Unintended Consequences of Covid

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

Fauci said kids could go to school. Blame the people who kept schools closed even when public health officials said they could open.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

Fauci said kids could go to school. Blame the people who kept schools closed even when public health officials said they could open.

Fauci was all over the place and he wasn't thinking about schools like MCPS which has 2500-3000 students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

Fauci said kids could go to school. Blame the people who kept schools closed even when public health officials said they could open.

You can reason with PP. PP is angry that their kid is screwed up and s/he needs to blame others for it. I’m surprised anyone remembers any of this in excruciating details of events. I spent most of my downtime having fun and relaxing during the pandemic, not watching the news 24/7.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

Fauci said kids could go to school. Blame the people who kept schools closed even when public health officials said they could open.

You can not reason with PP. PP is angry that their kid is screwed up and s/he needs to blame others for it. I’m surprised anyone remembers any of this in excruciating details of events. I spent most of my downtime having fun and relaxing during the pandemic, not watching the news 24/7.

Fixed it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

The unmasking came with a promise that as an immune-compromised person, I’d be able to mask in public (which doesn’t work as well, but put that aside for a moment) without people venting their spleen about the pandemic and how it was handled at me on the daily. That also happens, though.

Nobody says this to you “on the daily.” You go out of your way to find it written on the internet.

You are mistaken and I don’t know why you are so convinced you know, except that people like you always think they do.

It’s impossible to have this discussion if people like you make up things that don’t even make sense. In public, random people don’t “vent their spleen” to you daily about masking during Covid. This thread alone demonstrates you are full of condensed milk because evidently it’s an ultra rare mental condition to question the insanity that played out on a grand scale.

The reaction to any questioning of how dumb all this was immediately tells you it was a mistake. Nobody like criticism and there is a very strong effort at every turn to combat any attempt to show how wrong all these Covid policies were.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

Fauci said kids could go to school. Blame the people who kept schools closed even when public health officials said they could open.

You can reason with PP. PP is angry that their kid is screwed up and s/he needs to blame others for it. I’m surprised anyone remembers any of this in excruciating details of events. I spent most of my downtime having fun and relaxing during the pandemic, not watching the news 24/7.

If only we'd turned off the news and relaxed

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Anonymous wrote:There is a well know DC non-profit that I've been volunteering with since the mid 90's. This organization deals with homelessness, didnt shutdown during covi and from March 2020 through October 2021 I went there approximately 2 to 3 times a week. In many emails during this time to the volunteer group, I was routinely recognized as a top volunteer in terms of hours. For a number of reasons I was never vaccinated and when the mandatory vaccination was put into place, I was removed from the opportunity to volunteer, which remains to this day.

Ok. Unfortunately had the whole pandemic and vaccines not been politicized, I think this would have been a better experience for all. I blame Trump and the GOP in Congress for the completely unnecessary politicization of it all.

I blame Biden. Trump was on his way out when we were at the hight of it and he did nothing but blame shift to Trump.

Trump said he wasn't going go mandate the vaccine. Biden took it to another level... fact!

100%. It was always a choice under trump. It was not a choice under Biden for SO many people. Losing jobs over silly vaccine mandates, when the vax did nothing to “stop the spread”. When you chose between your livelihood and getting a vax you didn’t want, THAT IS NOT A CHOICE.

severe winter of death and illness….remember that line of crud? Never panned out.

Someone needs to pay for this.

Honestly, I don’t remember because I was in the first round of vaccinated as a Senate employee. I still don’t understand why folks didn’t want to get vaccinated. But whatever, clearly you’re still triggered by it. SMH. Covid is over. Move on. There is something for everyone to be upset about the pandemic. It was a pandemic and it sucked.

Yeah, shove it all under the rug and pretend it didn't happen. This was a compete injustice, and I, for one, won't let it go. Something like this NEVER should happen again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't know this until the other day as it relates to Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine.

Robert Kennedy is a moron.

That moron was spot on when it came to this video. If you lost a family member like I did when the doctor wouldn't prescribe these drugs, you may think differently.

