New Mexico Governor's unConstitutional power grab

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Bruen, the court said there is a right to carry. This EO isn’t going to survive a court challenge.

It's a temporary 30 day order. It will expire before it even gets through the courts.

it is not working.... day 1..... first shooting, in the ghetto section of town, no surprise, I guess he didn't get the memo, oh and also i am ignoring whatever that short, fat, gov says, started with the fake pandemic and the facemasks.

More likely not working because the Sheriffs have said the won't enforce it. All of those dudes now walking around with bulky gun outlines in their clothing will just get ignored and be allowed to continue using them to rob, threaten, murder, rape et cetera.

[Anonymous]

Lawsuit against Gov. Grisham's order filed yesterday.

Bernalillo County District Attorney Sam Bregman, who once served as a Democratic party leader and was appointed by Lujan Grisham, on Saturday joined Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller and Police Chief Harold Medina saying they wouldn’t enforce the order because it is unconstitutional.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/group-sues-after-new-mexico-governor-suspends-carry-103060141

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You keep citing the Constitution. It also guarantees the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Yet those rights keep being taken away because of unfettered gun violence.

Why are those constitutional rights supposed to take a back seat to 2A?

How can that be justified? The Constitution makes no provision for 2A reigning supreme over all other clauses.

The Constitution does not guarantee the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. That phrase is from the Declaration of Independence, where it is stated that the Creator has endowed all men with inalienable rights including those. The Constitution's Bill of Rights for all citizens that the federal government may not infringe is where 2A is found.

Preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It's right in the mission statement of the Constitution...

Establish Justice: So how does unfettered gun ownership establish Justice? What about justice where it comes to the underground market place of guns fueling drug wars? What about justice where it comes to mentally ill people being able to buy guns and then shoot children in schools? The right wing is failing us there.

Insure domestic tranquility: Unfettered gun ownership has only caused gun violence to increase in America. Another fail.

Provide for the common defense: Again a fail, since we have less security and peace of mind as a society

Promote the general Welfare: How is it promoting the general welfare to have mentally ill people able to pass a background check to buy a gun? How is it promoting the general welfare to have tons of guns circulated in an underground market place so that felons can easily bypass the system and buy guns? Huge fail.

Secure the blessings of liberty: How do we have liberty when we have to worry about locking down our children in their schools? That is not liberty.

Ourselves and our posterity: Again, where is our posterity if our children (our posterity) are being gunned down in schools?

The current interpretation of 2A has trampled all over the core intent of the Constitution as laid out in the preamble. Something HAS to give. And Heller, NFA and other things should be showing us the way, that 2A *is not* absolute. It needs to give way.

Now do that for the policies allowing millions to pour across our border.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You keep citing the Constitution. It also guarantees the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Yet those rights keep being taken away because of unfettered gun violence.

Why are those constitutional rights supposed to take a back seat to 2A?

How can that be justified? The Constitution makes no provision for 2A reigning supreme over all other clauses.

The Constitution does not guarantee the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. That phrase is from the Declaration of Independence, where it is stated that the Creator has endowed all men with inalienable rights including those. The Constitution's Bill of Rights for all citizens that the federal government may not infringe is where 2A is found.

Preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It's right in the mission statement of the Constitution...

Establish Justice: So how does unfettered gun ownership establish Justice? What about justice where it comes to the underground market place of guns fueling drug wars? What about justice where it comes to mentally ill people being able to buy guns and then shoot children in schools? The right wing is failing us there.

Insure domestic tranquility: Unfettered gun ownership has only caused gun violence to increase in America. Another fail.

Provide for the common defense: Again a fail, since we have less security and peace of mind as a society

Promote the general Welfare: How is it promoting the general welfare to have mentally ill people able to pass a background check to buy a gun? How is it promoting the general welfare to have tons of guns circulated in an underground market place so that felons can easily bypass the system and buy guns? Huge fail.

Secure the blessings of liberty: How do we have liberty when we have to worry about locking down our children in their schools? That is not liberty.

Ourselves and our posterity: Again, where is our posterity if our children (our posterity) are being gunned down in schools?

