Married Female Feminists

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Anonymous wrote:I’m blown away that anyone, other than a troll, can claim that women have equal and even better (!) pay than men now. That simply isn’t true. Women and men in equal roles in private industry still receive vastly different pay. In the firms I’ve worked in, it’s been known that female partners made less than men. We need to revive the ERA. Women still have a lot of work ahead.

like this?

[Anonymous]

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/04/20/more-women-are-out-earning-their-husbands-in-the-us.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-wives-now-outearn-their-husbands-they-also-stay-together-longer-1ac089dc


Don’t seems in a lot of cases women are earning more.


The college education gap is wider in favor of women now than it ever was when it was the other way around
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/08/whats-behind-the-growing-gap-between-men-and-women-in-college-completion/


As for marrying a feminist- no high value man would marry a feminist. First off, most feminists pick and choose what they want to be feminists about. They’re not consistent. For example…I’m a powerful woman “I don’t need no man”…but pay for the dates….

Or something like “we need more women in corporate management jobs, there is a huge gender gap!!!”. Correct ma’am, but 99% of oil fields workers are men, 95% of sewage treatment workers are men, there’s also a gap in power plant workers, electricians, HVAC workers…etc. why aren’t women clamoring to equal the gender gap in those fields? Oh…is it because it’s rough work and not ah air conditioned office where you can take yoga classes at lunch and spend twenty minutes complaining about Becky in HR?

Men don’t want to deal with that stuff, so they tend to find women who aren’t disagreeable, loud mouthed, crude and nasty blue-haired twitter anons. Most guys actually like independent women, but a lot of women now confuse independent with being a b**ch. they conflate the two and don’t know the difference.

There is a reason men seek women who are feminine and have feminine qualities and are nice….and most women in this area don’t have that.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a strange topic since women over the last 20+ years are doing much better than men economically, financially, educationally, and socially. I think we should be more concerned with how men are doing than women for now.

As I said above;

feminism was never about equality. it has always been about supremacy.

I hope you're being a sarcastic. It's always been about equality. Despite all of the laws, women still earn less than men when they're doing the same job. I'm not talking about a minimum wage job where everybody makes the same amount of money. I'm talking about professional jobs. I work in HR and see payroll and pay rates of everybody and I've done this for several companies. There is definitely a pattern. Of course, there are woman who make a lot more then their male peers, but it's not a pattern.

Also, we still have cases where doctors don't perform tubal ligations to permanently prevent pregnancy on women without permission of the husband. My husband didn't have to get my permission when he got vasectomy. Feminism is about equal pay and equal rights.

What out-dated BS is this?

The fact is in 2024: women over the last 20+ years are doing much better than men economically, financially, educationally, and socially. I think we should be more concerned with how men are doing than women for now.

As for the high-level people you claim to have encountered in the past (possibly distant past) through HR, be honest: how many of the women took a few years off to raise children, or went part-time when their children were young? If you factored that issue in, you would certainly have to agree women are doing better than men today.

And considering how few boys enter university (fewer still ever graduate) compared to women, the employment and career prospects for boys are very dim, while women will continue to own a greater and greater percentage of the workplace.

HR data show men in the exact same position with the same job duties make more money.

You are right more women go to college than men but more men are going to college than before… and college faculty are more likely to be men and student loan debt for women is higher, and men still make more money.

This has made it easier for men to get into certain colleges.

Men are less likely to go to community college than women.

The reason is men have options for high paying jobs that don’t require a degree and women don’t.

None of this is accurate. No surprise PP failed to support any of it.

Employed mothers earn about the same as similarly educated women without children at home; both groups earn less than fathers.

Although gains in education have raised the average earnings of women and have narrowed the gender pay gap overall, college-educated women are no closer to wage parity with their male counterparts than other women. In 2022, women with at least a bachelor’s degree earned 79% as much as men who were college graduates, and women who were high school graduates earned 81% as much as men with the same level of education. This underscores the challenges faced by women of all education levels in closing the pay gap.

Notably, the gender wage gap has closed more among workers without a four-year college degree than among those who do have a bachelor’s degree or more education.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/

Wow, I didn’t realize it was still that bad. Thanks, PP.

