards the common good, then maybe we can find enough common ground to make some progress, even while we agree to disagree on the rest. |
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DP. How does your family feel about the 2nd point on the Republican Party Platform? Note that the plan to “carry out the largest deportation operation in American history” history says nothing about “illegal immigrants “. Does this trouble the Latino Republican voters at all? |
My motto is, don't invite trouble where there is none. |
To Add: This is a country that had legal racial segregation within living memory, and that put Japanese Americans but not German Americans in camps. The official treatment of Native Americans would take books to describe. It’s hard for me to understand what ideas your family is supporting, and whether they’re comfortable with the whole package of what they’ll be voting for. I’d very much appreciate your take on this. |
Thank you for posting this, OP. I live in Cleveland Park and I'm voting for Trump too, as is everyone in my immediate family of voting age. |
Montgomery County voted almost 80% for Biden and under 20% for Trump. I imagine it will be similar if not more so against Trump, he may get Robin Ficker numbers. And that’s the whole county which has some relatively conservative areas. Places like Takoma Park and Silver Spring vote basically along the same partisan lines of DC, which is 90% Dem. In fact I would actually say Takoma Park and Silver Spring are to the left of DC, not on partisan lines but on the type of candidates they elect. People like Elrich, Mink, and Jawando are way to the left of Bowser. |
I think most of us understand that Republicans don't agree with everything on the party platform. What we also understand - and which is inherent in voting for the party - is that you're saying that what you do agree with is more valuable and worth sacrificing the lives and liberties of your fellow citizens. In 2016 when people voted for Trump the first time, they did in in spite of the awful rhetoric against brown people that was central to his campaign. And sure enough, some of the first things he did was target brown people traveling into the country legally. I remember traveling for work and seeing that a fellow government worker of Indian descent was targeted and detained simply for being brown. He was a NASA scientist, contributing to our society, and yet it was worth it to Trump voters to sacrifice this guy's freedom to move about the country. And for what? Tax cuts that only benefit the rich? So you can own a gun (which Democrats have never taken away from you)? |
Just because you make things up in your sick, sick head doesn't make them true pp. |
Foreigner on a visa you replied to, and green card candidate. Correct, I am not nice to people who support Trump. I have no beef against conservatives, my family runs the gamut between ultra-conservative Catholics and proto-communists! Everyone is welcome to have intellectually-solid opinions and vote accordingly. There is a good case to be made for a conservative ticket, I do not dispute that. But voting for Trump?!?! That's different. He's not decent. He has no opinions. He's only in it for himself. Pence, Romney, McCain, Bush, are or were fundamentally decent individuals, at least. Trump is cruel, punitive, petty and has no understanding of governance. He worships dictators. He views himself as a god. He is very, very, very, mentally disturbed. Someone who votes for that person IS stupid and ignorant. I can respect a conservative who sits out the election or holds their nose and votes against Trump - indeed, I know some of them personally. I cannot respect anyone who supports Trump. |
They're so much smarter then the "always vote dem no matter what" Latinos and black voters at least they know dems are holding them back. |
Social media really did a number on you and a few other posters on this thread. It's truly incredible. I feel sorry about your ignorance. |
The only signs that go missing during election time are republicans. |
I like you, PP! |