The current interpretation of 2A has trampled all over the core intent of the Constitution as laid out in the preamble. Something HAS to give. And Heller, NFA and other things should be showing us the way, that 2A *is not* absolute. It needs to give way.

Now do that for the policies allowing millions to pour across our border.

I have plenty of solutions for the people pouring across the border, like working with Mexico to help them deal with migrants and to have them do a massive messaging campaign to expose the BS of the traffickers making false promises to migrants. Like hiring a big cadre of immigration judges and having them stationed at the border crossings to hear their asylum claims on the spot. We already know 80+ percent of asylum claims are not legitimate, so turn them right around and send them back the way they came. Like having mandatory drug treatment programs to get people clean and off of the drugs coming across the border. Like having worker visas for the ones that we actually want to hire. Things like that would reduce it by 90% plus, far more than Trump's wall did.

Now your turn - when are we going to start having accountability for guns, like mandatory registration and background checks for EVERY gun transfer, whether by dealer or private individual? And have all of the data go into a searchable national database, so that we can track down the straw buyers and gunrunners? When are we going to impose serious criminal sanctions for illicit guns? When are we going to treat guns the same way we do cars, with requirements for licensing, health qualifications, written and practical exams, and periodic renewal? Require insurance to cover the cost of gun violence? Require gun owners to periodically present all of their guns to ensure they can still account for every one of them and to ensure they haven't been illegally modified and that they are still safe to operate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lawsuit against Gov. Grisham's order filed yesterday.

Bernalillo County District Attorney Sam Bregman, who once served as a Democratic party leader and was appointed by Lujan Grisham, on Saturday joined Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller and Police Chief Harold Medina saying they wouldn’t enforce the order because it is unconstitutional.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/group-sues-after-new-mexico-governor-suspends-carry-103060141

Unabated gun violence is unconstitutional.

New Mexico Constitution:
Sec. 4. [Inherent rights.]
All persons are born equally free, and
have certain natural, inherent and inalienable rights, among which are the rights of
enjoying and defending life and liberty, of
acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and of seeking and obtaining safety
and happiness.

That part COMES BEFORE the right to keep and bear arms in the New Mexico Constitution.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You keep citing the Constitution. It also guarantees the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Yet those rights keep being taken away because of unfettered gun violence.

Why are those constitutional rights supposed to take a back seat to 2A?

How can that be justified? The Constitution makes no provision for 2A reigning supreme over all other clauses.

The Constitution does not guarantee the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. That phrase is from the Declaration of Independence, where it is stated that the Creator has endowed all men with inalienable rights including those. The Constitution's Bill of Rights for all citizens that the federal government may not infringe is where 2A is found.

Preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It's right in the mission statement of the Constitution...

Establish Justice: So how does unfettered gun ownership establish Justice? What about justice where it comes to the underground market place of guns fueling drug wars? What about justice where it comes to mentally ill people being able to buy guns and then shoot children in schools? The right wing is failing us there.

Insure domestic tranquility: Unfettered gun ownership has only caused gun violence to increase in America. Another fail.

Provide for the common defense: Again a fail, since we have less security and peace of mind as a society

Promote the general Welfare: How is it promoting the general welfare to have mentally ill people able to pass a background check to buy a gun? How is it promoting the general welfare to have tons of guns circulated in an underground market place so that felons can easily bypass the system and buy guns? Huge fail.

Secure the blessings of liberty: How do we have liberty when we have to worry about locking down our children in their schools? That is not liberty.

Ourselves and our posterity: Again, where is our posterity if our children (our posterity) are being gunned down in schools?

The current interpretation of 2A has trampled all over the core intent of the Constitution as laid out in the preamble. Something HAS to give. And Heller, NFA and other things should be showing us the way, that 2A *is not* absolute. It needs to give way.

Now do that for the policies allowing millions to pour across our border.

