Do great students sometimes get shut out?

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Yes they do next question

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Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. That is life. Nothing is guaranteed.

Even if you are the best, you may not get the job.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

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Michigan 100% yield protects. They certify that they do! In CDS demonstrated interest field.

6 students with HYPSM admits were deferred at Michigan, including my child. We did not bother submitting LOCI and I dont think any of the others did as well, since Michigan is like 4th or 5th choice at this point.

Of course we did not know child would be lucky and the essays were of same quality as for T15 privates.

Then how on earth is anyone supposed to get into....well, let's not call it a safety, since Michigan is not, but how is anyone supposed to play it safe by applying to schools they're overqualified for?

For Michigan in particular, you have to convince the admissions officer that you were likely to attend in your essays. They cannot be an afterthought. You might actually spend more time on those essays then for higher ranked schools.

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Anonymous wrote:DS has an EA acceptance to his top choice in hand, so this is pretty much anxiety and idle curiosity speaking. Since admissions can be holistic and somewhat capricious, what happens when a solid student (say, 4+ GPA and 1400+ SAT with great EC's) is shut out from everywhere they applied, even targets and safeties? I'm guessing this happens with a lot of safeties that have more of an 80% admit rate than higher. Do you know anyone this has happened to?

Shut out? Or do you just mean rejected. If you're rejected from every target and safety, you didn't choose target or safety colleges. No individual top stat student is shut out from college.

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No - of course not. Great students have lots of opportunities !

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what shutout means. No kid is entitle to get admitted to any school. As we can all see, there is no and should be a specific criteria that admits all students. Every kid is different, with different academic history and interests. Every AO is different also. They are looking for different things.

To believe your kid shutout was wrong. It implies they were entitled to be admitted to a certain school and they were not. This is life. Move on.

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The only way this could happen is if a kid with high test scores had a low GPA. Then a smart kid (proven by test scores) would probably get "shut out." But that is exceedingly rare.

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago definitely yield protects.

We're talking publics.

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago definitely yield protects.

We're talking publics.

Since when?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what shutout means. No kid is entitle to get admitted to any school. As we can all see, there is no and should be a specific criteria that admits all students. Every kid is different, with different academic history and interests. Every AO is different also. They are looking for different things.

To believe your kid shutout was wrong. It implies they were entitled to be admitted to a certain school and they were not. This is life. Move on.

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I fail to see how PP's rant has anything to do with the discussion. No one is talking entitlement.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

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Michigan 100% yield protects. They certify that they do! In CDS demonstrated interest field.

6 students with HYPSM admits were deferred at Michigan, including my child. We did not bother submitting LOCI and I dont think any of the others did as well, since Michigan is like 4th or 5th choice at this point.

Of course we did not know child would be lucky and the essays were of same quality as for T15 privates.

Then how on earth is anyone supposed to get into....well, let's not call it a safety, since Michigan is not, but how is anyone supposed to play it safe by applying to schools they're overqualified for?

For Michigan in particular, you have to convince the admissions officer that you were likely to attend in your essays. They cannot be an afterthought. You might actually spend more time on those essays then for higher ranked schools.

My advice, if you are still reading:
For any selective school's supplement:
if any other kid could write your supplement, you are doing it wrong, and haven't researched and tailored it to your facts and circumstances.

My DD, admitted to Michigan EA OOS, started working on the Mich supplement in June or July. Wrote many drafts. Finished it in early October. Applied in early Oct. And then continued to refine that shell or storyline for several other T20 Why Major/Why School supplements.
And at the end of the process, no other supp quite looked like the Michigan supp - it was well thought out, personalized, detailed, and unique. The brainstorming and research took a while. It's more than listing classes and professors (if they wanted that it would be a 150-200 word essay). Its more how you think about engaging with your academics at Michigan and being a Wolverine and what that means to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

+1

Michigan 100% yield protects. They certify that they do! In CDS demonstrated interest field.

6 students with HYPSM admits were deferred at Michigan, including my child. We did not bother submitting LOCI and I dont think any of the others did as well, since Michigan is like 4th or 5th choice at this point.

Of course we did not know child would be lucky and the essays were of same quality as for T15 privates.

Then how on earth is anyone supposed to get into....well, let's not call it a safety, since Michigan is not, but how is anyone supposed to play it safe by applying to schools they're overqualified for?

For Michigan in particular, you have to convince the admissions officer that you were likely to attend in your essays. They cannot be an afterthought. You might actually spend more time on those essays then for higher ranked schools.

My advice, if you are still reading:
For any selective school's supplement:
if any other kid could write your supplement, you are doing it wrong, and haven't researched and tailored it to your facts and circumstances.

