New VA trans policies for schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/18/virginia-transgender-student-model-policies-youngkin/

Will NOVA school districts follow VDOE's new model policies for trans kids?

Is there a basis to challenge this legally? Will districts challenge it? Will the feds step in?

Discuss.

So anyway…

Some school districts will and some won’t? Yes, I think there is a basis to challenge this and if it moves through the courts transgender rights will prevail. I don’t think the feds will challenge it in support of schools at a district level.

I don’t know what to tell you. Ask yourself if you are going to be effected on a daily basis by trans rights legislation. How will this prevent you from living your most authentic life? Are you “protecting” your children or are you scared of what exactly?

Yes, parents are scared. And I think the pendulum has reached maximum and is swinging back the other way now. Sounds like you'll be on the wrong side of this one.

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Anonymous wrote:I taught middle school 10 years ago and there were queer kids who had to stay closeted at home because their parents tried to “beat the gay” out of them. It was horrifying, and of course I told those kids there was nothing wrong with them, they were perfect just the way they were. I also did not disclose anything about their sexuality to their parents.

I think some of the PPs have no idea what goes on behind closed doors in too many households.

Promoting medication and surgery is the problem. It's a smaller number of teachers, but there are teachers and librarians promoting this and the rest of the staff is complicit.

This is made up. Completely. We do not advise any student, trans or cis, on anything medical or surgical. The fact you even believe this is evidence you don’t have the common sense to be a valid participant in this convo.

But you support that one teacher, you're not in the room with them all the time when they are talking to the kids, but you know what they're saying.

DP
Sorry if I missed it somewhere in the thread, but which “one teacher”? Who is the “one”?

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Anonymous wrote:Are the rules really that bad? Don’t socially transition a child without the parent’s knowledge and permission? Sports that are segregated by sex continue to be segregated by sex rather than gender identity?

If you're a right wing conservative and anti trans then I guess the new rules are perfectly fine.

I'm neither, but women's rights don't get trumped by biological boys who don't want to compete against other biological boys.

This also though prevents bio girls from competing on bio boys teams. Meanwhile they get misgendered on bio girls teams because they have transitioned and look like "boys". Arlington Karens asking why there's a boy on the team LOUDLY. This happens all the time.

Yes. The anti trans people don't want trans kids to be anywhere. They are just supposed to "conform" or disappear I guess.

Or just select a gender appropriate sport where they are good enough to make the team.

What’s a gender appropriate sport? If a person born female is good enough to make the boys team, these rules don’t allow her to be on the team.

Is this true? I honestly don't 'know. When I was in HS in the late 90s we had a girl on our football team. Can girls not try out for boys teams at all?

These new rules no longer allow this. There are many girls on boys teams, as there has been for years. But these rules make girls only play girls sports on girls teams. Wake up people. Don’t you see what’s happening to women? White men in power are telling them where they belong and what they have rights to do?

Generally, girls are on the boys football team because there isn't a girls football team. These rules don't change any of that.

For sports with men's and women's teams, the divide ensures that women can compete. And it also protects girls in locker rooms. You can reject Title IX if you don't like it but this rule protects it.

No, this allows a football/baseball/wrestling/hockey team to say it’s boys only. In some red states this is already happening.

This is very interesting. 25 years ago or so our local HS had a girl kicker on the varsity football team. She was very good at soccer and made the football team. This wouldn’t be allowed now?

PP's claiming that are somehow unaware which sports are girls, which sports are boys, and which sports are coed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This policy says that teachers can’t use nicknames without parent permission. I know this is aimed at trans kids. But wouldn’t that also mean that every time a kid named William asks to be called Will the teachers have get parental approval?

I'd like to see this avenue for legal challenges pursued. The State would have to act with clarification to the policy.
Maybe we'll see a notable increase in the number of kids whose parents give them gender-neutral names in the years ahead. Buy your stock in "Chris" now!

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Anonymous wrote:The emotional blackmail about trans suicides has already started in our local Facebook group.