It’s not PP selectively left out conclusions that didn’t support her thesis.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a strange topic since women over the last 20+ years are doing much better than men economically, financially, educationally, and socially. I think we should be more concerned with how men are doing than women for now.

As I said above;

feminism was never about equality. it has always been about supremacy.

I hope you're being a sarcastic. It's always been about equality. Despite all of the laws, women still earn less than men when they're doing the same job. I'm not talking about a minimum wage job where everybody makes the same amount of money. I'm talking about professional jobs. I work in HR and see payroll and pay rates of everybody and I've done this for several companies. There is definitely a pattern. Of course, there are woman who make a lot more then their male peers, but it's not a pattern.

Also, we still have cases where doctors don't perform tubal ligations to permanently prevent pregnancy on women without permission of the husband. My husband didn't have to get my permission when he got vasectomy. Feminism is about equal pay and equal rights.

What out-dated BS is this?

The fact is in 2024: women over the last 20+ years are doing much better than men economically, financially, educationally, and socially. I think we should be more concerned with how men are doing than women for now.

As for the high-level people you claim to have encountered in the past (possibly distant past) through HR, be honest: how many of the women took a few years off to raise children, or went part-time when their children were young? If you factored that issue in, you would certainly have to agree women are doing better than men today.

And considering how few boys enter university (fewer still ever graduate) compared to women, the employment and career prospects for boys are very dim, while women will continue to own a greater and greater percentage of the workplace.

The goal is revenge, not equality. If you bring up the problems boys and men are now facing, you’re told by feminists that until men face this and worse for 5000 years there can’t be equality. It’s a radical ideology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband is a feminist. My husband is the cook in our relationship. While I stayed home for maternity leave, there was about a year when he was a stay at home dad. He has always encouraged me to make my own decisions instead of telling me what I should do. He has acknowledged as a man he has privileges I don’t- he can go out at night without worrying, he gets taken seriously by car repair people on sight. He sees misogyny in what people say - most recently on Love is Blind. He encourages our daughters to indulge their interests even when they aren’t stereotypically “girlie” ones.

A man who cooks does not make a feminist.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a strange topic since women over the last 20+ years are doing much better than men economically, financially, educationally, and socially. I think we should be more concerned with how men are doing than women for now.

As I said above;

feminism was never about equality. it has always been about supremacy.

I hope you're being a sarcastic. It's always been about equality. Despite all of the laws, women still earn less than men when they're doing the same job. I'm not talking about a minimum wage job where everybody makes the same amount of money. I'm talking about professional jobs. I work in HR and see payroll and pay rates of everybody and I've done this for several companies. There is definitely a pattern. Of course, there are woman who make a lot more then their male peers, but it's not a pattern.

Also, we still have cases where doctors don't perform tubal ligations to permanently prevent pregnancy on women without permission of the husband. My husband didn't have to get my permission when he got vasectomy. Feminism is about equal pay and equal rights.

What out-dated BS is this?

The fact is in 2024: women over the last 20+ years are doing much better than men economically, financially, educationally, and socially. I think we should be more concerned with how men are doing than women for now.

As for the high-level people you claim to have encountered in the past (possibly distant past) through HR, be honest: how many of the women took a few years off to raise children, or went part-time when their children were young? If you factored that issue in, you would certainly have to agree women are doing better than men today.

And considering how few boys enter university (fewer still ever graduate) compared to women, the employment and career prospects for boys are very dim, while women will continue to own a greater and greater percentage of the workplace.

HR data show men in the exact same position with the same job duties make more money.

You are right more women go to college than men but more men are going to college than before… and college faculty are more likely to be men and student loan debt for women is higher, and men still make more money.

This has made it easier for men to get into certain colleges.

Men are less likely to go to community college than women.

The reason is men have options for high paying jobs that don’t require a degree and women don’t.

None of this is accurate. No surprise PP failed to support any of it.

Employed mothers earn about the same as similarly educated women without children at home; both groups earn less than fathers.

Although gains in education have raised the average earnings of women and have narrowed the gender pay gap overall, college-educated women are no closer to wage parity with their male counterparts than other women. In 2022, women with at least a bachelor’s degree earned 79% as much as men who were college graduates, and women who were high school graduates earned 81% as much as men with the same level of education. This underscores the challenges faced by women of all education levels in closing the pay gap.

