Do great students sometimes get shut out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It can happen. But unlikely if they choose carefully.

With Naviance, there’s little excuse for choosing poorly.

Wrong. We are seeing rejections at our school that are way above (scores, goa) students from just last year and back to 2019.

The classes of 2019 and 2020 are not benchmarks in any way whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Our nyc high school has one kid do a gap year about every 3rd or 4th year.

The class of 2023 had 4 in one year.

So .. something didn't work out.

But also, who cares. A gap year is pretty great. There's a lot of data that suggests most kids would benefit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“But I do think there are some very strong applicants who applied to an appropriate range of reach/target/likely schools who never dreamed they would only get into likelies and are (understandably, in my opionion) so disappointed in their choices that it feels like a shutout.”

This may be my senior this year. In at several safeties but not excited about them. Worried that the targets will yield protect. And of course the reaches are a 5% possibility, 95% chance of rejection. We feel like we should come up with more targets but it’s hard to find ones that check all the boxes in terms of size, location, offerings, etc.

This is the biggest problem. You need to spend just as much time finding safeties you are reasonably excited about, as your targets and reaches.

Feels like people just pick random, high acceptance in-state schools for their safeties, even though there is no real interest in attending.

This 1000%! It is not a "safety" if your kid is not excited about attending. The entire purpose of picking good safeties is so you can actually pick places that are good fits for your kid and a place they want to be.

And stop with the "but there are no safeties for my high stats kid". There are....plenty of them. Your high stats kid can find plenty of like minded students at many schools. Sure one ranked 50-75 might not be 99% filled with kids with 1550+/3.99UW/15APs/etc, but there will be a large group of extremely smart, highly motivated, like minded students.
Now is the time to select your safeties, otherwise you may not like what is remaining come may of senior year.

OP again. Again, my medium-high stats kid was deferred from his top choice safety and accepted to a school with a historical 15% acceptance rate. He does need to find a few more safeties in case his acceptance falls through, and this has made it that much more difficult. We don't even know where to start looking anymore.

What's the intended major?

And what's the state?

There are roughly 4000 colleges out there.

People who use that last phrase there are often ones who would never send their kids to 3950 of those schools. Ask me how I know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:two white boys get in? The fact that pp feels comfortable saying this is a symptom of what is wrong with the world.

Yep. My white boy got shut out by two legacies with much, much lower stats. Really didn’t matter their race or gender.

Sounds like legacy matters at that school. Our DCs were aware of which parents were legacy and planned accordingly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:two white boys get in? The fact that pp feels comfortable saying this is a symptom of what is wrong with the world.

no, it's not. the school should've simply admitted all three. the girl was a double legacy, the boys were single. she was probably higher ranked than the one kid who was in less rigorous classes.

They probably needed males.

Studies show when schools bend too far female and fewer males—less want to enroll. The females also want close to a 50-50 balance. No dates otherwise

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This is an HYPSM, there’s no risk there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It can happen. But unlikely if they choose carefully.

With Naviance, there’s little excuse for choosing poorly.

Naviance hasn’t been accurate in two years since the test optional phenomenon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can happen. But unlikely if they choose carefully.

With Naviance, there’s little excuse for choosing poorly.

Naviance hasn’t been accurate in two years since the test optional phenomenon.

True. It's become a fairly useless tool now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can happen. But unlikely if they choose carefully.

With Naviance, there’s little excuse for choosing poorly.

Wrong. We are seeing rejections at our school that are way above (scores, goa) students from just last year and back to 2019.

The classes of 2019 and 2020 are not benchmarks in any way whatsoever.

It lets you choose specific year comparisons, data goes back to 2019.

Of course I did comparison of just last year. Then 2 years back and so on. Even last year and this year were totally different. No way done kids would have been deferred or rejected a year ago based on all that data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can happen. But unlikely if they choose carefully.

With Naviance, there’s little excuse for choosing poorly.

Naviance hasn’t been accurate in two years since the test optional phenomenon.

True. It's become a fairly useless tool now.

If the only thing that distinguishes your child from another candidate is an SAT score, you’ve got a problem. My kids sent their scores, but they have plenty that makes them stand out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can happen. But unlikely if they choose carefully.

With Naviance, there’s little excuse for choosing poorly.

Naviance hasn’t been accurate in two years since the test optional phenomenon.

True. It's become a fairly useless tool now.

If the only thing that distinguishes your child from another candidate is an SAT score, you’ve got a problem. My kids sent their scores, but they have plenty that makes them stand out.

I think SAT, GPA, may be graded paper and LOR might be the best to use for colleges because essays, EC somewhat can be due to family income and support from consultants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“But I do think there are some very strong applicants who applied to an appropriate range of reach/target/likely schools who never dreamed they would only get into likelies and are (understandably, in my opionion) so disappointed in their choices that it feels like a shutout.”

This may be my senior this year. In at several safeties but not excited about them. Worried that the targets will yield protect. And of course the reaches are a 5% possibility, 95% chance of rejection. We feel like we should come up with more targets but it’s hard to find ones that check all the boxes in terms of size, location, offerings, etc.

This is the biggest problem. You need to spend just as much time finding safeties you are reasonably excited about, as your targets and reaches.

Feels like people just pick random, high acceptance in-state schools for their safeties, even though there is no real interest in attending.

This 1000%! It is not a "safety" if your kid is not excited about attending. The entire purpose of picking good safeties is so you can actually pick places that are good fits for your kid and a place they want to be.

And stop with the "but there are no safeties for my high stats kid". There are....plenty of them. Your high stats kid can find plenty of like minded students at many schools. Sure one ranked 50-75 might not be 99% filled with kids with 1550+/3.99UW/15APs/etc, but there will be a large group of extremely smart, highly motivated, like minded students.
Now is the time to select your safeties, otherwise you may not like what is remaining come may of senior year.

OP again. Again, my medium-high stats kid was deferred from his top choice safety and accepted to a school with a historical 15% acceptance rate. He does need to find a few more safeties in case his acceptance falls through, and this has made it that much more difficult. We don't even know where to start looking anymore.

What safety was he deffered from? I missed that! Did it come after you wrote the OP?

It might be helpful if you list all the schools he's applied to and the status, because this is really confusing!

Sorry!

Accepted EA USCGA
Deferred EA Auburn
Awaiting RD at a handful of others I'd have to check on. Trying not to harp on him about them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:two white boys get in? The fact that pp feels comfortable saying this is a symptom of what is wrong with the world.

Yep. My white boy got shut out by two legacies with much, much lower stats. Really didn’t matter their race or gender.

They did not get shut out. They got rejected.

Deferred.

I think a deferral is a rejection these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:two white boys get in? The fact that pp feels comfortable saying this is a symptom of what is wrong with the world.

Yep. My white boy got shut out by two legacies with much, much lower stats. Really didn’t matter their race or gender.

They did not get shut out. They got rejected.

Deferred.

I think a deferral is a rejection these days.

No, not even close.

[Anonymous]

Yes