My DD, admitted to Michigan EA OOS, started working on the Mich supplement in June or July. Wrote many drafts. Finished it in early October. Applied in early Oct. And then continued to refine that shell or storyline for several other T20 Why Major/Why School supplements.
And at the end of the process, no other supp quite looked like the Michigan supp - it was well thought out, personalized, detailed, and unique. The brainstorming and research took a while. It's more than listing classes and professors (if they wanted that it would be a 150-200 word essay). Its more how you think about engaging with your academics at Michigan and being a Wolverine and what that means to you.

Are any applicants really that attached to a random state school?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

+1

Michigan 100% yield protects. They certify that they do! In CDS demonstrated interest field.

6 students with HYPSM admits were deferred at Michigan, including my child. We did not bother submitting LOCI and I dont think any of the others did as well, since Michigan is like 4th or 5th choice at this point.

Of course we did not know child would be lucky and the essays were of same quality as for T15 privates.

Then how on earth is anyone supposed to get into....well, let's not call it a safety, since Michigan is not, but how is anyone supposed to play it safe by applying to schools they're overqualified for?

For Michigan in particular, you have to convince the admissions officer that you were likely to attend in your essays. They cannot be an afterthought. You might actually spend more time on those essays then for higher ranked schools.

My advice, if you are still reading:
For any selective school's supplement:
if any other kid could write your supplement, you are doing it wrong, and haven't researched and tailored it to your facts and circumstances.

My DD, admitted to Michigan EA OOS, started working on the Mich supplement in June or July. Wrote many drafts. Finished it in early October. Applied in early Oct. And then continued to refine that shell or storyline for several other T20 Why Major/Why School supplements.
And at the end of the process, no other supp quite looked like the Michigan supp - it was well thought out, personalized, detailed, and unique. The brainstorming and research took a while. It's more than listing classes and professors (if they wanted that it would be a 150-200 word essay). Its more how you think about engaging with your academics at Michigan and being a Wolverine and what that means to you.

Are any applicants really that attached to a random state school?

If it’s a top three or four choice, I’m sure anyone would be. It’s all random after a certain point. Play your best cards.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

+1

Michigan 100% yield protects. They certify that they do! In CDS demonstrated interest field.

6 students with HYPSM admits were deferred at Michigan, including my child. We did not bother submitting LOCI and I dont think any of the others did as well, since Michigan is like 4th or 5th choice at this point.

Of course we did not know child would be lucky and the essays were of same quality as for T15 privates.

Then how on earth is anyone supposed to get into....well, let's not call it a safety, since Michigan is not, but how is anyone supposed to play it safe by applying to schools they're overqualified for?

For Michigan in particular, you have to convince the admissions officer that you were likely to attend in your essays. They cannot be an afterthought. You might actually spend more time on those essays then for higher ranked schools.

My advice, if you are still reading:
For any selective school's supplement:
if any other kid could write your supplement, you are doing it wrong, and haven't researched and tailored it to your facts and circumstances.

My DD, admitted to Michigan EA OOS, started working on the Mich supplement in June or July. Wrote many drafts. Finished it in early October. Applied in early Oct. And then continued to refine that shell or storyline for several other T20 Why Major/Why School supplements.
And at the end of the process, no other supp quite looked like the Michigan supp - it was well thought out, personalized, detailed, and unique. The brainstorming and research took a while. It's more than listing classes and professors (if they wanted that it would be a 150-200 word essay). Its more how you think about engaging with your academics at Michigan and being a Wolverine and what that means to you.

Colleges encourage this type of lying and then decry the lack of ethics among students.

What a shame!

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

+1

Michigan 100% yield protects. They certify that they do! In CDS demonstrated interest field.

6 students with HYPSM admits were deferred at Michigan, including my child. We did not bother submitting LOCI and I dont think any of the others did as well, since Michigan is like 4th or 5th choice at this point.

Of course we did not know child would be lucky and the essays were of same quality as for T15 privates.

Then how on earth is anyone supposed to get into....well, let's not call it a safety, since Michigan is not, but how is anyone supposed to play it safe by applying to schools they're overqualified for?

For Michigan in particular, you have to convince the admissions officer that you were likely to attend in your essays. They cannot be an afterthought. You might actually spend more time on those essays then for higher ranked schools.

My advice, if you are still reading:
For any selective school's supplement:
if any other kid could write your supplement, you are doing it wrong, and haven't researched and tailored it to your facts and circumstances.

My DD, admitted to Michigan EA OOS, started working on the Mich supplement in June or July. Wrote many drafts. Finished it in early October. Applied in early Oct. And then continued to refine that shell or storyline for several other T20 Why Major/Why School supplements.
And at the end of the process, no other supp quite looked like the Michigan supp - it was well thought out, personalized, detailed, and unique. The brainstorming and research took a while. It's more than listing classes and professors (if they wanted that it would be a 150-200 word essay). Its more how you think about engaging with your academics at Michigan and being a Wolverine and what that means to you.

Colleges encourage this type of lying and then decry the lack of ethics among students.

What a shame!

Isn't this what you do for every college's supplement? What's the difference? Where's the lie?