Notably, the gender wage gap has closed more among workers without a four-year college degree than among those who do have a bachelor’s degree or more education.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/

How very deceitful of you to leave out this part of the Pew research:

“ In fact, in 22 of 250 U.S. metropolitan areas, women under the age of 30 earn the same amount as or more than their male counterparts, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of Census Bureau data.”

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/

So in it’s only equal in 1/10 of metro areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are a happily married feminist, and your spouse is a man, what is your husband like? Are there traits or green flags that men can exhibit that would suggest that they would romantically pair well with a feminist?

Foremost, DH is a good listener and values win-win situations.

On a secondary level, he genuinely enjoys spending time with children and doing domestic chores. We’ve never had an imbalance there outside of periods when we both have been seriously ill.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/04/20/more-women-are-out-earning-their-husbands-in-the-us.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-wives-now-outearn-their-husbands-they-also-stay-together-longer-1ac089dc


Don’t seems in a lot of cases women are earning more.


The college education gap is wider in favor of women now than it ever was when it was the other way around
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/08/whats-behind-the-growing-gap-between-men-and-women-in-college-completion/


As for marrying a feminist- no high value man would marry a feminist. First off, most feminists pick and choose what they want to be feminists about. They’re not consistent. For example…I’m a powerful woman “I don’t need no man”…but pay for the dates….

Or something like “we need more women in corporate management jobs, there is a huge gender gap!!!”. Correct ma’am, but 99% of oil fields workers are men, 95% of sewage treatment workers are men, there’s also a gap in power plant workers, electricians, HVAC workers…etc. why aren’t women clamoring to equal the gender gap in those fields? Oh…is it because it’s rough work and not ah air conditioned office where you can take yoga classes at lunch and spend twenty minutes complaining about Becky in HR?

Men don’t want to deal with that stuff, so they tend to find women who aren’t disagreeable, loud mouthed, crude and nasty blue-haired twitter anons. Most guys actually like independent women, but a lot of women now confuse independent with being a b**ch. they conflate the two and don’t know the difference.

There is a reason men seek women who are feminine and have feminine qualities and are nice….and most women in this area don’t have that.

I doubt you are even married my friend.
Worthwhile Men prefer smart women. Because having a teammate who is smart is a big asset in the game of life and because they are more likely to have smart kids. Smart women are feminists, because they know equal rights are the only way to guarantee they won’t be treated like property. Men who marry dumb women usually regret it and resent their underachieving kids.
-mom of three, feminine enough to birth and breastfeed three strong kids, smart enough to make good decisions for our family, have a good job, and raise my kids to be feminists as well.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a strange topic since women over the last 20+ years are doing much better than men economically, financially, educationally, and socially. I think we should be more concerned with how men are doing than women for now.

As I said above;

feminism was never about equality. it has always been about supremacy.

I hope you're being a sarcastic. It's always been about equality. Despite all of the laws, women still earn less than men when they're doing the same job. I'm not talking about a minimum wage job where everybody makes the same amount of money. I'm talking about professional jobs. I work in HR and see payroll and pay rates of everybody and I've done this for several companies. There is definitely a pattern. Of course, there are woman who make a lot more then their male peers, but it's not a pattern.

Also, we still have cases where doctors don't perform tubal ligations to permanently prevent pregnancy on women without permission of the husband. My husband didn't have to get my permission when he got vasectomy. Feminism is about equal pay and equal rights.

What out-dated BS is this?

The fact is in 2024: women over the last 20+ years are doing much better than men economically, financially, educationally, and socially. I think we should be more concerned with how men are doing than women for now.

As for the high-level people you claim to have encountered in the past (possibly distant past) through HR, be honest: how many of the women took a few years off to raise children, or went part-time when their children were young? If you factored that issue in, you would certainly have to agree women are doing better than men today.

And considering how few boys enter university (fewer still ever graduate) compared to women, the employment and career prospects for boys are very dim, while women will continue to own a greater and greater percentage of the workplace.

HR data show men in the exact same position with the same job duties make more money.

You are right more women go to college than men but more men are going to college than before… and college faculty are more likely to be men and student loan debt for women is higher, and men still make more money.

This has made it easier for men to get into certain colleges.

Men are less likely to go to community college than women.

The reason is men have options for high paying jobs that don’t require a degree and women don’t.

