Jennifer Crumbley found guilty. Hope this opens the door for prosecuting parents for their children's violent crimes.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I hope the dad is held to the same standard as mom.

Parents should absolutely be held accountable for their children’s behavior/gun access.

I’m going to be LIVID if the mom is convicted and the dad is acquitted. I despise the double standard our society holds for moms vs dads, and I think some of Mrs. Crumbley’s case (the way the prosecution painted her as more concerned about an affair than her kid, for example) would NEVER have been used against a dad in the same way.

The dad bought the gun - I actually think he’s more liable than the mom. The mom wasn’t great, and she messed up big time, but so did dad and I just have a feeling he’s going to be let off. I hope I’m wrong.

This is unlikely. One of the reasons that the Crumbleys asked for separate trials is because they assumed it would be much easier to get the mother acquitted than the father.

The father bought the gun and was responsible for gun safety. He was also there at the school meeting and he also said he had to go back to work, but he worked in an office that had very flexible work commitments. He had even less reason to "need to go back to work" than the mother. He was the one who withdrew $6000 cash and found the friend who hid them in the closed office where they were found. He was the mastermind of the flight from detention. He did many more wrong things than his wife did and so his conviction was considered much more likely.

That said, I think it is much more likely he'll be convicted. But the female bias may come in during the sentencing if they get equal sentencing or she gets a heavier sentence than he does, even though he deserves at least as long a sentence as she gets, probably much longer.

Female bias in sentencing is that women get lighter sentences then men for the same crimem

Except when it comes to parental and maternal neglect. When it comes to child rearing burdens and neglect, women are punished far more harshly because there is a bias that women are more responsible for childcare. So fathers, even neglectful fathers, often do not even get charged, are acquitted more frequently and given lighter sentences for any form of child neglect for their children.

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Anonymous wrote:Suggest that anyone who is interested in understanding the families of school shooters, plus mental health, take some time to read this article:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/12/04/what-happens-to-a-school-shooters-sister

Thank you so much for sharing this article.

I don't need to. understand their utter lack of parenting.

Columbine, Sandy Hook and VT all had crap parents.

The article isn’t about any of those.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you get a mentally ill teen -especially one over 18 “committed?” Where are these magical institutions that have beds available because I think my legally adult teen might be violent? Are they for adults or kids? If they are not state-run, I assume they can just check themselves AMA if they want? If not, who’s paying for it? Does the person’s right to freedom disappear if I am afraid they might commit a crime? Why hold Adam Lanza’s father responsible when he had to no ability to change the circumstances of his son’s condition? Was he supposed to forcibly imprison his son? Slip him an un prescribed medication? Smother him with a pillow? What’s the degree of responsibility for another person’s actions?

Ask Cree Deeds.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you get a mentally ill teen -especially one over 18 “committed?” Where are these magical institutions that have beds available because I think my legally adult teen might be violent? Are they for adults or kids? If they are not state-run, I assume they can just check themselves AMA if they want? If not, who’s paying for it? Does the person’s right to freedom disappear if I am afraid they might commit a crime? Why hold Adam Lanza’s father responsible when he had to no ability to change the circumstances of his son’s condition? Was he supposed to forcibly imprison his son? Slip him an un prescribed medication? Smother him with a pillow? What’s the degree of responsibility for another person’s actions?

Ask Cree Deeds.

Or Creigh… lol

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Anonymous wrote:How do you get a mentally ill teen -especially one over 18 “committed?” Where are these magical institutions that have beds available because I think my legally adult teen might be violent? Are they for adults or kids? If they are not state-run, I assume they can just check themselves AMA if they want? If not, who’s paying for it? Does the person’s right to freedom disappear if I am afraid they might commit a crime? Why hold Adam Lanza’s father responsible when he had to no ability to change the circumstances of his son’s condition? Was he supposed to forcibly imprison his son? Slip him an un prescribed medication? Smother him with a pillow? What’s the degree of responsibility for another person’s actions?

Ask Cree Deeds.

Wow, had forgotten that story. Every poster on here screaming “commit them” should read the press stories about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

Why have empathy for Adam Lanza's older brother who was an adult and surely knew as much as his father about the living situation in the house? Why isn't he "civilly accountable"? How about aunts, uncles, cousins, family friends? The reality is that it is too bad Adam Lanza didn't die by suicide before taking the lives of others. These are complicated situations made difficult by laws that make it extremely hard to get help for adult family members who are suffering from mental health issues and are not cooperative with treatment regimes. Adam Lanza is an extreme case. I read the state of CT's report. I don't think anybody could have helped him. I agree with you that his mother never should have had a gun in the house (that is not complicated). She paid for that mistake.

