I'm raising my daughter to be 'traditional wife' one day

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Anonymous wrote:imagine this headline for a man. 'man bringing up son to be stay at home dad, rely on woman'.
would be seen as completely nuts but really no different.

18 percent of SAHP are now dads. That’s 1 out of 5 SAHPs and it’s rising.

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The irony here is that social media tradwives are working as content creators. They are making money and working by filming, editing and doing brand deals. They are just giving the illusion of not working

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Actually that was my first post and the “like” is meant to be read ironically, since this is such a patently misogynistic idea that truly could— or should— only appeal to the sort of parent who looks at their child and thinks they have very little to offer beyond menial tasks and service.

Why do you consider taking care of children, cooking, and cleaning to be “menial tasks”? As opposed to sitting at a desk making powerpoints, for example.

I maintain that YOUR attitude is what is “patently misogynistic”.

+1. I hate feminist women who look down on women who are homemakers. Isn’t feminism about women having a choice and choosing what works for them?

I don’t see anything wrong I’m providing a loving home for your family and raising kids.

Where do you get the idea that feminism means you have to look up to all women? Do you look up to sex workers? Pole dancers? No? Then why do you think people need to look up to you?

Maybe because stay at home moms are nothing like sex workers? What a silly analogy.

Pick whatever you want. You obviously don’t admire accomplished professional women— why do you need them to admire you?

I don’t want my daughter to grow up to be a sex worker — and apparently neither do you— but that doesn’t make me less of a feminist.

DP but this is just such a stretch. PP called “feminists” out for looking down on women who make the choice to stay at home. You’re trying to suggest that means she wants you to “admire” her which is not equivalent, just like sex workers and SAHMs aren’t equivalent. Nothing about this argument makes sense.

She said she doesn’t want her choices looked down on. That’s not something feminism gives you. It gives you the freedom to make a choice.

If you choose sex work/only fans, I don’t think you should go to jail, but i don’t think it’s an admirable me choice or something I would raise my daughter to aspire to.

If you choose to be a “tradwife” think you should have that choice— but I don’t have to admire that choice. Feminism doesn’t mean people won’t look down on you for the choices you make.

Not looking down on people isn’t the same thing as not admiring them. No, I wouldn’t look down on sex workers either.

To be very specific I don’t look down on the poster for being a “tradwife”. I look down on her for looking at her child and thinking she’s not capable of more.

I’m with the PP but feel free to “look down” on homemakers. No woman is going to go back to the workforce because you have a strong opinion about her life.

Nor is woman going to give up sex work because I have a strong opinion about her life. Or drug addiction. Or gambling.

But if someone said “I’m raising my daughter to be a porn star” I would look down on her parenting, too.

I do think raising children— boys and girls— to be able to support themselves without going into a job they hate is very valuable. We teach our kids lessons about financial responsibility and frugality and living within their means and having the opportunity to make money work for them so they have greater freedom.

You do you. Your comparison of sex work and stay at home parenting is very very convincing!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:imagine this headline for a man. 'man bringing up son to be stay at home dad, rely on woman'.
would be seen as completely nuts but really no different.

18 percent of SAHP are now dads. That’s 1 out of 5 SAHPs and it’s rising.

Being a SAHP and being a “tradwife” is a vastly different thing. I don’t think SAHD’s make content about how important is is to serve their wives while the wives make all the decisions for the family, and I have never once heard a SAHD post that he’s raising his son to serve his future wife.

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Anonymous wrote:The irony here is that social media tradwives are working as content creators. They are making money and working by filming, editing and doing brand deals. They are just giving the illusion of not working

Exactly. Some of them even seem to be the breadwinner with their husbands working hobby jobs. I have to laugh every time I see one of these women in flowery long skirts and long loose braids kneading dough, glorifying being a traditional house wife, all the while having cameras set up at every corner of her house

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The church, parents likes indoctrinating children

Let the kids choose what religion they want.

Lots of pedophile priests out there

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Anonymous wrote:The irony here is that social media tradwives are working as content creators. They are making money and working by filming, editing and doing brand deals. They are just giving the illusion of not working

Exactly. Some of them even seem to be the breadwinner with their husbands working hobby jobs. I have to laugh every time I see one of these women in flowery long skirts and long loose braids kneading dough, glorifying being a traditional house wife, all the while having cameras set up at every corner of her house

I laugh when they say things like, "I just whipped up this simple s'more." And they make the actual Graham cracker, chocolate, and marshmallow. All while their kids nap and getting the perfect clip. People may love to hate them, but they work as hard as any of us...

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Anonymous wrote:I hope you’re saving up to support her! It takes a ton of money to project that kind of idealized existence-housecleaners, grocery delivery, enviable home, cute clothes for her and the kids, etc. Plus she will need a safety fund to support herself in case the marriage goes south. She isnt going to marry a guy who can make that standard of living happen on one income and in a few years these posts won’t generate ad revenue. Good luck to you both though!