None of this is accurate. No surprise PP failed to support any of it.

Employed mothers earn about the same as similarly educated women without children at home; both groups earn less than fathers.

Although gains in education have raised the average earnings of women and have narrowed the gender pay gap overall, college-educated women are no closer to wage parity with their male counterparts than other women. In 2022, women with at least a bachelor’s degree earned 79% as much as men who were college graduates, and women who were high school graduates earned 81% as much as men with the same level of education. This underscores the challenges faced by women of all education levels in closing the pay gap.

Notably, the gender wage gap has closed more among workers without a four-year college degree than among those who do have a bachelor’s degree or more education.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/

How very deceitful of you to leave out this part of the Pew research:

“ In fact, in 22 of 250 U.S. metropolitan areas, women under the age of 30 earn the same amount as or more than their male counterparts, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of Census Bureau data.”

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/

Wow. I already knew women, as far as going to college / graduating, have long surpassed boys. This means women’s careers are on a trajectory to surpass men and become dominant in the workplace in the near future.

But I didn’t realize this has already happened in so many places! (from Pew’s research).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a strange topic since women over the last 20+ years are doing much better than men economically, financially, educationally, and socially. I think we should be more concerned with how men are doing than women for now.

As I said above;

feminism was never about equality. it has always been about supremacy.

I hope you're being a sarcastic. It's always been about equality. Despite all of the laws, women still earn less than men when they're doing the same job. I'm not talking about a minimum wage job where everybody makes the same amount of money. I'm talking about professional jobs. I work in HR and see payroll and pay rates of everybody and I've done this for several companies. There is definitely a pattern. Of course, there are woman who make a lot more then their male peers, but it's not a pattern.

Also, we still have cases where doctors don't perform tubal ligations to permanently prevent pregnancy on women without permission of the husband. My husband didn't have to get my permission when he got vasectomy. Feminism is about equal pay and equal rights.

What out-dated BS is this?

The fact is in 2024: women over the last 20+ years are doing much better than men economically, financially, educationally, and socially. I think we should be more concerned with how men are doing than women for now.

As for the high-level people you claim to have encountered in the past (possibly distant past) through HR, be honest: how many of the women took a few years off to raise children, or went part-time when their children were young? If you factored that issue in, you would certainly have to agree women are doing better than men today.

And considering how few boys enter university (fewer still ever graduate) compared to women, the employment and career prospects for boys are very dim, while women will continue to own a greater and greater percentage of the workplace.

HR data show men in the exact same position with the same job duties make more money.

You are right more women go to college than men but more men are going to college than before… and college faculty are more likely to be men and student loan debt for women is higher, and men still make more money.

This has made it easier for men to get into certain colleges.

Men are less likely to go to community college than women.

The reason is men have options for high paying jobs that don’t require a degree and women don’t.

None of this is accurate. No surprise PP failed to support any of it.

Employed mothers earn about the same as similarly educated women without children at home; both groups earn less than fathers.

Although gains in education have raised the average earnings of women and have narrowed the gender pay gap overall, college-educated women are no closer to wage parity with their male counterparts than other women. In 2022, women with at least a bachelor’s degree earned 79% as much as men who were college graduates, and women who were high school graduates earned 81% as much as men with the same level of education. This underscores the challenges faced by women of all education levels in closing the pay gap.

Notably, the gender wage gap has closed more among workers without a four-year college degree than among those who do have a bachelor’s degree or more education.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/

How very deceitful of you to leave out this part of the Pew research:

“ In fact, in 22 of 250 U.S. metropolitan areas, women under the age of 30 earn the same amount as or more than their male counterparts, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of Census Bureau data.”

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/

Wow. I already knew women, as far as going to college / graduating, have long surpassed boys. This means women’s careers are on a trajectory to surpass men and become dominant in the workplace in the near future.

But I didn’t realize this has already happened in so many places! (from Pew’s research).

"so many places" = 8.8% of surveyed metropolitan areas

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know what the 22 of 250 are? If they are NY/NJ/CT, LA, Chicago, San Francisco/Oakland, Houston, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Dallas, Boston, and Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, etc, that would cover a lot of people.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/04/20/more-women-are-out-earning-their-husbands-in-the-us.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-wives-now-outearn-their-husbands-they-also-stay-together-longer-1ac089dc


Don’t seems in a lot of cases women are earning more.


