WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES

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Anonymous wrote:I think TJ students should be passing at 100%. I don't understand why they are not. Maybe, a few on English because of ESOL--but the idea of TJ was that they learn quickly and easily.

Um, they pretty much are. You are trolling. Their pass rates are exceptionally high. Pass advanced rates for math and science are almost double or more what you see at other top schools. Not good enough? But as noted, to understand why pass advanced scores aren't higher comes down to who is actually taking the tests. Many aren't.

You have to get to the details I think.

TJ 9th graders scored a lower pass advanced rate in geometry than nearly every middle school in the county. These would be the 30% of kids that came in with only Algebra.

I guess I’m more surprised that by the end of the freshman year at the one of the best STEM schools in the country, they couldn’t muster better scores than any number of other 8th grade cohorts.

The math department at TJ is notorious. This seems to reflect that.

The math department doesn’t create or grade SOLs. And their previous SOL rates were much much better.

It really doesn’t make sense for this freshman class to score so poorly on the geometry SOL. Previous years Alg II pass advanced rates were nearly double this freshman classes geo scores.

Look back through the thread. I think it's selection effects. Not everyone taking the test and the ones who are may not be the strongest.

That’s not correct. Nearly every geometry student took the geometry SOL. 120 of them.

Where do you see the 120 for Geometry? When I look at the 2022-23 9th grade Geometry SOL data, it shows 22 TJ students took that test.

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Anonymous wrote:I think TJ students should be passing at 100%. I don't understand why they are not. Maybe, a few on English because of ESOL--but the idea of TJ was that they learn quickly and easily.

Um, they pretty much are. You are trolling. Their pass rates are exceptionally high. Pass advanced rates for math and science are almost double or more what you see at other top schools. Not good enough? But as noted, to understand why pass advanced scores aren't higher comes down to who is actually taking the tests. Many aren't.

You have to get to the details I think.

TJ 9th graders scored a lower pass advanced rate in geometry than nearly every middle school in the county. These would be the 30% of kids that came in with only Algebra.

I guess I’m more surprised that by the end of the freshman year at the one of the best STEM schools in the country, they couldn’t muster better scores than any number of other 8th grade cohorts.

The math department at TJ is notorious. This seems to reflect that.

The math department doesn’t create or grade SOLs. And their previous SOL rates were much much better.

It really doesn’t make sense for this freshman class to score so poorly on the geometry SOL. Previous years Alg II pass advanced rates were nearly double this freshman classes geo scores.

Look back through the thread. I think it's selection effects. Not everyone taking the test and the ones who are may not be the strongest.

That’s not correct. Nearly every geometry student took the geometry SOL. 120 of them.

Where do you see the 120 for Geometry? When I look at the 2022-23 9th grade Geometry SOL data, it shows 22 TJ students took that test.

You are right. I didn’t bother filtering for grade because no one at TJ would be taking geometry SOL past grade 9.

Turns out the other 100 students taking the SOL were grade 10. Not sure that’s a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I think TJ students should be passing at 100%. I don't understand why they are not. Maybe, a few on English because of ESOL--but the idea of TJ was that they learn quickly and easily.

Remember, SOLs don’t count towards a grade and some students only care about their grade. I’ve had students in my honors class fail because they rush through, thinking they will get an easy pass. They fail and then are embarrassed, study and pass advanced on the retake. This could be one possible reason the pass rate isn’t 100%. I don’t work at TJ but a different high school.

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Anonymous wrote:I think TJ students should be passing at 100%. I don't understand why they are not. Maybe, a few on English because of ESOL--but the idea of TJ was that they learn quickly and easily.

Um, they pretty much are. You are trolling. Their pass rates are exceptionally high. Pass advanced rates for math and science are almost double or more what you see at other top schools. Not good enough? But as noted, to understand why pass advanced scores aren't higher comes down to who is actually taking the tests. Many aren't.

You have to get to the details I think.

TJ 9th graders scored a lower pass advanced rate in geometry than nearly every middle school in the county. These would be the 30% of kids that came in with only Algebra.

I guess I’m more surprised that by the end of the freshman year at the one of the best STEM schools in the country, they couldn’t muster better scores than any number of other 8th grade cohorts.

The math department at TJ is notorious. This seems to reflect that.