It’s not emotional blackmail, it’s statistics. I understand they are not comfortable to absorb but that isn’t blackmail. LGBTQ teens commit suicide at rates much, much higher than their cis straight peers . The world is cruel to them.

Threatening self harm when you don't get your way is tactic of manipulation used by abusers. Same thing here.

If a kid threaten self harm they need medical help and support.....SOMETHING ONLY THEIR PARENTS CAN PROVIDE.

Seriously? You think parents of suicidal teens are equipped to provide the medical treatment they need? You do realize parents can't prescribe anti-depressants, unless they're an MD? And parents don't have the training for mental health counseling?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This policy says that teachers can’t use nicknames without parent permission. I know this is aimed at trans kids. But wouldn’t that also mean that every time a kid named William asks to be called Will the teachers have get parental approval?

I'd like to see this avenue for legal challenges pursued. The State would have to act with clarification to the policy.
Maybe we'll see a notable increase in the number of kids whose parents give them gender-neutral names in the years ahead. Buy your stock in "Chris" now!

Why?

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Anonymous wrote:There are so few trans people. I wish we could stop spending so much time talking and fighting about them. Republicans enact restrictive policies and democrats fall all over themselves with speeches, social media posts and virtue signaling. Leave trans people alone to do what works for them and let’s focus on other things relating to education.

What about this is "working for them"?
If trans people were saying "Hey, we're fine, please leave us to figure this out," that would be one thing. That's not happening. People are begging for help. We would not need to "spend so much time talking about them" if Republicans were not attacking them.

And, trans issues are just the pointy end of the spear: attacks on gay kids are already following, and after that it will be cis girls being told they can't wear pants.

Handmaid's Tale begins...

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Anonymous wrote:The emotional blackmail about trans suicides has already started in our local Facebook group.

It’s not emotional blackmail, it’s statistics. I understand they are not comfortable to absorb but that isn’t blackmail. LGBTQ teens commit suicide at rates much, much higher than their cis straight peers . The world is cruel to them.

Threatening self harm when you don't get your way is tactic of manipulation used by abusers. Same thing here.

If a kid threaten self harm they need medical help and support.....SOMETHING ONLY THEIR PARENTS CAN PROVIDE.

Seriously? You think parents of suicidal teens are equipped to provide the medical treatment they need? You do realize parents can't prescribe anti-depressants, unless they're an MD? And parents don't have the training for mental health counseling?

But their chorus teacher does?

What are you trying to advocate for?

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Anonymous wrote:This policy says that teachers can’t use nicknames without parent permission. I know this is aimed at trans kids. But wouldn’t that also mean that every time a kid named William asks to be called Will the teachers have get parental approval?

No, because Will is a commonly used nickname for William.

Now, if your kid has a nickname that is not commonly substituted, you will need parental approval. Thanh goes by Lucy? Better have permission on file before you use her nickname.

School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record. Nothing in this policy shall prevent [School Division] personnel from using a different name for a student when it is necessary for the student’s academic instruction, such as using a name more common in a foreign country while in a foreign-language course.

Hysterical. They actually thought about this specific situation. Hmmm. Wonder what will happen if Charlotte wants to go by Jose in Spanish class.

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Anonymous wrote:Just ignore it. Not like Youngkin has any mandate or actual authority

This is the VDOE, not Youngkin.

Who do you think VDOE reports to? And who appointed the head of VDOE?

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Anonymous wrote:Just ignore it. Not like Youngkin has any mandate or actual authority

This is the VDOE, not Youngkin.

Who do you think VDOE reports to? And who appointed the head of VDOE?

VDOE or Youngkin, they have the mandate and the authority.

You can ignore it, but school districts cannot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/18/virginia-transgender-student-model-policies-youngkin/

Will NOVA school districts follow VDOE's new model policies for trans kids?

Is there a basis to challenge this legally? Will districts challenge it? Will the feds step in?

Discuss.

So anyway…

Some school districts will and some won’t? Yes, I think there is a basis to challenge this and if it moves through the courts transgender rights will prevail. I don’t think the feds will challenge it in support of schools at a district level.