NP but we lost one who relied solely on these drugs when they caught Omicron

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

Same here, and agree with you 1000%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

Because (a) the people who made the often-disastrous decisions don't want to take responsibility and be held accountable, and (b) a lot of people don't want to admit they were lied to, and that they made a whole bunch of sacrifices for no reason.

When people get conned, they're often too embarrassed to go to the authorities, or even talk about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't really understand what people seek to gain from continuing to harp on this. I'd much rather put time and energy into mental health funding.

Yes, lockdown sucked. Yes, I wanted my kids back in school and I advocated for that. No, I am not going to spend the rest of our lives being upset about decisions that were made during a once in a century pandemic.

If we are lucky, we won't live through anything worse. If we are unlucky, COVID will look like a cakewalk and at least we will understand what a lockdown means.

I want a 911 style commission to learn from mistakes.

Agreed.

Fauci and the rest of our federal public health officials threw out kids and young adults under the bus during Covid. And they will never be held responsible.

See - this is the problem, right here. A commission to learn from mistakes is NOT the same as throwing public health officials under the bus and holding them "responsible"
If you GENUINELY want to learn from mistakes so we can do better in the future, then I'm 100% on board with that.
If you want a kangaroo court to own the libs, then you're an idiot and worse than any well-intentioned, if ultimately wrong, public health official.

+1 I've posted several times in this thread and have a kid whose life was set back in multiple ways during the pandemic. We don't need second guessing or "accountability;" all that does is create more division. We should, however, scrutinize decisions, study the effectiveness of various interventions, study and track outcomes, and figure out how we could have done better.

And, what did you do to help them through it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me the rigid resistance to reflecting on how covid was managed?

It is infuriating. It stems from a refusal to acknowledge that the pandemic itself and measures to manage it had any negative consequences. There is so much more to examine than just schools. However, when it comes to schools, potential harm was completely downplayed in closure discussions, so any acknowledgment whatsoever of widespread struggles looks bad for all of those, including teachers' union officials and school board members, who said that everything would be fine.

2020: We can address problems closures create, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

2023: Be happy you and your family aren't dead. We can't be bothered to help with your problems (or acknowledge them in any way).

The closures came with a promise that we would all come together to compassionately deal with the fallout. That broken promise, not the restrictions or closures themselves, will continue to cause harm unless it is acknowledged and examined.

DP. Well said.

I agree with this, too. We have a right to be asking these questions. I think that kool-aid drinkers on DCUM can't even consider that the religion they ascribed to could have been at all flawed.

All the Monday Morning Quarterbacks seem to forget that this hadn’t happened in 100 years and most of the world was caught flat footed. I think most of the people in charge made rational decisions based on the information at the time. The fact that we had a leader who was incompetent and divisive is a huge part of why it all went so sideways. There was so much yelling and anger that there was no real place for rational people to come together and make rational decisions. I am in favor of understanding what worked and what didn’t and a broad cost benefit analysis. I think the rapid evolution of WFH is a net benefit to the climate and humanity but it is coming at a cost to cities. I do think the experience of digital learning will yield important information about learning and possibly open doors for more equity in education. My teen kids learned how to be alone and quiet. They learned what properly rested feels like. They learned which friends they truly needed and valued and which friends they did not. My daughter developed a new hobby, skill that has changed the trajectory of her future that she might not have found otherwise. They learned about the string making sacrifices for the weak. Did it cost them something, for sure but it isn’t a zero sum game.

The excuse of this being a novel experience and “best information at the time” fell apart after the first six months. That’s being conservative.

Every public policy measure that went along with the pandemic was a total cock up.

This is like failed products. New formula coke. Crystal Pepsi. And hammer pants. Everyone involved or that willingly went along with all this wants it all forgotten because analysis and criticism is hard.

Here, nothing will be learned because the people that were at the center of screwing this all up faced absolutely no consequences for screwing up. That’s exactly the opposite of how you learn.

There was an existing pandemic playbook that had been put together during the Obama administration. It didn't talk about shutting down society and forcing masking.

And yet, for some inexplicable reason, it got thrown out the window in favor of advice coming from China. Let that sink in for a minute- our leaders listened to blather coming from China.