The math department doesn’t create or grade SOLs. And their previous SOL rates were much much better.

It really doesn’t make sense for this freshman class to score so poorly on the geometry SOL. Previous years Alg II pass advanced rates were nearly double this freshman classes geo scores.

Look back through the thread. I think it's selection effects. Not everyone taking the test and the ones who are may not be the strongest.

That’s not correct. Nearly every geometry student took the geometry SOL. 120 of them.

I imagine most if not all geometry students at TJ are freshman. This would be why they took the SOL. Students need to take 1 math SOL in high school. It’s not a surprise they didn’t score pass advance. See my other post about honors kids blowing off SOLs. A pass vs a pass advanced on an SOL means nothing in high school, especially at TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:I think TJ students should be passing at 100%. I don't understand why they are not. Maybe, a few on English because of ESOL--but the idea of TJ was that they learn quickly and easily.

Um, they pretty much are. You are trolling. Their pass rates are exceptionally high. Pass advanced rates for math and science are almost double or more what you see at other top schools. Not good enough? But as noted, to understand why pass advanced scores aren't higher comes down to who is actually taking the tests. Many aren't.

You have to get to the details I think.

TJ 9th graders scored a lower pass advanced rate in geometry than nearly every middle school in the county. These would be the 30% of kids that came in with only Algebra.

I guess I’m more surprised that by the end of the freshman year at the one of the best STEM schools in the country, they couldn’t muster better scores than any number of other 8th grade cohorts.

The math department at TJ is notorious. This seems to reflect that.

The math department doesn’t create or grade SOLs. And their previous SOL rates were much much better.

It really doesn’t make sense for this freshman class to score so poorly on the geometry SOL. Previous years Alg II pass advanced rates were nearly double this freshman classes geo scores.

Look back through the thread. I think it's selection effects. Not everyone taking the test and the ones who are may not be the strongest.

That’s not correct. Nearly every geometry student took the geometry SOL. 120 of them.

I imagine most if not all geometry students at TJ are freshman. This would be why they took the SOL. Students need to take 1 math SOL in high school. It’s not a surprise they didn’t score pass advance. See my other post about honors kids blowing off SOLs. A pass vs a pass advanced on an SOL means nothing in high school, especially at TJ.

Again, nearly every middle school performed better including the non-AAP middle schools. They also had no reason to try hard and could have blown it off.

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Anonymous wrote:I think TJ students should be passing at 100%. I don't understand why they are not. Maybe, a few on English because of ESOL--but the idea of TJ was that they learn quickly and easily.

Um, they pretty much are. You are trolling. Their pass rates are exceptionally high. Pass advanced rates for math and science are almost double or more what you see at other top schools. Not good enough? But as noted, to understand why pass advanced scores aren't higher comes down to who is actually taking the tests. Many aren't.

You have to get to the details I think.

TJ 9th graders scored a lower pass advanced rate in geometry than nearly every middle school in the county. These would be the 30% of kids that came in with only Algebra.

I guess I’m more surprised that by the end of the freshman year at the one of the best STEM schools in the country, they couldn’t muster better scores than any number of other 8th grade cohorts.

The math department at TJ is notorious. This seems to reflect that.

The math department doesn’t create or grade SOLs. And their previous SOL rates were much much better.

It really doesn’t make sense for this freshman class to score so poorly on the geometry SOL. Previous years Alg II pass advanced rates were nearly double this freshman classes geo scores.

Look back through the thread. I think it's selection effects. Not everyone taking the test and the ones who are may not be the strongest.

That’s not correct. Nearly every geometry student took the geometry SOL. 120 of them.

I imagine most if not all geometry students at TJ are freshman. This would be why they took the SOL. Students need to take 1 math SOL in high school. It’s not a surprise they didn’t score pass advance. See my other post about honors kids blowing off SOLs. A pass vs a pass advanced on an SOL means nothing in high school, especially at TJ.

From TJ's SOL data, in 2022-23, there were 22 9th graders and 98 10th graders who took the geometry SOL. If nearly all of TJ's geometry students are 9th graders, why would so many being taking the geometry SOL in 10th grade?

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Anonymous wrote:I think TJ students should be passing at 100%. I don't understand why they are not. Maybe, a few on English because of ESOL--but the idea of TJ was that they learn quickly and easily.