I don’t know what to tell you. Ask yourself if you are going to be effected on a daily basis by trans rights legislation. How will this prevent you from living your most authentic life? Are you “protecting” your children or are you scared of what exactly?

Yes, parents are scared. And I think the pendulum has reached maximum and is swinging back the other way now. Sounds like you'll be on the wrong side of this one.

Scared of what?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are the rules really that bad? Don’t socially transition a child without the parent’s knowledge and permission? Sports that are segregated by sex continue to be segregated by sex rather than gender identity?

If you're a right wing conservative and anti trans then I guess the new rules are perfectly fine.

I'm neither, but women's rights don't get trumped by biological boys who don't want to compete against other biological boys.

This also though prevents bio girls from competing on bio boys teams. Meanwhile they get misgendered on bio girls teams because they have transitioned and look like "boys". Arlington Karens asking why there's a boy on the team LOUDLY. This happens all the time.

Yes. The anti trans people don't want trans kids to be anywhere. They are just supposed to "conform" or disappear I guess.

Or just select a gender appropriate sport where they are good enough to make the team.

What’s a gender appropriate sport? If a person born female is good enough to make the boys team, these rules don’t allow her to be on the team.

Is this true? I honestly don't 'know. When I was in HS in the late 90s we had a girl on our football team. Can girls not try out for boys teams at all?

These new rules no longer allow this. There are many girls on boys teams, as there has been for years. But these rules make girls only play girls sports on girls teams. Wake up people. Don’t you see what’s happening to women? White men in power are telling them where they belong and what they have rights to do?

This! LGBQT+++ is just the low-hanging fruit distracting from the next steps. The Christian right that is pushing the hardest on these things is a very patriarchal society. Women will be put back in their place by the end of it all, if people keep their eyes fixed on the current step in the ladder and don't start looking up at the next rung.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the rules really that bad? Don’t socially transition a child without the parent’s knowledge and permission? Sports that are segregated by sex continue to be segregated by sex rather than gender identity?

If you're a right wing conservative and anti trans then I guess the new rules are perfectly fine.

I'm neither, but women's rights don't get trumped by biological boys who don't want to compete against other biological boys.

This also though prevents bio girls from competing on bio boys teams. Meanwhile they get misgendered on bio girls teams because they have transitioned and look like "boys". Arlington Karens asking why there's a boy on the team LOUDLY. This happens all the time.

Yes. The anti trans people don't want trans kids to be anywhere. They are just supposed to "conform" or disappear I guess.

Or just select a gender appropriate sport where they are good enough to make the team.

What’s a gender appropriate sport? If a person born female is good enough to make the boys team, these rules don’t allow her to be on the team.

Is this true? I honestly don't 'know. When I was in HS in the late 90s we had a girl on our football team. Can girls not try out for boys teams at all?

These new rules no longer allow this. There are many girls on boys teams, as there has been for years. But these rules make girls only play girls sports on girls teams. Wake up people. Don’t you see what’s happening to women? White men in power are telling them where they belong and what they have rights to do?

This! LGBQT+++ is just the low-hanging fruit distracting from the next steps. The Christian right that is pushing the hardest on these things is a very patriarchal society. Women will be put back in their place by the end of it all, if people keep their eyes fixed on the current step in the ladder and don't start looking up at the next rung.

Nope. This is just about trans, gender expansive, gender fluid, nonbinary. Not LGB.

If you don't know what this is about, you won't know what you're talking about. You'll talk about something else, fight about something else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the rules really that bad? Don’t socially transition a child without the parent’s knowledge and permission? Sports that are segregated by sex continue to be segregated by sex rather than gender identity?

If you're a right wing conservative and anti trans then I guess the new rules are perfectly fine.

I'm neither, but women's rights don't get trumped by biological boys who don't want to compete against other biological boys.

Mom of a straight cis girl here. I don't think she wants to share the girls bathroom with trans boys who everyone considers to be boys. What about her rights?

+1 there are moms here in VA that are listening to their girls at home say they don't want to have to change a pad or tampon with a biological boy in the next stall or have to change clothes with them in the locker room. These girls have rights too.