DP. I don't know how you can attempt to draw a parallel between Lanza's brother and dad.

The dad, at some point, was responsible for Adam for the overwhelming majority of his life. Parents are responsible for their children and the people they choose to bring into this world. At no point are siblings responsible for their siblings.

And at some point in Lanza's 18 o 20 years, I'm sure there were a ton of signs that the dad ignored or decided weren't worth squabbling with his ex over. Of course the dad should be culpable.

Parents are no longer responsible for their kids once they turn 18.

Right. But the dad was responsible for Adam for 9/10th of his life. You can't honestly say that Adam's spiraling began only after he turned 18, and that the dad didn't fail him during those 18 years.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

Why have empathy for Adam Lanza's older brother who was an adult and surely knew as much as his father about the living situation in the house? Why isn't he "civilly accountable"? How about aunts, uncles, cousins, family friends? The reality is that it is too bad Adam Lanza didn't die by suicide before taking the lives of others. These are complicated situations made difficult by laws that make it extremely hard to get help for adult family members who are suffering from mental health issues and are not cooperative with treatment regimes. Adam Lanza is an extreme case. I read the state of CT's report. I don't think anybody could have helped him. I agree with you that his mother never should have had a gun in the house (that is not complicated). She paid for that mistake.

DP. I don't know how you can attempt to draw a parallel between Lanza's brother and dad.

The dad, at some point, was responsible for Adam for the overwhelming majority of his life. Parents are responsible for their children and the people they choose to bring into this world. At no point are siblings responsible for their siblings.

And at some point in Lanza's 18 o 20 years, I'm sure there were a ton of signs that the dad ignored or decided weren't worth squabbling with his ex over. Of course the dad should be culpable.

Parents are no longer responsible for their kids once they turn 18.

Right. But the dad was responsible for Adam for 9/10th of his life. You can't honestly say that Adam's spiraling began only after he turned 18, and that the dad didn't fail him during those 18 years.

+1 The Lanzas are very much responsible for what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

Why have empathy for Adam Lanza's older brother who was an adult and surely knew as much as his father about the living situation in the house? Why isn't he "civilly accountable"? How about aunts, uncles, cousins, family friends? The reality is that it is too bad Adam Lanza didn't die by suicide before taking the lives of others. These are complicated situations made difficult by laws that make it extremely hard to get help for adult family members who are suffering from mental health issues and are not cooperative with treatment regimes. Adam Lanza is an extreme case. I read the state of CT's report. I don't think anybody could have helped him. I agree with you that his mother never should have had a gun in the house (that is not complicated). She paid for that mistake.

DP. I don't know how you can attempt to draw a parallel between Lanza's brother and dad.

The dad, at some point, was responsible for Adam for the overwhelming majority of his life. Parents are responsible for their children and the people they choose to bring into this world. At no point are siblings responsible for their siblings.

And at some point in Lanza's 18 o 20 years, I'm sure there were a ton of signs that the dad ignored or decided weren't worth squabbling with his ex over. Of course the dad should be culpable.

Parents are no longer responsible for their kids once they turn 18.

Right. But the dad was responsible for Adam for 9/10th of his life. You can't honestly say that Adam's spiraling began only after he turned 18, and that the dad didn't fail him during those 18 years.

+1 The Lanzas are very much responsible for what happened.

+1

You can't just hold on tight and wait it out until they're 18, then trow your hands up .

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

You have no clue about what you are talking about.
ZERO!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

Why have empathy for Adam Lanza's older brother who was an adult and surely knew as much as his father about the living situation in the house? Why isn't he "civilly accountable"? How about aunts, uncles, cousins, family friends? The reality is that it is too bad Adam Lanza didn't die by suicide before taking the lives of others. These are complicated situations made difficult by laws that make it extremely hard to get help for adult family members who are suffering from mental health issues and are not cooperative with treatment regimes. Adam Lanza is an extreme case. I read the state of CT's report. I don't think anybody could have helped him. I agree with you that his mother never should have had a gun in the house (that is not complicated). She paid for that mistake.

DP. I don't know how you can attempt to draw a parallel between Lanza's brother and dad.

The dad, at some point, was responsible for Adam for the overwhelming majority of his life. Parents are responsible for their children and the people they choose to bring into this world. At no point are siblings responsible for their siblings.