Um, they pretty much are. You are trolling. Their pass rates are exceptionally high. Pass advanced rates for math and science are almost double or more what you see at other top schools. Not good enough? But as noted, to understand why pass advanced scores aren't higher comes down to who is actually taking the tests. Many aren't.

You have to get to the details I think.

TJ 9th graders scored a lower pass advanced rate in geometry than nearly every middle school in the county. These would be the 30% of kids that came in with only Algebra.

I guess I’m more surprised that by the end of the freshman year at the one of the best STEM schools in the country, they couldn’t muster better scores than any number of other 8th grade cohorts.

The math department at TJ is notorious. This seems to reflect that.

The math department doesn’t create or grade SOLs. And their previous SOL rates were much much better.

It really doesn’t make sense for this freshman class to score so poorly on the geometry SOL. Previous years Alg II pass advanced rates were nearly double this freshman classes geo scores.

Look back through the thread. I think it's selection effects. Not everyone taking the test and the ones who are may not be the strongest.

That’s not correct. Nearly every geometry student took the geometry SOL. 120 of them.

I imagine most if not all geometry students at TJ are freshman. This would be why they took the SOL. Students need to take 1 math SOL in high school. It’s not a surprise they didn’t score pass advance. See my other post about honors kids blowing off SOLs. A pass vs a pass advanced on an SOL means nothing in high school, especially at TJ.

From TJ's SOL data, in 2022-23, there were 22 9th graders and 98 10th graders who took the geometry SOL. If nearly all of TJ's geometry students are 9th graders, why would so many being taking the geometry SOL in 10th grade?

TJ students take statistics their first semester, so those who are taking geometry take the first half of geometry the second semester of 9th grade and the second half of geometry the first semester of 10th grade. I don't know if they take the SOL at the end of the first semester, or at the end of the second semester with the rest of the SOLs; the latter could explain the low pass advance rate if they haven't taken the class in a semester.

I'm guessing the 22 9th graders taking geometry are transfers from out of state or private school who are in Algebra 2 or higher and need to take an extra SOL test.

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Anonymous wrote:I think TJ students should be passing at 100%. I don't understand why they are not. Maybe, a few on English because of ESOL--but the idea of TJ was that they learn quickly and easily.

Um, they pretty much are. You are trolling. Their pass rates are exceptionally high. Pass advanced rates for math and science are almost double or more what you see at other top schools. Not good enough? But as noted, to understand why pass advanced scores aren't higher comes down to who is actually taking the tests. Many aren't.

You have to get to the details I think.

TJ 9th graders scored a lower pass advanced rate in geometry than nearly every middle school in the county. These would be the 30% of kids that came in with only Algebra.

I guess I’m more surprised that by the end of the freshman year at the one of the best STEM schools in the country, they couldn’t muster better scores than any number of other 8th grade cohorts.

The math department at TJ is notorious. This seems to reflect that.

The math department doesn’t create or grade SOLs. And their previous SOL rates were much much better.

It really doesn’t make sense for this freshman class to score so poorly on the geometry SOL. Previous years Alg II pass advanced rates were nearly double this freshman classes geo scores.

Look back through the thread. I think it's selection effects. Not everyone taking the test and the ones who are may not be the strongest.

That’s not correct. Nearly every geometry student took the geometry SOL. 120 of them.

I imagine most if not all geometry students at TJ are freshman. This would be why they took the SOL. Students need to take 1 math SOL in high school. It’s not a surprise they didn’t score pass advance. See my other post about honors kids blowing off SOLs. A pass vs a pass advanced on an SOL means nothing in high school, especially at TJ.

From TJ's SOL data, in 2022-23, there were 22 9th graders and 98 10th graders who took the geometry SOL. If nearly all of TJ's geometry students are 9th graders, why would so many being taking the geometry SOL in 10th grade?

TJ students take statistics their first semester, so those who are taking geometry take the first half of geometry the second semester of 9th grade and the second half of geometry the first semester of 10th grade. I don't know if they take the SOL at the end of the first semester, or at the end of the second semester with the rest of the SOLs; the latter could explain the low pass advance rate if they haven't taken the class in a semester.