I have plenty of solutions for the people pouring across the border, like working with Mexico to help them deal with migrants and to have them do a massive messaging campaign to expose the BS of the traffickers making false promises to migrants. Like hiring a big cadre of immigration judges and having them stationed at the border crossings to hear their asylum claims on the spot. We already know 80+ percent of asylum claims are not legitimate, so turn them right around and send them back the way they came. Like having mandatory drug treatment programs to get people clean and off of the drugs coming across the border. Like having worker visas for the ones that we actually want to hire. Things like that would reduce it by 90% plus, far more than Trump's wall did.

Now your turn - when are we going to start having accountability for guns, like mandatory registration and background checks for EVERY gun transfer, whether by dealer or private individual? And have all of the data go into a searchable national database, so that we can track down the straw buyers and gunrunners? When are we going to impose serious criminal sanctions for illicit guns? When are we going to treat guns the same way we do cars, with requirements for licensing, health qualifications, written and practical exams, and periodic renewal? Require insurance to cover the cost of gun violence? Require gun owners to periodically present all of their guns to ensure they can still account for every one of them and to ensure they haven't been illegally modified and that they are still safe to operate?

Do you think they care about your mandatory whatever???





https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/18-arrested-charged-with-gun-drug-felonies-in-aurora

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You keep citing the Constitution. It also guarantees the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Yet those rights keep being taken away because of unfettered gun violence.

Why are those constitutional rights supposed to take a back seat to 2A?

How can that be justified? The Constitution makes no provision for 2A reigning supreme over all other clauses.

The Constitution does not guarantee the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. That phrase is from the Declaration of Independence, where it is stated that the Creator has endowed all men with inalienable rights including those. The Constitution's Bill of Rights for all citizens that the federal government may not infringe is where 2A is found.

Preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It's right in the mission statement of the Constitution...

Establish Justice: So how does unfettered gun ownership establish Justice? What about justice where it comes to the underground market place of guns fueling drug wars? What about justice where it comes to mentally ill people being able to buy guns and then shoot children in schools? The right wing is failing us there.

Insure domestic tranquility: Unfettered gun ownership has only caused gun violence to increase in America. Another fail.

Provide for the common defense: Again a fail, since we have less security and peace of mind as a society

Promote the general Welfare: How is it promoting the general welfare to have mentally ill people able to pass a background check to buy a gun? How is it promoting the general welfare to have tons of guns circulated in an underground market place so that felons can easily bypass the system and buy guns? Huge fail.

Secure the blessings of liberty: How do we have liberty when we have to worry about locking down our children in their schools? That is not liberty.

Ourselves and our posterity: Again, where is our posterity if our children (our posterity) are being gunned down in schools?

The current interpretation of 2A has trampled all over the core intent of the Constitution as laid out in the preamble. Something HAS to give. And Heller, NFA and other things should be showing us the way, that 2A *is not* absolute. It needs to give way.

Now do that for the policies allowing millions to pour across our border.

I have plenty of solutions for the people pouring across the border, like working with Mexico to help them deal with migrants and to have them do a massive messaging campaign to expose the BS of the traffickers making false promises to migrants. Like hiring a big cadre of immigration judges and having them stationed at the border crossings to hear their asylum claims on the spot. We already know 80+ percent of asylum claims are not legitimate, so turn them right around and send them back the way they came. Like having mandatory drug treatment programs to get people clean and off of the drugs coming across the border. Like having worker visas for the ones that we actually want to hire. Things like that would reduce it by 90% plus, far more than Trump's wall did.

Now your turn - when are we going to start having accountability for guns, like mandatory registration and background checks for EVERY gun transfer, whether by dealer or private individual? And have all of the data go into a searchable national database, so that we can track down the straw buyers and gunrunners? When are we going to impose serious criminal sanctions for illicit guns? When are we going to treat guns the same way we do cars, with requirements for licensing, health qualifications, written and practical exams, and periodic renewal? Require insurance to cover the cost of gun violence? Require gun owners to periodically present all of their guns to ensure they can still account for every one of them and to ensure they haven't been illegally modified and that they are still safe to operate?

Do you think they care about your mandatory whatever???






Are those the J6’ers?
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/18-arrested-charged-with-gun-drug-felonies-in-aurora

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elections are coming up, time to test the emergency orders again. Make everyone mask up, take away law abiding citizens rights.