And at some point in Lanza's 18 o 20 years, I'm sure there were a ton of signs that the dad ignored or decided weren't worth squabbling with his ex over. Of course the dad should be culpable.

Parents are no longer responsible for their kids once they turn 18.

Right. But the dad was responsible for Adam for 9/10th of his life. You can't honestly say that Adam's spiraling began only after he turned 18, and that the dad didn't fail him during those 18 years.

+1 The Lanzas are very much responsible for what happened.

+1

You can't just hold on tight and wait it out until they're 18, then throw your hands up .

+1 and being divorced/moving away is no excuse for not being an involved parent, especially so when mental health issues are involved.

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In this case the case had merit. But there are children who are violent despite the best parental efforts to keep the community safe. I hope long-suffering parents of such kids aren’t punished needlessly.

Virtually all school shooting cases are from kids who stole their parents' unsecured weapons. There is no reason none of those parents shouldn't be held accountable.

I agree. Parents do have a responsibility to keep their children from hurting others. And something as simple as securing a weapon from an unstable child is a basic parenting responsibility. Actions have consequences. BTW JC sounds like a TERRIBLE parent. She deserves jail.

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Sandy Hook mom should've made him living with her past 18 contingent upon him receiving mental health treatment and getting a part time job. He refused all human interaction to the point he would only communicate with his mother through email. She would leave his meals at his door while he rotted away in his bedroom on his computer all day. She enabled him to not seek treatment by providing him a free, comfortable place he could stay sick in.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the guilty sentence was deserved. I live in DC. I would like to see parents of all the children carjacking and murdering also charged. The only hope of the U.S. is for us to demand better, more stable, more engaged parenting. Schools can't solve it all.

Major mistake. There was no way to know he would shoot up the school. Hopefully this will be reversed on appeal. I doubt this judge will throw the verdict out but she should.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you get a mentally ill teen -especially one over 18 “committed?” Where are these magical institutions that have beds available because I think my legally adult teen might be violent? Are they for adults or kids? If they are not state-run, I assume they can just check themselves AMA if they want? If not, who’s paying for it? Does the person’s right to freedom disappear if I am afraid they might commit a crime? Why hold Adam Lanza’s father responsible when he had to no ability to change the circumstances of his son’s condition? Was he supposed to forcibly imprison his son? Slip him an un prescribed medication? Smother him with a pillow? What’s the degree of responsibility for another person’s actions?

This is different. JC was living with her child. They had custody of a minor child, and they gave that child a GUN.

I know a family with a violent child. He was adopted. He is crazy, and the parents have moved mountains to help him. The child may end up in jail or worse. It is NOT the parents' fault. They have another adopted child who is healthy and a very sweet person.

But JC was a horror. She did nothing to help her child. She didn't even notice that her child was mentally ill. She is a sick woman.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The shooter in Sandy Hook killed his mom first. He was, also, not a minor. That was such a horrible day.

You are right he was 20. His father was still alive when the shooting happened and he should have been held civilly accountable. He knew what was going on in that house. No excuses. The mother got what she deserved. Zero empathy for them only for the living brother of Adam.

Also, any supporter of Alex Jones can F off. You complete and utter subhuman monsters.

Virginia Tech shooter was not a minor either however I firmly believe his parents, VT and Fairfax counties schools all should have been held civilly accountable as well.

Personal responsiblity is one thing for an adult neither of these cases happened in a vaccum. Both could have been prevented.

Why have empathy for Adam Lanza's older brother who was an adult and surely knew as much as his father about the living situation in the house? Why isn't he "civilly accountable"? How about aunts, uncles, cousins, family friends? The reality is that it is too bad Adam Lanza didn't die by suicide before taking the lives of others. These are complicated situations made difficult by laws that make it extremely hard to get help for adult family members who are suffering from mental health issues and are not cooperative with treatment regimes. Adam Lanza is an extreme case. I read the state of CT's report. I don't think anybody could have helped him. I agree with you that his mother never should have had a gun in the house (that is not complicated). She paid for that mistake.

DP. I don't know how you can attempt to draw a parallel between Lanza's brother and dad.

The dad, at some point, was responsible for Adam for the overwhelming majority of his life. Parents are responsible for their children and the people they choose to bring into this world. At no point are siblings responsible for their siblings.

And at some point in Lanza's 18 o 20 years, I'm sure there were a ton of signs that the dad ignored or decided weren't worth squabbling with his ex over. Of course the dad should be culpable.

Parents are no longer responsible for their kids once they turn 18.

Remember they charged this kid as an adult. Can’t have it both ways.