I'm guessing the 22 9th graders taking geometry are transfers from out of state or private school who are in Algebra 2 or higher and need to take an extra SOL test.

That makes sense. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:I think TJ students should be passing at 100%. I don't understand why they are not. Maybe, a few on English because of ESOL--but the idea of TJ was that they learn quickly and easily.

Um, they pretty much are. You are trolling. Their pass rates are exceptionally high. Pass advanced rates for math and science are almost double or more what you see at other top schools. Not good enough? But as noted, to understand why pass advanced scores aren't higher comes down to who is actually taking the tests. Many aren't.

You have to get to the details I think.

TJ 9th graders scored a lower pass advanced rate in geometry than nearly every middle school in the county. These would be the 30% of kids that came in with only Algebra.

I guess I’m more surprised that by the end of the freshman year at the one of the best STEM schools in the country, they couldn’t muster better scores than any number of other 8th grade cohorts.

The math department at TJ is notorious. This seems to reflect that.

The math department doesn’t create or grade SOLs. And their previous SOL rates were much much better.

It really doesn’t make sense for this freshman class to score so poorly on the geometry SOL. Previous years Alg II pass advanced rates were nearly double this freshman classes geo scores.

Look back through the thread. I think it's selection effects. Not everyone taking the test and the ones who are may not be the strongest.

That’s not correct. Nearly every geometry student took the geometry SOL. 120 of them.

I imagine most if not all geometry students at TJ are freshman. This would be why they took the SOL. Students need to take 1 math SOL in high school. It’s not a surprise they didn’t score pass advance. See my other post about honors kids blowing off SOLs. A pass vs a pass advanced on an SOL means nothing in high school, especially at TJ.

From TJ's SOL data, in 2022-23, there were 22 9th graders and 98 10th graders who took the geometry SOL. If nearly all of TJ's geometry students are 9th graders, why would so many being taking the geometry SOL in 10th grade?

TJ students take statistics their first semester, so those who are taking geometry take the first half of geometry the second semester of 9th grade and the second half of geometry the first semester of 10th grade. I don't know if they take the SOL at the end of the first semester, or at the end of the second semester with the rest of the SOLs; the latter could explain the low pass advance rate if they haven't taken the class in a semester.

I'm guessing the 22 9th graders taking geometry are transfers from out of state or private school who are in Algebra 2 or higher and need to take an extra SOL test.

wow. If they forget geometry in one semester, then shame on them. They didn’t learn it well to begin with and not much stuck.

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Anonymous wrote:I think TJ students should be passing at 100%. I don't understand why they are not. Maybe, a few on English because of ESOL--but the idea of TJ was that they learn quickly and easily.

Um, they pretty much are. You are trolling. Their pass rates are exceptionally high. Pass advanced rates for math and science are almost double or more what you see at other top schools. Not good enough? But as noted, to understand why pass advanced scores aren't higher comes down to who is actually taking the tests. Many aren't.

You have to get to the details I think.

TJ 9th graders scored a lower pass advanced rate in geometry than nearly every middle school in the county. These would be the 30% of kids that came in with only Algebra.

I guess I’m more surprised that by the end of the freshman year at the one of the best STEM schools in the country, they couldn’t muster better scores than any number of other 8th grade cohorts.

The math department at TJ is notorious. This seems to reflect that.

The math department doesn’t create or grade SOLs. And their previous SOL rates were much much better.

It really doesn’t make sense for this freshman class to score so poorly on the geometry SOL. Previous years Alg II pass advanced rates were nearly double this freshman classes geo scores.

Look back through the thread. I think it's selection effects. Not everyone taking the test and the ones who are may not be the strongest.

That’s not correct. Nearly every geometry student took the geometry SOL. 120 of them.

I imagine most if not all geometry students at TJ are freshman. This would be why they took the SOL. Students need to take 1 math SOL in high school. It’s not a surprise they didn’t score pass advance. See my other post about honors kids blowing off SOLs. A pass vs a pass advanced on an SOL means nothing in high school, especially at TJ.

From TJ's SOL data, in 2022-23, there were 22 9th graders and 98 10th graders who took the geometry SOL. If nearly all of TJ's geometry students are 9th graders, why would so many being taking the geometry SOL in 10th grade?