Is it going to work again this time?

Your freedom to swing your fists ends at someone else's nose.

Your freedoms end at the point where they put someone else at risk. When your freedoms end up taking away someone else's freedom (and especially, when your freedoms take away someone's greatest and most important freedom - their life) that is when controls need to come in.

One person swings their fist. The other doesn't.

Cut both their hands off?

Per the person responding above about what the Republican proposal is to end gun violence,

"Put the boots on the neck of those communities that are producing the most violence."

So that means gun owners. Maybe having a boot on your neck, having a broader crackdown, will make you think about how we should have more responsible policies about guns.

Like, why it is so easy for people with a history of mental illness, domestic violence, anger management issues to get a gun in the first place - or why we don't have a searchable database to help track down and close off the pipelines by which many criminals get their guns (straw buyers and gunrunners).

People like you keep saying things like "the black community should find a way to solve the issue of violence of blacks on blacks" so why shouldn't the same logic apply, and the community of gun owners have pressure put on them and be held responsible to solve the issue of ending the rampant gun violence?

Legal gun owners are not causing the most destruction. Hate to say it but minority communities have the most gun violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow.
Women lose a constitutional right held for a generation, and people shrug and wonder if it will matter in the voting booth next year.
Gun nuts have to leave their guns at home for a month, and LOSE THEIR MINDS!!!!

Abortion is not a constitutional right. It’s not in the constitution.

Open carry is not in the constitution.

Shall not be infringed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow.
Women lose a constitutional right held for a generation, and people shrug and wonder if it will matter in the voting booth next year.
Gun nuts have to leave their guns at home for a month, and LOSE THEIR MINDS!!!!

Abortion is not a constitutional right. It’s not in the constitution.

Open carry is not in the constitution.

Shall not be infringed

A well regulated Militia….

[Anonymous]

Can the governor potentially be indicted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lawsuit against Gov. Grisham's order filed yesterday.

Bernalillo County District Attorney Sam Bregman, who once served as a Democratic party leader and was appointed by Lujan Grisham, on Saturday joined Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller and Police Chief Harold Medina saying they wouldn’t enforce the order because it is unconstitutional.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/group-sues-after-new-mexico-governor-suspends-carry-103060141

Unabated gun violence is unconstitutional.

New Mexico Constitution:
Sec. 4. [Inherent rights.]
All persons are born equally free, and
have certain natural, inherent and inalienable rights, among which are the rights of
enjoying and defending life and liberty, of
acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and of seeking and obtaining safety
and happiness.

That part COMES BEFORE the right to keep and bear arms in the New Mexico Constitution.

Do ban cars, knives, rocks, hammers, etc. Anything that can cause someone’s death.I’d say natural gas and electricity but Dems are already floating that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow.
Women lose a constitutional right held for a generation, and people shrug and wonder if it will matter in the voting booth next year.
Gun nuts have to leave their guns at home for a month, and LOSE THEIR MINDS!!!!

Abortion is not a constitutional right. It’s not in the constitution.

Open carry is not in the constitution.

Shall not be infringed

A well regulated Militia….

that was gone over. Commas matter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lawsuit against Gov. Grisham's order filed yesterday.

Bernalillo County District Attorney Sam Bregman, who once served as a Democratic party leader and was appointed by Lujan Grisham, on Saturday joined Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller and Police Chief Harold Medina saying they wouldn’t enforce the order because it is unconstitutional.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/group-sues-after-new-mexico-governor-suspends-carry-103060141

Unabated gun violence is unconstitutional.

New Mexico Constitution:
Sec. 4. [Inherent rights.]
All persons are born equally free, and
have certain natural, inherent and inalienable rights, among which are the rights of
enjoying and defending life and liberty, of
acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and of seeking and obtaining safety
and happiness.

That part COMES BEFORE the right to keep and bear arms in the New Mexico Constitution.

Do ban cars, knives, rocks, hammers, etc. Anything that can cause someone’s death.I’d say natural gas and electricity but Dems are already floating that.

Are the principle uses of those other things to kill or injure other living beings?