The college education gap is wider in favor of women now than it ever was when it was the other way around
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/08/whats-behind-the-growing-gap-between-men-and-women-in-college-completion/


As for marrying a feminist- no high value man would marry a feminist. First off, most feminists pick and choose what they want to be feminists about. They’re not consistent. For example…I’m a powerful woman “I don’t need no man”…but pay for the dates….

Or something like “we need more women in corporate management jobs, there is a huge gender gap!!!”. Correct ma’am, but 99% of oil fields workers are men, 95% of sewage treatment workers are men, there’s also a gap in power plant workers, electricians, HVAC workers…etc. why aren’t women clamoring to equal the gender gap in those fields? Oh…is it because it’s rough work and not ah air conditioned office where you can take yoga classes at lunch and spend twenty minutes complaining about Becky in HR?

Men don’t want to deal with that stuff, so they tend to find women who aren’t disagreeable, loud mouthed, crude and nasty blue-haired twitter anons. Most guys actually like independent women, but a lot of women now confuse independent with being a b**ch. they conflate the two and don’t know the difference.

There is a reason men seek women who are feminine and have feminine qualities and are nice….and most women in this area don’t have that.

I doubt you are even married my friend.
Worthwhile Men prefer smart women. Because having a teammate who is smart is a big asset in the game of life and because they are more likely to have smart kids. Smart women are feminists, because they know equal rights are the only way to guarantee they won’t be treated like property. Men who marry dumb women usually regret it and resent their underachieving kids.
-mom of three, feminine enough to birth and breastfeed three strong kids, smart enough to make good decisions for our family, have a good job, and raise my kids to be feminists as well.

Go you, you little bad a$$!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/04/20/more-women-are-out-earning-their-husbands-in-the-us.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-wives-now-outearn-their-husbands-they-also-stay-together-longer-1ac089dc


Don’t seems in a lot of cases women are earning more.


The college education gap is wider in favor of women now than it ever was when it was the other way around
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/08/whats-behind-the-growing-gap-between-men-and-women-in-college-completion/


As for marrying a feminist- no high value man would marry a feminist. First off, most feminists pick and choose what they want to be feminists about. They’re not consistent. For example…I’m a powerful woman “I don’t need no man”…but pay for the dates….

Or something like “we need more women in corporate management jobs, there is a huge gender gap!!!”. Correct ma’am, but 99% of oil fields workers are men, 95% of sewage treatment workers are men, there’s also a gap in power plant workers, electricians, HVAC workers…etc. why aren’t women clamoring to equal the gender gap in those fields? Oh…is it because it’s rough work and not ah air conditioned office where you can take yoga classes at lunch and spend twenty minutes complaining about Becky in HR?

Men don’t want to deal with that stuff, so they tend to find women who aren’t disagreeable, loud mouthed, crude and nasty blue-haired twitter anons. Most guys actually like independent women, but a lot of women now confuse independent with being a b**ch. they conflate the two and don’t know the difference.

There is a reason men seek women who are feminine and have feminine qualities and are nice….and most women in this area don’t have that.

I doubt you are even married my friend.
Worthwhile Men prefer smart women. Because having a teammate who is smart is a big asset in the game of life and because they are more likely to have smart kids. Smart women are feminists, because they know equal rights are the only way to guarantee they won’t be treated like property. Men who marry dumb women usually regret it and resent their underachieving kids.
-mom of three, feminine enough to birth and breastfeed three strong kids, smart enough to make good decisions for our family, have a good job, and raise my kids to be feminists as well.

Go you, you little bad a$$!

Do you have nothing better to do than troll a mommy forum?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a happily married feminist, and your spouse is a man, what is your husband like? Are there traits or green flags that men can exhibit that would suggest that they would romantically pair well with a feminist?

My husband and I are both feminists in that we both believe in equality and advocate for women's rights, we vote for leaders who do the same, we both see that men have historically been prioritized over women and that women have been treated unjustly throughout history, we talk w/ our kids about gender stereotypes and sexism and strongly refute any sexist/misogynistic talk that comes up from the kids or in movies/tv/books/the news.