This same sentiment would apply to everyone who has a job as content creator, whether man or woman. These people are just another flavor of influencer.

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Anonymous wrote:A man is not a plan.

Lol—
I think what Gen Z is telling us is women have been duped into thinking feminism means the solution to women’s happiness is working 9 to 5 at some job just like the men have been doing.
Newsflash: it sucks!
So maybe a man IS, in fact, a plan. And a good one if it means I don’t have to stare at a computer screen and four cubicle walls my whole adult life.

yeah but men don't want a sucubus.
SAHM is a thing that happens for a bunch of reasons. It's not something most men are like - looking for. why would you? they dont want to stare at 4 walls either!

Most men do want a stay at home wife. You don’t know men.

I have never met a man who wanted this.
and there's a reason that zero very wealthy men have one. all their wives have something going on. sah with nothing else is solidly LMC low COL/ flyover behavior.

What are you talking about? Plenty of rich and UMC families have SAHMs. Some even have a SAHM and a nanny.

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In an ideal world, young moms and dads would have paternity leaves, flexible schedules, decent hours, decent salaries and family support systems to parent and work and do other life requirements to manage a healthy and happy balance for whole family.

They won't have to make choices like leaving their careers or leaving their six week old babies with hired help, over stress themselves, deprive children and strain their marriages.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Actually that was my first post and the “like” is meant to be read ironically, since this is such a patently misogynistic idea that truly could— or should— only appeal to the sort of parent who looks at their child and thinks they have very little to offer beyond menial tasks and service.

Why do you consider taking care of children, cooking, and cleaning to be “menial tasks”? As opposed to sitting at a desk making powerpoints, for example.

I maintain that YOUR attitude is what is “patently misogynistic”.

+1. I hate feminist women who look down on women who are homemakers. Isn’t feminism about women having a choice and choosing what works for them?

I don’t see anything wrong I’m providing a loving home for your family and raising kids.

Where do you get the idea that feminism means you have to look up to all women? Do you look up to sex workers? Pole dancers? No? Then why do you think people need to look up to you?

If sex workers and pole dancers like their professions and have decent working conditions and wages, who are we to criticize or look down? Why pole dancer's work is any different than Beyonce or J Lo?

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Same way why a women cooking, child caring, cleaning, driving, doing bills/finances/tax etc off for their own family is no work but chef, nanny, driver, admin, tutor are respected.

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The church, parents likes indoctrinating children

Let the kids choose what religion they want.

No.

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Anonymous wrote:A man is not a plan.

Lol—
I think what Gen Z is telling us is women have been duped into thinking feminism means the solution to women’s happiness is working 9 to 5 at some job just like the men have been doing.
Newsflash: it sucks!
So maybe a man IS, in fact, a plan. And a good one if it means I don’t have to stare at a computer screen and four cubicle walls my whole adult life.

yeah but men don't want a sucubus.
SAHM is a thing that happens for a bunch of reasons. It's not something most men are like - looking for. why would you? they dont want to stare at 4 walls either!

Most men do want a stay at home wife. You don’t know men.

I have never met a man who wanted this.
and there's a reason that zero very wealthy men have one. all their wives have something going on. sah with nothing else is solidly LMC low COL/ flyover behavior.

What are you talking about? Plenty of rich and UMC families have SAHMs. Some even have a SAHM and a nanny.

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7 in 10 men who have enough income to put their households in the top 1% of earners have stay-at-home spouses.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Actually that was my first post and the “like” is meant to be read ironically, since this is such a patently misogynistic idea that truly could— or should— only appeal to the sort of parent who looks at their child and thinks they have very little to offer beyond menial tasks and service.

Why do you consider taking care of children, cooking, and cleaning to be “menial tasks”? As opposed to sitting at a desk making powerpoints, for example.

I maintain that YOUR attitude is what is “patently misogynistic”.

+1. I hate feminist women who look down on women who are homemakers. Isn’t feminism about women having a choice and choosing what works for them?

I don’t see anything wrong I’m providing a loving home for your family and raising kids.

Where do you get the idea that feminism means you have to look up to all women? Do you look up to sex workers? Pole dancers? No? Then why do you think people need to look up to you?

If sex workers and pole dancers like their professions and have decent working conditions and wages, who are we to criticize or look down? Why pole dancer's work is any different than Beyonce or J Lo?

It’s not necessary to look down on a sex worker to think it’s a serious flaw if she says “I’m raising my daughter to be a prostitute”

The people saying corporate jobs aren’t all they’re cracked up to be aren’t wrong, but they have identified the absolutely wrong solution— make your spouse have them.

Teach your kids about saving and investing from preschool. Explain how budgets work and what tradeoffs are. They can work 20 hours a week in a creative job they love if dividends from their stock portfolio provides the rest of the income they need.