TJ students take statistics their first semester, so those who are taking geometry take the first half of geometry the second semester of 9th grade and the second half of geometry the first semester of 10th grade. I don't know if they take the SOL at the end of the first semester, or at the end of the second semester with the rest of the SOLs; the latter could explain the low pass advance rate if they haven't taken the class in a semester.

I'm guessing the 22 9th graders taking geometry are transfers from out of state or private school who are in Algebra 2 or higher and need to take an extra SOL test.

10th graders take Geometry in first semester and Algebra 2 in second semester and take the Geometry SOL. Why wouldn't they take the Algebra 2 SOL, which is the material they are freshest on? 9th graders take statistics in first semester and Algebra 2 in second semester and take the Algebra 2 SOL. Why do 9th graders taking Algebra 2 take one SOL and 10th graders taking Algebra 2 take a different SOL?

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Anonymous wrote:I think TJ students should be passing at 100%. I don't understand why they are not. Maybe, a few on English because of ESOL--but the idea of TJ was that they learn quickly and easily.

Um, they pretty much are. You are trolling. Their pass rates are exceptionally high. Pass advanced rates for math and science are almost double or more what you see at other top schools. Not good enough? But as noted, to understand why pass advanced scores aren't higher comes down to who is actually taking the tests. Many aren't.

You have to get to the details I think.

TJ 9th graders scored a lower pass advanced rate in geometry than nearly every middle school in the county. These would be the 30% of kids that came in with only Algebra.

I guess I’m more surprised that by the end of the freshman year at the one of the best STEM schools in the country, they couldn’t muster better scores than any number of other 8th grade cohorts.

The math department at TJ is notorious. This seems to reflect that.

The math department doesn’t create or grade SOLs. And their previous SOL rates were much much better.

It really doesn’t make sense for this freshman class to score so poorly on the geometry SOL. Previous years Alg II pass advanced rates were nearly double this freshman classes geo scores.

Look back through the thread. I think it's selection effects. Not everyone taking the test and the ones who are may not be the strongest.

That’s not correct. Nearly every geometry student took the geometry SOL. 120 of them.

I imagine most if not all geometry students at TJ are freshman. This would be why they took the SOL. Students need to take 1 math SOL in high school. It’s not a surprise they didn’t score pass advance. See my other post about honors kids blowing off SOLs. A pass vs a pass advanced on an SOL means nothing in high school, especially at TJ.

From TJ's SOL data, in 2022-23, there were 22 9th graders and 98 10th graders who took the geometry SOL. If nearly all of TJ's geometry students are 9th graders, why would so many being taking the geometry SOL in 10th grade?

TJ students take statistics their first semester, so those who are taking geometry take the first half of geometry the second semester of 9th grade and the second half of geometry the first semester of 10th grade. I don't know if they take the SOL at the end of the first semester, or at the end of the second semester with the rest of the SOLs; the latter could explain the low pass advance rate if they haven't taken the class in a semester.

I'm guessing the 22 9th graders taking geometry are transfers from out of state or private school who are in Algebra 2 or higher and need to take an extra SOL test.

10th graders take Geometry in first semester and Algebra 2 in second semester and take the Geometry SOL. Why wouldn't they take the Algebra 2 SOL, which is the material they are freshest on? 9th graders take statistics in first semester and Algebra 2 in second semester and take the Algebra 2 SOL. Why do 9th graders taking Algebra 2 take one SOL and 10th graders taking Algebra 2 take a different SOL?

The tenth graders take both the geometry and algebra 2 sols.

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Anonymous wrote:I think TJ students should be passing at 100%. I don't understand why they are not. Maybe, a few on English because of ESOL--but the idea of TJ was that they learn quickly and easily.

Um, they pretty much are. You are trolling. Their pass rates are exceptionally high. Pass advanced rates for math and science are almost double or more what you see at other top schools. Not good enough? But as noted, to understand why pass advanced scores aren't higher comes down to who is actually taking the tests. Many aren't.

You have to get to the details I think.

TJ 9th graders scored a lower pass advanced rate in geometry than nearly every middle school in the county. These would be the 30% of kids that came in with only Algebra.

I guess I’m more surprised that by the end of the freshman year at the one of the best STEM schools in the country, they couldn’t muster better scores than any number of other 8th grade cohorts.