On paper, we have a more traditional marriage: he works and I am a stay at home mom. This was entirely my choice (my husband would have supported me either way, whether I chose to be a SAHM or chose to keep working after we had kids) and it works for us. I genuinely wanted to be a stay at home parent. I love being home w/ my kids. I even enjoy managing the household tasks. Yes, I do the majority of the cooking, cleaning, chores, errands, and almost all kid-related planning and managing (signing kids up for activities, taking them to the Dr., planning play dates w/ their friends, buying them clothes, etc.) but my husband does a lot with the kids when he's not at work. he's a very involved dad. I'd say he is the primary parent in the evenings and on weekends and holidays. He comes home and totally takes over whatever is going on w/ the kids (helping w/ homework, playing with them, reading to them, taking them to activities, taking them to bed, giving them baths, etc.).

How is he as a partner? Kind, loving, sensitive, thoughtful, generous, considerate. He is the best partner I could ever hope for. He is a great listener, he cares deeply about me, he values me and respects me, he is a wonderful lover.

How old are your kids, and what do you plan to do once they are in school all day?
Also, did your DH set up a retirement account for you in your name?

No PP but in a very similar situation. I see where you are going with this question. All of our money is joint. I have full access to all of our accounts. Not every woman is a relationship where they need to protect themselves. We have a marriage that comes first. I don't need a retirement account in my name. I don't get or need an allowance, I could go buy a car today if I wanted to and DH wouldn't care. Not all relationships like this involve an a hole guy.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a strange topic since women over the last 20+ years are doing much better than men economically, financially, educationally, and socially. I think we should be more concerned with how men are doing than women for now.

As I said above;

feminism was never about equality. it has always been about supremacy.

I hope you're being a sarcastic. It's always been about equality. Despite all of the laws, women still earn less than men when they're doing the same job. I'm not talking about a minimum wage job where everybody makes the same amount of money. I'm talking about professional jobs. I work in HR and see payroll and pay rates of everybody and I've done this for several companies. There is definitely a pattern. Of course, there are woman who make a lot more then their male peers, but it's not a pattern.

Also, we still have cases where doctors don't perform tubal ligations to permanently prevent pregnancy on women without permission of the husband. My husband didn't have to get my permission when he got vasectomy. Feminism is about equal pay and equal rights.

What out-dated BS is this?

The fact is in 2024: women over the last 20+ years are doing much better than men economically, financially, educationally, and socially. I think we should be more concerned with how men are doing than women for now.

As for the high-level people you claim to have encountered in the past (possibly distant past) through HR, be honest: how many of the women took a few years off to raise children, or went part-time when their children were young? If you factored that issue in, you would certainly have to agree women are doing better than men today.

And considering how few boys enter university (fewer still ever graduate) compared to women, the employment and career prospects for boys are very dim, while women will continue to own a greater and greater percentage of the workplace.

HR data show men in the exact same position with the same job duties make more money.

You are right more women go to college than men but more men are going to college than before… and college faculty are more likely to be men and student loan debt for women is higher, and men still make more money.

This has made it easier for men to get into certain colleges.

Men are less likely to go to community college than women.

The reason is men have options for high paying jobs that don’t require a degree and women don’t.

None of this is accurate. No surprise PP failed to support any of it.

Employed mothers earn about the same as similarly educated women without children at home; both groups earn less than fathers.

Although gains in education have raised the average earnings of women and have narrowed the gender pay gap overall, college-educated women are no closer to wage parity with their male counterparts than other women. In 2022, women with at least a bachelor’s degree earned 79% as much as men who were college graduates, and women who were high school graduates earned 81% as much as men with the same level of education. This underscores the challenges faced by women of all education levels in closing the pay gap.

Notably, the gender wage gap has closed more among workers without a four-year college degree than among those who do have a bachelor’s degree or more education.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/

How very deceitful of you to leave out this part of the Pew research:

“ In fact, in 22 of 250 U.S. metropolitan areas, women under the age of 30 earn the same amount as or more than their male counterparts, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of Census Bureau data.”

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/

Wow. I already knew women, as far as going to college / graduating, have long surpassed boys. This means women’s careers are on a trajectory to surpass men and become dominant in the workplace in the near future.

But I didn’t realize this has already happened in so many places! (from Pew’s research).

"so many places" = 8.8% of surveyed metropolitan areas

lol