The math department at TJ is notorious. This seems to reflect that.

The math department doesn’t create or grade SOLs. And their previous SOL rates were much much better.

It really doesn’t make sense for this freshman class to score so poorly on the geometry SOL. Previous years Alg II pass advanced rates were nearly double this freshman classes geo scores.

Look back through the thread. I think it's selection effects. Not everyone taking the test and the ones who are may not be the strongest.

That’s not correct. Nearly every geometry student took the geometry SOL. 120 of them.

I imagine most if not all geometry students at TJ are freshman. This would be why they took the SOL. Students need to take 1 math SOL in high school. It’s not a surprise they didn’t score pass advance. See my other post about honors kids blowing off SOLs. A pass vs a pass advanced on an SOL means nothing in high school, especially at TJ.

Again, nearly every middle school performed better including the non-AAP middle schools. They also had no reason to try hard and could have blown it off.

You seem overly concerned with TJ’s scores. I’m guessing and don’t really care, but I’ve taught both high school and middle school math. In general, middle schoolers take SOL much more seriously and middle school is more like elementary, where they talk them up and act like they are very important. High school teachers don’t do this, especially in honors courses. Passing or pass advancing a mostly multiple choice basic test does not prepare anyone for the next level course. In high school we are more focused on teaching content. SOLs are an afterthought and something that has to be done to check a participation box.

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Anonymous wrote:I think TJ students should be passing at 100%. I don't understand why they are not. Maybe, a few on English because of ESOL--but the idea of TJ was that they learn quickly and easily.

Um, they pretty much are. You are trolling. Their pass rates are exceptionally high. Pass advanced rates for math and science are almost double or more what you see at other top schools. Not good enough? But as noted, to understand why pass advanced scores aren't higher comes down to who is actually taking the tests. Many aren't.

You have to get to the details I think.

TJ 9th graders scored a lower pass advanced rate in geometry than nearly every middle school in the county. These would be the 30% of kids that came in with only Algebra.

I guess I’m more surprised that by the end of the freshman year at the one of the best STEM schools in the country, they couldn’t muster better scores than any number of other 8th grade cohorts.

The math department at TJ is notorious. This seems to reflect that.

The math department doesn’t create or grade SOLs. And their previous SOL rates were much much better.

It really doesn’t make sense for this freshman class to score so poorly on the geometry SOL. Previous years Alg II pass advanced rates were nearly double this freshman classes geo scores.

Look back through the thread. I think it's selection effects. Not everyone taking the test and the ones who are may not be the strongest.

That’s not correct. Nearly every geometry student took the geometry SOL. 120 of them.

I imagine most if not all geometry students at TJ are freshman. This would be why they took the SOL. Students need to take 1 math SOL in high school. It’s not a surprise they didn’t score pass advance. See my other post about honors kids blowing off SOLs. A pass vs a pass advanced on an SOL means nothing in high school, especially at TJ.

From TJ's SOL data, in 2022-23, there were 22 9th graders and 98 10th graders who took the geometry SOL. If nearly all of TJ's geometry students are 9th graders, why would so many being taking the geometry SOL in 10th grade?

TJ students take statistics their first semester, so those who are taking geometry take the first half of geometry the second semester of 9th grade and the second half of geometry the first semester of 10th grade. I don't know if they take the SOL at the end of the first semester, or at the end of the second semester with the rest of the SOLs; the latter could explain the low pass advance rate if they haven't taken the class in a semester.

I'm guessing the 22 9th graders taking geometry are transfers from out of state or private school who are in Algebra 2 or higher and need to take an extra SOL test.

10th graders take Geometry in first semester and Algebra 2 in second semester and take the Geometry SOL. Why wouldn't they take the Algebra 2 SOL, which is the material they are freshest on? 9th graders take statistics in first semester and Algebra 2 in second semester and take the Algebra 2 SOL. Why do 9th graders taking Algebra 2 take one SOL and 10th graders taking Algebra 2 take a different SOL?

The tenth graders take both the geometry and algebra 2 sols.

Where do you see that? The state SOL data for 10th grade TJ students only shows them taking the Geometry SOL; there are no 10th graders listed as having taken the Algebra 2 SOL. The only TJ students listed as taking the Algebra 2 SOL are 9th graders.